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Bond

Started by asids, December 28, 2017, 01:05:52 AM

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Oh come on that's different to what I suggested. But I like the idea. Prefer my "one bond in the 1950s" thing. You could even have it in black white (what Tarantino wanted). That would hopefully keep it distinct from the film series.

Dr Rock

Quote from: CaledonianGonzo on September 22, 2018, 12:29:56 PM
Whatever the issues with SPECTRE (or his other movies if they haven't clicked for you), none of them are Craig's performance in the role.

There's always been a sizeable number of people who just feel he's not Bond. This will always be the case whoever is playing Bond.

kidsick5000

Quote from: thecuriousorange on September 22, 2018, 01:36:45 PM
Oh come on that's different to what I suggested. But I like the idea. Prefer my "one bond in the 1950s" thing. You could even have it in black white (what Tarantino wanted). That would hopefully keep it distinct from the film series.

It all seems like a no-brainer in this day and age and outwardly, quite manageable.

Not to assume what other people do for work - plenty of industries have the swan syndrome - but I do wonder if Broccoli and Wilson do anything else other than Bond and how much time Bond takes up in their lives?

CaledonianGonzo

Quote from: Dr Rock on September 22, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
There's always been a sizeable number of people who just feel he's not Bond. This will always be the case whoever is playing Bond.

Exactly. So they might as well have someone who can actually act and do the physical stuff.

He moves like James Bond.  If you're watching the rooftop walk in Mexico City and worrying about his ears then I don't know what to tell ya.

Dr Rock

Well we pretty much need a new one anyway now that Craig's run must be coming to an end.

Kelvin

Watched the first 30 or so minutes of Quantum on ITV2 last night. I must admit, the individual shots/direction really are very impressive. I'd love to see a Bond film with that visual style, but an editor that didnt turn every action scene into an unwatchable mess.

The films script is actually better than I remember, too. Clear, consistent tone, without all the shit Moore style quips they'd return to by Spectre. Its all paced a bit sloppily, but it does have a surpringly distinct feel for a Bond film.

So yes, better than I remembered, from what I saw. If anything, my biggest takeaway was frustration that they abandoned this much more serious, grounded tone after Quantum, as you could see how they could have refined the style, if they hadn't decided to water it down, and reintroduce classic elements, with both subsequent films.

Dr Rock

Yes, for all its flaws I think I like QOS most out of all the Craigs, for those reasons.

CaledonianGonzo

I also watched the first hour last night, which was just enough to see up to the end of the opera scene.  Only about 30 seconds of that hotel room fight in Port au Prince made the edit.

Kelvin

Yes, it was really odd. Guy goes through the window, then sudden cut to Bond checking his pulse.

Dr Rock

What time was it shown? Bond films used to be suitable for kids didn't they, possibly instilling a love of the character for life, or at least an interest. I can't see kids liking the gritty gonad-smashing new Bond films very much even if they were allowed to see them edited or uncut. Not being able to take the kids to a Bond film, or allowing them to watch one on a sunday afternoon may come back to bite the franchise.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Dr Rock on September 22, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
There's always been a sizeable number of people who just feel he's not Bond. This will always be the case whoever is playing Bond.


Yes, its the same with Tinky Winky.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Dr Rock on September 24, 2018, 11:14:06 AM
What time was it shown? Bond films used to be suitable for kids didn't they, possibly instilling a love of the character for life, or at least an interest. I can't see kids liking the gritty gonad-smashing new Bond films very much even if they were allowed to see them edited or uncut. Not being able to take the kids to a Bond film, or allowing them to watch one on a sunday afternoon may come back to bite the franchise.


I remember when Casino Royale came out we went to see it and there were parents with 9-10 year old girls there, I can't imagine what they thought they were going to get, perhaps something akin to a Saturday afternoon Roger Moore runabout. Probably some traumatised kids after the gonad torture.

dr beat

The violence in the earlier Bond films has often been a bit weird in that its brutal but also quite cartoonish at times - and then a bit later on there's that head exploding sequence in Licence to Kill.

Thomas

They tested the waters for that in Live and Let Die by inflating a man and having him pop incoherently against a ceiling.

What's the quip for that one again, from Bond to his half-heartedly shocked lady friend? 'Don't mind your inevitable PTSD, dear. I'll get you a balloon on the way home.'

Love it when Moore brutally boots a bloke's car off a clifftop and then ruins it with a generic height-related gag. Could've said anything. 'I think he left the handbrake off', something like that. 'He'll want that suspension looked at.' Instead he says feebly, 'he had no head for heights', which would only make some small amount out of sense if the guy had been decapitated. My suspension one is much better, and I don't even know about cars.

Connery's 'I think he was on the way to a funeral' is good. I like how they subvert Bond's historical penchant for quips in Skyfall, when he pauses to joke about 'deep water' before realising that M is keeling over and dying in front of him.

CaledonianGonzo

License to Kill was a BBFC 15 certificate, and struggled accordingly.

Quote from: dr beat on September 24, 2018, 12:30:26 PM
The violence in the earlier Bond films has often been a bit weird in that its brutal but also quite cartoonish at times - and then a bit later on there's that head exploding sequence in Licence to Kill.

Even that feels slightly cartoon-ish, though.  The head itself looks so fake (Total Recall did the same kind of effect so much better the following year) and if you look closely, it doesn't really pop, as you can clearly see the blood shooting on the glass from from behind the head.  To be honest, the original cut that was on VHS and the early DVD made the scene a little more effective by not seeing the blood.  You saw enough of the head inflating, but not enough to dwell on how ridiculous it looked and then before you knew it, the chamber was covered in gore.  As a kid, Davi's "launder it" line went right over my head (no pun intended), but that's something else that takes the edge off it to an extent.

Ant Farm Keyboard

They also went on a rampage during the Pierce Brosnan years. His less murder-y Bond is The World Is Not Enough, where he just kills 27 people. On his four films, the average is 34, which is much higher than the average for the entire franchise (until QoS or Skyfall), 16.

http://www.007museum.com/kill_in_bondfilm.htm

https://www.theguardian.com/film/datablog/2012/oct/05/james-bond-bodycount-deaths

CaledonianGonzo

From memory, the ending of Tomorrow Never Dies in particular does just degenerate into a big, boring machine gun battle.

bgmnts

Would Bond be Bond if he had a name like Keith or Dave?

Thomas

Well, I think Ian Fleming was going for a deliberately bland, everyman name when he opted for James Bond. Idiot forgot to consider that it would evolve into something wildly popular and profitable, thus coolifying the name. Similar thing happened with The Smiths, and Keith Harris.

machotrouts

There's a parallel universe where BOND... KEITH BOND has made the name "Keith" so synonymous with cool over the past 65 years that people are posting "haha... imagine if he was called some stupid fucking bullshit like 'James Bond' instead of that cool and good name we all know and love, 'Keith Bond'".

Probably a universe for Dave too but I can't confirm that.

bgmnts

Name an uncool James.

Thomas




machotrouts

If Ian Fleming had written Bond as Idris Elba, we'd all be racist against white people now.

BeardFaceMan

Quote from: bgmnts on September 24, 2018, 07:51:16 PM
Would Bond be Bond if he had a name like Keith or Dave?

I love Davey Bond movies.

greenman

Quote from: machotrouts on September 24, 2018, 09:03:49 PM
There's a parallel universe where BOND... KEITH BOND has made the name "Keith" so synonymous with cool over the past 65 years that people are posting "haha... imagine if he was called some stupid fucking bullshit like 'James Bond' instead of that cool and good name we all know and love, 'Keith Bond'".

Probably a universe for Dave too but I can't confirm that.



Roger Lloyd-Pack should have played Felix Lieter. Imagine Roger Moore rolling his eyes after being called Dave for the tenth time.