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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1170 on: August 16, 2018, 10:38:17 PM »
Objectively bad films, I don't care what anyone says.

"Ooohhhh, you can't say that!  There's no such thing as objectivity in the critique of art.  A film by Tommy Wiseau is not objectively inferior to a film by Stanley Kubrick.  It's all entirely subjective.  People who teach film studies are charlatans.  There is no skill or technique that can be taught because subjectivity is everything.  Blah blah blah blah blah."
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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1171 on: August 17, 2018, 09:35:39 PM »
Solaris (1972) and Antichrist (2011):

Happened to watch these in close succession and there were a few similarities. Both about a male psychologist dealing with a mentally unstable female partner in a place where things aren't quite what they seem. Both involve a person's interior world manifesting in exterior reality. Unreal things become real in Solaris, to the point where there's no meaningful difference. In Antichrist it's as if the world was always more akin to how it seems during a bout of depression/anxiety, and mental illness just allows the characters to see it for what it is.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1172 on: August 17, 2018, 09:46:24 PM »
"Ooohhhh, you can't say that!  There's no such thing as objectivity in the critique of art.  A film by Tommy Wiseau is not objectively inferior to a film by Stanley Kubrick.  It's all entirely subjective.  People who teach film studies are charlatans.  There is no skill or technique that can be taught because subjectivity is everything.  Blah blah blah blah blah."

I think the Star Wars prequels are the exceptions that everyone agrees on.

And if they don't, they fucking well should.

Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1173 on: August 17, 2018, 09:49:29 PM »
Yeah, went to see The Nun. It was decent. Although I was sat a bit close so reading it was a chore. Good though.

Probably going to ponce the film I missed tbh. I have a general rule that if the leading stars and director are dead then it's pretty much fine to download it.

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« Reply #1174 on: August 17, 2018, 10:48:26 PM »
I think the Star Wars prequels are the exceptions that everyone agrees on.

And if they don't, they fucking well should.

Well then, if the people whom gave me a hard time, saying that one can't be objectively critical of art, agree that the prequels are objectively bad movies, then their argument instantly loses all credibility.  You can't pick and choose which art can be objectively critiqued.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1175 on: August 17, 2018, 10:55:34 PM »
Just watched Se7en for the first time. Fucking hell, what an ending. What a movie. My stomach was in knots for the last half an hour - Fincher (plus fantastic actors, editor, composer, etc.) know how to create a powerful sense of dread[/superhans]. The Hemingway quotation at the end felt tacked on to please bleak-wary studio execs and reading Wiki, turns out it was! It looked absolutely amazing too.

Continuing the 90s VHS classics theme, saw Good Will Hunting for the first time. I thought it would be a mawkish outdated Oscar-hungry sobfest - in the end I loved the big silly thing. Robin Williams was such a fantastic actor, a fount of subtlety and sadness. Dialogue veered from clichéd nonsense to powerful stuff, especially the monologues. Despite a couple of sore thumbs (Driver and Skarsgard), I loved all the wankers in this movie. You go get her, Will!

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1176 on: August 17, 2018, 11:13:38 PM »
Well then, if the people whom gave me a hard time, saying that one can't be objectively critical of art, agree that the prequels are objectively bad movies, then their argument instantly loses all credibility.  You can't pick and choose which art can be objectively critiqued.

Just checking that wasn't me?  I mean, I don't remember such a discussion, and I think there are lots of films that are objectively bad.  Even proper ones with large budgets (like the prequels)...


Just watched Se7en for the first time. Fucking hell, what an ending. What a movie. My stomach was in knots for the last half an hour - Fincher (plus fantastic actors, editor, composer, etc.) know how to create a powerful sense of dread[/superhans]. The Hemingway quotation at the end felt tacked on to please bleak-wary studio execs and reading Wiki, turns out it was! It looked absolutely amazing too.

How can you not have seen Se7en?!??!?!?!  I hope the answer is because you're very young.  Cos, otherwise...well, I just don't know, I'm that gob smacked.

Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1177 on: August 17, 2018, 11:22:31 PM »
Got on to Ivan's Childhood and whilst its definitely the most conventional Tarkovsky I'v seen its still not your conventional war film(no actual fighting takes place) and indeed is almost as glorious to look at as Andrei Rublev. In a way it stands out even moreso in a more straight forward faster moving work, I would actually say next to Solaris might be the best intro to him.

That kiss scene in the silver birches especially is one of the most beuiftul I'v ever seen...



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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1178 on: August 17, 2018, 11:35:07 PM »
Just checking that wasn't me?  I mean, I don't remember such a discussion, and I think there are lots of films that are objectively bad.  Even proper ones with large budgets (like the prequels)...

Definitely not you, mate.  You're one of the good ones.  I got piled on in that toxic The Last Jedi thread.  I'm still pissed off about it.  You wouldn't believe the number of people who get actively hostile when you dare to suggest that it's possible to be objectively critical of a film, outside of your own subjective thoughts and opinions.

I've been called all sorts; mostly 'elitist' and 'snob', for stating my stance on objectivity vs subjectivity (short version; they are both separate forms of critique but can happily co-exist alongside each other).  Never mind that I explained that's there's plenty of films which I subjectively don't care for but still acknowledge that they're objective good films (and vice versa).  No, I'm just an elitist snob, who's trying to use the word 'objectivity' to validate my own subjective taste in film.  Fuck's sake.

But I'm not bitter.

...Much.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1179 on: August 17, 2018, 11:45:14 PM »
How can you not have seen Se7en?!??!?!?!  I hope the answer is because you're very young.  Cos, otherwise...well, I just don't know, I'm that gob smacked.

I know, I know. Was a tot when it first came out but that's no excuse when everyone and his older brother had seen it when I was growing up. I did know enough about the ending though.

Not seen Shawshank either... :/

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1180 on: August 17, 2018, 11:46:38 PM »
Definitely not you, mate.  You're one of the good ones.  I got piled on in that toxic The Last Jedi thread.  I'm still pissed off about it.  You wouldn't believe the number of people who get actively hostile when you dare to suggest that it's possible to be objectively critical of a film, outside of your own subjective thoughts and opinions.

I've been called all sorts; mostly 'elitist' and 'snob', for stating my stance on objectivity vs subjectivity (short version; they are both separate forms of critique but can happily co-exist alongside each other).  Never mind that I explained that's there's plenty of films which I subjectively don't care for but still acknowledge that they're objective good films (and vice versa).  No, I'm just an elitist snob, who's trying to use the word 'objectivity' to validate my own subjective taste in film.  Fuck's sake.

But I'm not bitter.

...Much.

Well, I ducked out of the Last Jedi thread after stating my opinion that it was shit and just seemed like it was another one of the prequels.

In fact, I can't think of another film made after such a gap in time and by a (mostly) different group of people and such different technology at their fingertips that belonged so much with something of the past (in a bad way, you understand).  Even Blade Runner 2049 is worlds apart from the original.


I know, I know. Was a tot when it first came out but that's no excuse when everyone and his older brother had seen it when I was growing up. I did know enough about the ending though.

Not seen Shawshank either... :/

Fair doos.  Shawshank next then...

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1181 on: August 17, 2018, 11:53:46 PM »
Watched High Plains Drifter.

Was good. A bit weird. There's a rape scene. I just took it as antihero Clint, but wouldn't play today, no no no. Strange to see the Man with no Name give it hard.

Pretty charmingly offbeat though, satisfied the usual Western tropes I like. Ending gave it a bit of a supernatural bent.

I recommend it!

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1182 on: August 17, 2018, 11:59:06 PM »
Watched High Plains Drifter.

Was good. A bit weird. There's a rape scene. I just took it as antihero Clint, but wouldn't play today, no no no. Strange to see the Man with no Name give it hard.

Pretty charmingly offbeat though, satisfied the usual Western tropes I like. Ending gave it a bit of a supernatural bent.

I recommend it!

My favourite of Clint's films outside of Leone.  The devil turns up, renames the town Hell, paints it red, and then proceeds to fuck everyone up.  It really is a western masterpiece.

Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1183 on: August 18, 2018, 12:01:00 AM »
Got on to Ivan's Childhood and whilst its definitely the most conventional Tarkovsky I'v seen its still not your conventional war film(no actual fighting takes place) and indeed is almost as glorious to look at as Andrei Rublev. In a way it stands out even moreso in a more straight forward faster moving work, I would actually say next to Solaris might be the best intro to him.

That kiss scene in the silver birches especially is one of the most beuiftul I'v ever seen...



I don't think there's a Tarkovsky film going where you couldn't just select a frame entirely at random and not be happy to hang it on your wall. Every single one is perfect.

See also: Godard's alphaville.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1184 on: August 18, 2018, 06:39:25 PM »
A wonderful 2013 documentary on the glorious architectural failure that was The Pedway.

https://vimeo.com/80787092

If you like the work of Paul Kelly, The London Nobody Knows etc.

Even if you aren't into brutalist architecture or city planning the 60's footage alone is superb.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1185 on: August 18, 2018, 09:08:09 PM »
I think the Star Wars prequels are the exceptions that everyone agrees on.

And if they don't, they fucking well should.

Where is newbridge.

Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1186 on: August 18, 2018, 11:40:38 PM »
Watched Videodrome this afternoon. Nicely sleazy and weird but a part of me felt like it should have leaned more into the horror or done without it and leaned more into the crime-aspect of snuff videos being broadcast.

Then watched Full Metal Jacket which I think I have seen as a kid, but not with any kind of awareness of Kubrick or 'nam really. A recent, and shamefully late, first watch of Apocalypse Now rendered it one of my all-time favourites, so I was really keen to see Kubrick's take on the conflict. Obviously, it's terrific and the some of the shots are absolutely stunning. Vietnam really is rich territory, thematically and visually for directors. Somehow I find it far more interesting than world war two.

I was surprised to discover it's based on a semi-autobiographical novel which has apparently been out of print forever despite being ecstatically reviewed. There's even a sequel, and would have been a third had the author not died soon after completing the follow-up.

Only saw Space Odyssey for the first time a few weeks ago at the Prince Charles and now I HAVE to see all of Kubrick's films.

Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1187 on: August 19, 2018, 01:55:25 AM »
Videodrome is a fantastic film.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1188 on: August 19, 2018, 01:59:40 AM »
Videodrome is a fantastic film.
It's my favourite Cronenberg I think.

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« Reply #1189 on: August 19, 2018, 02:03:17 AM »
It's my favourite Cronenberg I think.
Torn between that and The Fly, but yes.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1190 on: August 19, 2018, 02:05:09 AM »
Somebody hasn't seen

Peep Show (TV Series) (2 episodes)
- The Lie Chair (1976)
- The Victim (1976)

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1191 on: August 19, 2018, 05:01:14 PM »
Under the Skin

I've half-written a big long effortpost about this, and there' a good chance I won't bother my arse finishing it. So incase I don't, I thought I'd say it was utterly brilliant.

I finally watched it because I saw it crop up in the Top 10 thread on here. I was already curious to see it because I knew it was filmed in Glasgow. I'd almost decided to watch it several times in the last couple of years, but something put me off. I think it was the combination of mixed reviews and the Scottish-cringe part of me that thought it can't actually be worth watching if it was made up here.

Glad I watched it. Good work hivemind.

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« Reply #1192 on: August 19, 2018, 06:00:57 PM »
Under the Skin

I've half-written a big long effortpost about this, and there' a good chance I won't bother my arse finishing it. So incase I don't, I thought I'd say it was utterly brilliant.

I finally watched it because I saw it crop up in the Top 10 thread on here. I was already curious to see it because I knew it was filmed in Glasgow. I'd almost decided to watch it several times in the last couple of years, but something put me off. I think it was the combination of mixed reviews and the Scottish-cringe part of me that thought it can't actually be worth watching if it was made up here.

Glad I watched it. Good work hivemind.

I would say a good case for being the best thing released so far this decade, Glazers previous film Birth is IMHO definitely worth tracking down, its much closer to Under The Skin than it is Sexy Beast.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1193 on: August 19, 2018, 06:07:09 PM »
Borg vs McEnroe
Jesus this was a very po-faced film, wasn't it? Not sure what the point of it being made was at all.

Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1194 on: August 19, 2018, 11:17:13 PM »
Under the Skin

I've half-written a big long effortpost about this, and there' a good chance I won't bother my arse finishing it. So incase I don't, I thought I'd say it was utterly brilliant.

I finally watched it because I saw it crop up in the Top 10 thread on here. I was already curious to see it because I knew it was filmed in Glasgow. I'd almost decided to watch it several times in the last couple of years, but something put me off. I think it was the combination of mixed reviews and the Scottish-cringe part of me that thought it can't actually be worth watching if it was made up here.

Glad I watched it. Good work hivemind.

One of those films that just seems to grow and grow in your mind the further you get from it, too. Definitely due a re-watch soon. Has anyone read the novel?

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« Reply #1195 on: August 19, 2018, 11:30:07 PM »
One of those films that just seems to grow and grow in your mind the further you get from it, too. Definitely due a re-watch soon. Has anyone read the novel?

Yes. It's a very different beast, though almost as good in its own way. Less committed to the phenomenological experience of alienness and more interested in speciesism. It's a brisk read - I definitely preferred it to the rather unwieldy and sometimes unconvincing (IMHO) The Crimson Petal and the White.

A nice spoilery portrait of Isserley (unnamed in Under the Skin) pre- the events of the novel:
https://sci-fi-london.com/sites/default/files/styles/social/public/media/image/2014/ahumanbeing.jpg?itok=aWkRn2pJ

Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1196 on: August 19, 2018, 11:56:50 PM »
Yes. It's a very different beast, though almost as good in its own way. Less committed to the phenomenological experience of alienness and more interested in speciesism. It's a brisk read - I definitely preferred it to the rather unwieldy and sometimes unconvincing (IMHO) The Crimson Petal and the White.

A nice spoilery portrait of Isserley (unnamed in Under the Skin) pre- the events of the novel:
https://sci-fi-london.com/sites/default/files/styles/social/public/media/image/2014/ahumanbeing.jpg?itok=aWkRn2pJ

Excellent, I'll add it to the list. As for that picture - you just made it all so much worse...

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1197 on: August 20, 2018, 03:54:15 PM »
Deepwater Horizon - not bad.  I quite liked that it was a fairly bullshit free, at least as far as "real" disaster films go.  Peter Berg's carved out a bit of a niche for stuff like this now hasn't he.  I did, however, laugh at the bit where John Malkovich is still wandering around with mud over his glasses about half an hour after it all happened.

Death at a Funeral - the original.  I'd only previously seen the remake (which was okay).  And the original (which was the only Frank Oz film I'd never seen) is...okay.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1198 on: August 20, 2018, 04:28:04 PM »
Dazed and Confused

It's almost a series of vignettes, with something resembling a plot tying it together. But with a slow meandering plot and a large number of characters, neither of which is necessarily a bad thing, I think the dialogue needs to be pretty sparkling or the world somehow heightened. There was funny writing, often from the mouths of nerdier trio, but I think it needed either more humour, or more jeopardy/tension. There's barely as much as a argument between two meaningful characters. It dedicates a lot of time to getting the depiction of that time and place just right, but I think I would've preferred that to have faded into the background much earlier as the plot and characters kicked into gear.

I don't know.

Disclaimer: I haven't seen American Graffiti, so maybe I should shut the fuck up.

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Re: What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2018 Edition)
« Reply #1199 on: August 20, 2018, 06:03:01 PM »
Dazed and Confused

It's almost a series of vignettes, with something resembling a plot tying it together. But with a slow meandering plot and a large number of characters, neither of which is necessarily a bad thing, I think the dialogue needs to be pretty sparkling or the world somehow heightened. There was funny writing, often from the mouths of nerdier trio, but I think it needed either more humour, or more jeopardy/tension. There's barely as much as a argument between two meaningful characters. It dedicates a lot of time to getting the depiction of that time and place just right, but I think I would've preferred that to have faded into the background much earlier as the plot and characters kicked into gear.

I don't know.

Disclaimer: I haven't seen American Graffiti, so maybe I should shut the fuck up.

Also sounds like you haven't seen much Linklater - he doesn't really do peril, action or melodrama.  It's very down to earth film-making, where you can always be assured of very strong characters and a vivid (if slighly romanticised) sense of place and time.  The only real exceptions to the Linklater formula are School of Rock and his remake of The Bad News Bears (which I actually think is much better than the original).