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#Oprah2020

Started by Twed, January 08, 2018, 06:18:00 AM

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Squink

Quote from: Twed on January 08, 2018, 01:27:33 PMI even believe that she means well, but her brain is addled by wealth and celebrity and she has no idea what the poor need.

As far as someone working in the upper stratosphere of the celebrity world goes, Oprah's fucking great. Her upbringing was brutal as fuck. Of all the celebrities in that room last night, I think you'd be hard pressed to make a case for her of all people being cut off from reality. She just gave a speech that worked the Recy Taylor story into the #metoo narrative, and did it very eloquently I thought.

ieXush2i

I think doing what she's done after an extremely difficult upbringing (single teenage mother, molestation, abject poverty) while being both African-American and a woman is something to admire.

I'm not saying she's prefect or that she should become a politician, but writing off her achievements is pretty churlish.


Twed

I'm not writing off her achievements. She has achieved a lot of success and it's due to her character and intelligence.

However, it's success in a neoliberal world. She would be great for identity politics stuff, and she would move things towards "access to healthcare" again.

"Access to".

Now spend some time in America, and watch how households (not me) where two 30 year olds are pulling in $160K per a year between them and still drowning under student debt, healthcare costs, old hospital debt, etc. Then imagine the households where two adults are making $10 an hour each. Or imagine a single person who had the temerity to be too sick to work. Then tell me how Oprah—or anybody of her ilk—would be a good political figure. It just delays what America really needs, which is something closer to a full-on revolt. Something that was summarily crushed through corruption, the greed of the older generation who already got their cushy lives and the apathy of a younger generation who should have voted in their own interests when it nearly happened in 2016. Tell me how this doesn't lead to another eight-year cycle of corporate politics hell followed by a reaction that brings us another Trump.

Fuck off with your shiny celebrities.

Danger Man

She endorsed Obama because he was black and he turned out to be an eight year waste of space.

I'm confused now.

Howj Begg


Twed

Let's put this another way: anybody who wants Oprah, The Rock, Tom Hanks, whatever to be president needs to take a 1 hour break from Amazon shopping for cushions that read "100% WOKE" and write a 1000 word essay on why any of these figures should take the place of say, Nina Turner.

ieXush2i

Nah, I think they were just impressed with an awards show speech she did.

Blumf


BlodwynPig

Quote from: Danger Man on January 08, 2018, 02:06:27 PM
She went from having to wear potato sacks for clothes as a child to become the only black female billionaire in world history.

What's not to like?

Sheik, rattle and roll

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Blumf on January 08, 2018, 02:42:10 PM


#Bees2020

I could get behind Demented, Lunatic, Bee-Piper Oprah. That's a megalomaniac worth having.

"Americans today are pleading with President Winfrey to stop the swarms of violent bees being sent out from the Pentagon and stinging the fuck out of them and their children. However, President Winfrey only had this to say...
"


Cerys

[tag]Mad Dog leaves thread, relieved[/tag]

Barry Admin

Brian Stelter from CNN reporting that she's "actively thinking" about running, and has been discussing it for months with two of her close friends.

Howj Begg

Quote from: Barry Admin on January 08, 2018, 03:06:25 PM
Brian Stelter from CNN reporting that she's "actively thinking" about running, and has been discussing it for months with two of her close friends.

Quote from: Howj Begg on January 08, 2018, 01:41:38 PM
Seth "Nostradamus" Meyers

Cold Meat Platter

Quote from: Twed on January 08, 2018, 02:32:49 PM
Let's put this another way: anybody who wants Oprah, The Rock, Tom Hanks, whatever to be president needs to take a 1 hour break from Amazon shopping for cushions that read "100% WOKE" and write a 1000 word essay on why any of these figures should take the place of say, Nina Turner.

I'd need to hear them all sing Nutbush City Limits first.

Alberon

I think we've crossed a line with American democracy as their empire wanes. The days of the politician president is done. The day of the celebrity president is here. And with Trump being so titanically awful the bar for success of President Oprah or President The Rock has been set very low.

Howj Begg

Okay so credit to Twed, seems this is actually a "thing". Even so, I'd be interested to hear what her actual political views are, cos there seems to be nothing out there. She may be worth 2b but she might be one of these? https://patrioticmillionaires.org/about/
I dont know. Obviously it's a terrible idea, in theory, but, again, nothing is predictable in politics right now. If she had some useful backing from the Sanders wing of the party, it could... maybe... ugh.
Winfrey/Warren 2020.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Cold Meat Platter on January 08, 2018, 03:28:15 PM
I'd need to hear them all sing Nutbush City Limits first.

bring back karma

Howj Begg

I'll be your private health insurer.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Howj Begg on January 08, 2018, 08:00:03 PM
I'll be your private health insurer.

[tag]William Bell's comeback single said to 'need work'[/tag]

DrGreggles

Can't say I've seen much of her show, but isn't she just a black female American version of Jeremy Kyle?

Twed

Quote from: Howj Begg on January 08, 2018, 07:51:43 PMIf she had some useful backing from the Sanders wing of the party, it could... maybe... ugh.
She is firmly centrist. She owns 10% of and has made 100s of millions of dollars from Weight Watchers, a company that specifically preys upon and exploits the insecurities of (primarily) women. Doesn't bode well for a healthcare posture, particularly when Oprah can't bring herself to support single payer despite her platform. Oprah is a billionaire, she is removed from society. I believe she thinks she is doing good work, but her activism is of the "every little girl should be able to grow up to be a CEO of a multinational" mindset, which should be a stretch goal met after every kid can expect a decent standard of living and hard-working adults don't have to choose between bankruptcy and college/health care when there are ample resources to prevent this. She is an unwitting enabler of cynical, evil people who want us to believe that socialism is against Western ideals and that giving people a safety net makes us Venezuela.

She is deeply routed in corporate... well, corporate. You can't go grocery shopping in the US without seeing her face plastered on processed food products. Like Trump, her name is a brand. America needs to get rid of lobbyists and corporate influence in politics, not root itself deeper in that mess. How could anybody believe that somebody who uses their platform to try to make Kraft-Heinz look good could ever speak for the people?

Everything about the Democrats that makes you groan and think "you fucking idiots" is embodied by the idea of running a figure like Oprah. This would firmly cement the idea that there is no option for people trapped in wage-slavery and debt. There's no relief, nothing better to look forward to. Always health insurance, always this.

There are so many people qualified to run, people with policies that will help dig us out of this hell. People who have put in work at the grassroots and policy level. But our own media will run hit pieces, spread rumours, make weaselly associations and crush them. They are scared of them.

People seem to want to be serfs. They are actively enabling the PR departments of major political parties, instead of questioning their motives and actions at every step which is the only way we can participate in an actual democracy.

Twed

People have also been sold--by the media--this idea that Trump is a titan be to beaten (and scarily, they're able to get us to accept that he's an incompetent fool dangling by a thread at the same time) and that we shouldn't dare ask for more than resetting back to the state of things during the Obama era. As younger generations get more politically active they're going to have to change their tune or find a way to drown out the voices of tens of millions of activists.

Urinal Cake

When did the narrative change from, 'Hillary was the only person who could lose to Trump' to 'Oprah is the only person that can defeat Trump and change America'?

newbridge

90% sure Oprah wouldn't start a nuclear war, so she's fine with me. Beggars can't be choosers.

Mister Six

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on January 08, 2018, 02:09:49 PM
That the amassing of wealth is deemed the pinnacle of human achievement.

I think the point is that to be president in the US you have to be very, very wealthy. And few very, very wealthy people these days actually have first-hand experience of poverty. So there's some hope that her own life experiences, coupled with her being black and female, might make her open-minded to social change in a way that the 5 billion old-money white GOP candidates aren't.

It's by no means an ideal situation, but she's far from the worst possible candidate - even if, by her own admission, she has no intention of running.

Ferris


phantom_power

Quote from: Urinal Cake on January 09, 2018, 03:00:37 AM
When did the narrative change from, 'Hillary was the only person who could lose to Trump' to 'Oprah is the only person that can defeat Trump and change America'?

Yesterday

Hobo With A Shit Pun

Quote from: Howj Begg on January 08, 2018, 08:00:03 PM
I'll be your private health insurer.

I'll treat your private cancer. Treat it for money.

Danger Man

Quote from: Twed on January 08, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
She owns 10% of and has made 100s of millions of dollars from Weight Watchers, a company that specifically preys upon and exploits the insecurities of (primarily) women.

and Stewart Lee.