Schweinstein 2: Sexual Abuse & Misconduct Allegations In Hollywood. Or Anywhere.

[Dr Rock]

Last one about to reach 100 pages and covered far too many allegations to list.

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,62911.0.html

The current discussion surrounds allegations made about Aziz Ansari

https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

I went on a date with Aziz Ansari. It turned into the worst night of my life

Ansari has just released a statement:

In September of last year, I met a woman at a party. We exchanged numbers. We texted back and forth and eventually went on a date. We went out to dinner, and afterwards we ended up engaging in sexual activity, which by all indications was completely consensual.

The next day, I got a text from her saying that although "it may have seemed okay," upon further reflection, she felt uncomfortable. It was true that everything did seem okay to me, so when I heard that it was not the case for her, I was surprised and concerned. I took her words to heart and responded privately after taking the time to process what she had said.

I continue to support the movement that is happening in our culture. It is necessary and long overdue.

[biggytitbo]

"I continue to support this important movement in our culture because it's the only way to realistically stay in business/remain employable"

[Dr Rock]

We went out to dinner, and afterwards we ended up engaging in sexual activity, which by all indications was completely consensual.

The next day, I got a text from her saying that although "it may have seemed okay," upon further reflection, she felt uncomfortable. It was true that everything did seem okay to me

As I just said in the other thread, her story indicates that she made it clear several times she was withdrawing consent and made it clear she was uncomfortable. Aziz then allegedly responded to this by acting as if he understood and would calm things down, but very quickly gave her more alcohol and carried on trying to pressure her into sex. So his statement would appear to contradict her version of events, and is tantamount to calling her a liar. Discuss.

[checkoutgirl]

Randomly looking at Steven Seagal's Wikipedia page I see he has a string of accusations against him over a few decades. 3 women paid 50k a piece out of court etc.

Hard to blame porn for it when men have been getting their lad out in front of women for centuries. Famous men are probably more likely to do it because they can use their fame to get away with stuff.

Anzari's statement is rubbish. He went way over the top with that girl. When she said next date and he poured a drink and said this can be our next date, that's crossing a line. Sustained sexual pressure on a first date.

[Pdine]

Randomly looking at Steven Seagal's Wikipedia page I see he has a string of accusations against him over a few decades. 3 women paid 50k a piece out of court etc.

Gilbert Gottfried mentioned this on Greg Fitzsimmons' podcast, handling the subject with his usual tact and restraint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23NBUdu26eM

[Dr Rock]

This is the text she sent him:

"Last night might've been fun for you, but it wasn't for me," Grace responded. "You ignored clear non-verbal cues; you kept going with advances." She explains why she is telling him how she felt: "I want to make sure you're aware so maybe the next girl doesn't have to cry on the ride home."

Ansari is later approached by Babe with Grace's account of the encounter, which I assume is very close to what was published, and releases this statement:
https://babe.net/2018/01/15/aziz-ansari-statement-28407

Read Ansari's full statement below, issued a full 31 hours after our original report:

"In September of last year, I met a woman at a party. We exchanged numbers. We texted back and forth and eventually went on a date. We went out to dinner, and afterwards we ended up engaging in sexual activity, which by all indications was completely consensual.

"The next day, I got a text from her saying that although 'it may have seemed okay,' upon further reflection, she felt uncomfortable. It was true that everything did seem okay to me, so when I heard that it was not the case for her, I was surprised and concerned. I took her words to heart and responded privately after taking the time to process what she had said.

"I continue to support the movement that is happening in our culture. It is necessary and long overdue." – Aziz Ansari

So first she didn't say 'it may have seemed okay' she said ''Last night might've been fun for you, but it wasn't for me'' and he doesn't address the rest of either that text, or the detailed account that was presented to him. And has been said, the word 'sorry' is notable by its absence, perhaps because legally that may incriminate him, and if he doesn't get away with this lame response, he may have to contradict her version of events.

[checkoutgirl]

Gilbert Gottfried mentioned this on Greg Fitzsimmons' podcast, handling the subject with his usual tact and restraint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23NBUdu26eM

To be fair, saying you were raped by Steven Seagal is a bit of an odd conversation opener.

[biggytitbo]

@andykhouri 16h16 hours ago
More Conversation with female friends about dating. I said I liked dating, even bad dates, because dating can be a kind of adventure. Worst case, you learn something about yourself.

Female friend said something like, "No, worst case is I'm raped and killed."

That's when I got it.

Jesus.

[ieXush2i]

Do you get it now?

Regarding the Ansari thing and "just saying no": a lot harder to do that with a sexually aggressive man who could potentially beat you or just take what they want despite being told  no, like those teen boys.

[thecuriousorange]

Will we reach a point where a star can admit liability and still have a career after? I know James Franco has his apologists. Is Aziz Ansari scorched earth?

[biggytitbo]

Do you get it now?

No, i get the insanity of a world where you can't have a chat about the vagaries of dating without someone pulling the 'rape and murder' card.


"No a bad experience ends with you raped and murdered!", well durr.

[ieXush2i]

No, i get the insanity of a world where you can't have a chat about the vagaries of dating without someone pulling the 'rape and murder' card.


"No a bad experience ends with you raped and murdered!", well durr.

Ah so the woman should have been all nice and polite and lied about the reality of dating in case it scared a man?

Kathy Griffin met Woody Allen, and what he said was extremely unnerving:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j74_TSnuN9o

[phantom_power]

Will we reach a point where a star can admit liability and still have a career after? I know James Franco has his apologists. Is Aziz Ansari scorched earth?

Unless anything else comes out I am sure he will survive relatively unscathed. It might make his caring, sharing, feminist schtick a bit harder to take, but in an ideal world he would use that forum to address this sort of thing. If nothing else this whole thing should be a learning experience

[kngen]

Randomly looking at Steven Seagal's Wikipedia page I see he has a string of accusations against him over a few decades. 3 women paid 50k a piece out of court etc.

Is Seagal not the prime suspect in the 'Hollywood stars forced to make terrible films in Eastern Europe after being secretly filmed having sex with underage girls and then blackmailed' rumour?

[biggytitbo]

Anyone meeting Kathy Griffin also finds it unnerving, considering she's nuts.

[kngen]

Unless anything else comes out I am sure he will survive relatively unscathed. It might make his caring, sharing, feminist schtick a bit harder to take, but in an ideal world he would use that forum to address this sort of thing. If nothing else this whole thing should be a learning experience

[biggytitbo]

Will we reach a point where a star can admit liability and still have a career after? I know James Franco has his apologists. Is Aziz Ansari scorched earth?

It's a very uncomfortable area if we routinely have incidents that aren't deemed serious enough to be a crime with the police and evidence, but can still ruin careers and ostracize people.

[ieXush2i]

Perhaps Ansari could make this a learning experience by co-writing a sequel to Modern Romance, his bestselling book on dating in the 19th century, with the woman he assaulted.

DO: wait until a future date if you don't feel ready for sex

DON'T: repeatedly ask your partner when they'll be ready for sex before pouring another glass of wine and declaring it your "second date"

[ieXush2i]

It's a very uncomfortable area if we routinely have incidents that aren't deemed serious enough to be a crime with the police and evidence, but can still ruin careers and ostracize people.

Don't people have incidents like this in their everyday lives anyway? You can be ostracized socially by transgressing a boundary that isn't illegal, and you can be fired from jobs for behaviour that is legal also.

[biggytitbo]

Yeah it's not usually global, or consist of a permanent stigma for the rest of time.

[ieXush2i]

I'm sure they can find an amenable country, or just stop doing only famous people things. Get a job as an ambulance dispatcher or something.

[Theremin]

Anyone meeting Kathy Griffin also finds it unnerving, considering she's nuts.

Now, now - I'm sure Kathy Griffin has said some weird stuff over the years - but she's a bastion of sanity, compared to Woody 'Shag Yer Stepkids' Allen.

Awful actions speak louder than really mad words, etc.

[ieXush2i]

Now, now - I'm sure Kathy Griffin has said some weird stuff over the years - but she's a bastion of sanity, compared to Woody 'Shag Yer Stepkids' Allen.

Awful actions speak louder than really mad words, etc.

Exactly. Leaving nude spread-eagled polaroids of your ex-girlfriend's daughter out for said ex to find is pretty crazy-ape nuts, especially as he called Farrow while she was at the apartment, knowing she'd have to cross past the mantelplace where the pics where to answer the phone.

Imagine that. Explicit photos of your ex-girlfriend's daughter, left out to taunt and humiliate her.

[Theremin]

As an aside, with CK and Ansari outed, I'm now 2 for 2 in my local mates' game of 'Hollywood Sex Pest' Bingo.

Unrelated:

I was chatting about all this with another pal of mine (look at me, Johnny two-friends), and we all agreed that Louis CK would definitely attempt a return to the stand-up scene in a few years. There's certainly going to be plenty of bookers who would still scoop him up for gigs.

What we couldn't agree on was whether there would be any justifiable 'artistic value' in him doing so.

You can argue back and forth that all art produced technically has 'value', but I would personally find it hard to justify why someone like CK should ever again be given a platform in culture - when he's already been given so much oppurtunity and success - and there are literally thousands of other comics and artists who haven't wankbeasted anyone.

[Theremin]

Exactly. Leaving nude spread-eagled polaroids of your ex-girlfriend's daughter out for said ex to find is pretty crazy-ape nuts, especially as he called Farrow while she was at the apartment, knowing she'd have to cross past the mantelplace where the pics where to answer the phone.

Imagine that. Explicit photos of your ex-girlfriend's daughter, left out to taunt and humiliate her.

Fucking hell.

[BlodwynPig]

I keep seeing the Anzari name and thinking Hank Azaria.

Anzari is not related to Simpsons then? Who is he?

[Bad Ambassador]

I keep seeing the Anzari name and thinking Hank Azaria.

Anzari is not related to Simpsons then? Who is he?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=aziz+ansari&oq=aziz&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j69i60j0l3.1375j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[kngen]

Anzari is not related to Simpsons then? Who is he?

He is via Simpsons writer Greg Daniels, who co-created Parks And Recreation in which he was a cast member. Have you not seen Parks and Rec? You really should, before any more revelations come out that might completely ruin it.

[Paul Calf]

Yeah, although it's hard to see how anything could make the last series any more than a long, drawn-out yawn tortuously filling in time before concluding in the most inoffensive, banal, audience-frotting denouement imaginable.

It started really well, but suffers from the American problem of needing to draw itself out as long as possible so studio execs can fuck it for money.

[biggytitbo]

Fucking hell.

I don't think anyone, even Allen has ever defended that. It was a shit thing to do, although not illegal, and he didn't quite 'leave them out to be found' either. Considering some of the allegations about what went on in that household it hardly sounds like the most egregious thing that happened, and I'd suggest coaching your small child to say they were abused (which if we are to believe the people who investigated at the time must be the case) is worse.


Either way, it's a long way from 'child rapist', which is what people on twitter now say is definitely true without really knowing anything about it.