Schweinstein 2: Sexual Abuse & Misconduct Allegations In Hollywood. Or Anywhere.

[Sebastian Cobb]

So people who moan about repercussions "going too far", I'd say not far enough.

They should've bought him back to life and killed him again!!

[ieXush2i]

Now you get it

[garbed_attic]

If they went to prison would they then be welcomed upon release for serving a punishment or would they still be pariahs? There are no rules yet, the whole situation is a new mess thats going to take a lot of sorting out.

Well, sex criminals are generally treated as pariahs so I don't see why or how that would be different in the case of any celebrities arrested - though, admittedly, there'll always be dogged fans as we've already seen with Rolf Harris. To be absolutely honest, I'm surprised there hasn't been more arrested thus far as there were over here with Yewtree. But I guess most of the accused over in America are heavily lawyered up and perhaps in state with statutes of limitation.

[garbed_attic]

I think more productive conversations would have emerged had a more careful site than Babe.net reported the Aziz Ansari allegations since the article directed irrelevant attention onto stuff like the food eaten at the restaurant, muddying waters that actually seemed pretty bloody clear. It is good to see Weinstein brought to justice, but I don't think it'll have much effect on the culture at large, sadly, b/c most guys - however terrible - simply won't end up with that level of power and influence to abuse. I suspect that most sexual abuse looks more like the Ansari assault allegations than, say, those against Weinstein and it was really disappointing and frustrating to see so many people wave them away as "not serious", partly due to the rather shoddy reporting.

[up_the_hampipe]

Chris Hardwick reinstated at AMC following some sort of investigation https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/chris-hardwick-will-return-talking-dead-amc-investigation-1129835

Bold move for a major network to not #BelieveWomen in this instance. Let's see how this plays out.

[BeardFaceMan]

Interesting. Not sure how they could do an investigation for something that doesnt involve them, " interviews with numerous individuals" is disconcertingly vague. Surely they should be making the results of this investigation public? If they can prove Dykstra is lying shouldnt something be done about that? She really needs to come out with her proof that she says she has, its starting to look bad for her.

[BlodwynPig]

So, Weinstein is not going to jail now. Baffling.

[chveik]

Fucking hell. Just kill the bastard already

[Twed]

Chris Hardwick reinstated at AMC following some sort of investigation https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/chris-hardwick-will-return-talking-dead-amc-investigation-1129835

Bold move for a major network to not #BelieveWomen in this instance. Let's see how this plays out.

Amazing how quickly wokeness is abandoned when somebody in these wonk's personal circles has acted the bounder.

[Small Man Big Horse]

James Whale interviewed a rape victim and it turns out he's a cunt: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45064393

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

James Whale interviewed a rape victim and it turns out he's a cunt: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45064393

Got to wonder what kind of bubble you're trapped in where you genuinely think you can get away with broadcasting that. Hopefully more people who share the same ugly views as that gammon will out themselves in the frenzy of their own arrogance.

[Hecate]

Just had a look at the talk radio schedule for next week, George "It's OK to shag people while they're sleeping if you've shagged them previously" Galloway is standing in for him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19323783

"not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion".

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Just had a look at the talk radio schedule for next week, George "It's OK to shag people while they're sleeping if you've shagged them previously" Galloway is standing in for him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19323783

Which is about somewhere between 100-250 on the list of reasons why he shouldn't be standing in, but still morbidly hilarious.

[BeardFaceMan]

https://www.thewrap.com/talking-dead-loses-female-executive-producer-chris-hardwick-walking-dead/

This is all very odd. If Dykstra has proof, why isnt she releasing it? If she never intends to release it, why even mention it? If AMC found something strong enough in the investigation to rehire Hardwick, why isnt it being made public, which would help with any kind of backlash and help restore Hardwicks public image?  Why arent they showing it internally to their female employees to stop them when they say they dont want to work with Hardwick? Something to do with Hardwicks very rich and very powerful family getting him his job back or was Dykstra provably lying/exaggerating? Very odd indeed.

[biggytitbo]

This doesn't exactly help your case Asia - https://news.sky.com/story/weinstein-accuser-asia-argento-pays-380k-to-settle-assault-case-11477343

Asia Argento, one of the most prominent activists of the #MeToo movement, has settled a complaint by a young actor who accused her of sexually assaulting him when he was 17, it has been reported.

Maybe she thought #metoo mean 'I too am a sex pest' ?

[Urinal Cake]

The only real difference is the lack of a NDA. Use of position and then an attempt to buy off justice.

It's a pity Bourdain got caught up in all this.

[Small Man Big Horse]

It's obviously a horrible thing for her to have done but jesus, the male reaction to it online is quite possibly even more shitty, with things like "I continue to hold Asia Argento responsible for Anthony Bourdain's suicide" being one of the less harsh things being said about her. :(

[up_the_hampipe]

It's obviously a horrible thing for her to have done

...in some states.

This doesn't exactly help your case Asia

I don't see how it changes anything about what happened to her, she's just not a good person either.

[Small Man Big Horse]

Now Argento has denied the assault allegations and claimed the settlement was Anthony Bourdain's idea. As you might imagine, the internet has not responded well to this.

[BlodwynPig]

Weinstein gets off on a technicality (Defence lawyer - "how can you trust that Paedophile Argento?"), Argento (proven innocent in the dim distant future) is locked up for 16 years.

[Bronzy]

Now Argento has denied the assault allegations and claimed the settlement was Anthony Bourdain's idea. As you might imagine, the internet has not responded well to this.

It was the idea of the guy who recently committed suicide and therefore cannot defend himself?

How convenient.

[biggytitbo]

...in some states.

I don't see how it changes anything about what happened to her, she's just not a good person either.

No but it would seem to undermine her general advocacy on the issue.

[Urinal Cake]

How convenient.

What a clusterfuck.

[dontrunyoullfall]

It was the idea of the guy who recently committed suicide and therefore cannot defend himself?

How convenient.

Has anyone checked his note?

[up_the_hampipe]

Weinstein gets off on a technicality (Defence lawyer - "how can you trust that Paedophile Argento?"), Argento (proven innocent in the dim distant future) is locked up for 16 years.

Black Mirror S05E01

[Bronzy]

Has anyone checked his note?

"By the way, it was my idea to pay off that kid who may or may not have been sexually assaulted by my girlfriend who wasn't my girlfriend at the time of the alleged incident, anyway I'm going to die now keep cooking shit guys bye"

[garbed_attic]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/02/too-soon-rehabilitate-louis-ck-mockery-metoo

The fragility of the movement was demonstrated further by last week's news that one of its most prominent activists, Asia Argento, who accused Harvey Weinstein of rape, covered up an allegation that she had slept with an underage male actor. As a society, we unrealistically expect our victims to be perfect.

Jesus Christ. You can argue the (very important!) point that victims can also be perps (and vice versa) without reframing this as simple purity politics... at the very least Iqbal could respect Bennett's allegations by referring to the incident as sexual assault or statutory rape if not.

(Just to note, the article was written before today's news:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2018/09/asia-argento-says-underage-co-star-who-accused-her-of-assault-sexually-attacked-her.html)

I otherwise very much agree with Iqbal's article, but those lines stuck in the craw particularly as they came directly after the paragraph starting "That this debate is largely being shaped by the entertainment industry seems an additionally bad joke..." I think it would be fair - as with sadly all moral debates in this country - to substitute "entertainment industry" for "journalistic news industry".

[rue the polywhirl]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/02/too-soon-rehabilitate-louis-ck-mockery-metoo

Jesus Christ. You can argue the (very important!) point that victims can also be perps (and vice versa) without reframing this as simple purity politics... at the very least Iqbal could respect Bennett's allegations by referring to the incident as sexual assault or statutory rape if not.

(Just to note, the article was written before today's news:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2018/09/asia-argento-says-underage-co-star-who-accused-her-of-assault-sexually-attacked-her.html)

I otherwise very much agree with Iqbal's article, but those lines stuck in the craw particularly as they came directly after the paragraph starting "That this debate is largely being shaped by the entertainment industry seems an additionally bad joke..." I think it would be fair - as with sadly all moral debates in this country - to substitute "entertainment industry" for "journalistic news industry".

It's fitting that she's called Nosheen because... you know... 'noshing', which she may very well get up to a lot. I also like details of Louis CK's latest sexual assault where he 'arrogantly and unexpectedly forced himself' upon audiences last week. Oh wait, that was him just performing stand up.

[garbed_attic]

I don't think the article should be used to support misogynist attitudes, rue.

[Maurice Yeatman]

Just catching up with Fenella Fielding's obit in The Times: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/obituary-fenella-fielding-qh78rd5rm

Fielding worked in a period when male co-stars had to be managed carefully. Male comedians "got very uncomfortable if they couldn't make you laugh," she recalled. "So I would fake being unable to stop myself laughing, and the relaxation in their eyes was absolutely amazing". Norman Wisdom was not so easily dealt with: "Hand up your skirt first thing in the morning, not a lovely way to start a day's filming."

I guess he and Frankie Howerd had both sides covered.