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Comedy you liked but now think is problematical.

Started by Gulftastic, February 14, 2018, 08:07:20 PM

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Utter Shit

Wilma would have been dirtier though. Sort of like how even though Baby Spice was clearly the best looking of the Spice Girls, my favourite was Ginger because I thought, even as a 12 year old, that I stood a better chance. You've got to play the odds.

Blinder Data

RE: The Office, Tim during his "interrogation" with Gareth over who made the porn photoshop.

G: "I have..."
T: "Special needs?"
G: "No! I am..."
T: "A special needs child?"

Dawn sniggering away in the background. Tim could be a real cunt (I blame Gervais).

Autopsy Turvey


ieXush2i

Quote from: kidsick5000 on February 18, 2018, 06:00:09 AM
Then a huge amount of sitcoms must infuriate you (including the Flintstones)


Barney actually prepares to attempt suicide in the episode where Bamm-Bamm is introduced, after finding out he and Betty won't be allowed to adopt. Seriously!

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: Kane Jones on February 19, 2018, 11:15:18 AM
Cat gets this so wrong. Betty is obviously the better looking of the two (and not ginger).

Is anything sacred?


poodlefaker

Div/divvy is rhyming slang: dividend pool = fool.

I don't know why Rory Bremner stopped doing his Ainsley Harriott.

PlasticTom

When I was a kid, we used to stick our tongues into our lower lips, slap our chins and shout, "Uhhhhh, divvy....!" I'm pretty sure that's how it's meant in The Office.

PlasticTom

Quote from: Blinder Data on February 19, 2018, 11:37:03 AM
RE: The Office, Tim during his "interrogation" with Gareth over who made the porn photoshop.

G: "I have..."
T: "Special needs?"
G: "No! I am..."
T: "A special needs child?"

Dawn sniggering away in the background. Tim could be a real cunt (I blame Gervais).

I work with disabled children and I still find that quite funny.

Thursday

Quote from: thecuriousorange on February 19, 2018, 10:40:06 PM
I don't know why Rory Bremner stopped doing his Ainsley Harriott.

I have to check this sketch actually happened now and then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrGJRCb0d0I

I mean to be honest I am just more shocked that Bremners would do something so gory.

ollyboro

Quote from: Thursday on February 19, 2018, 11:16:17 PM
I have to check this sketch actually happened now and then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrGJRCb0d0I

I mean to be honest I am just more shocked that Bremners would do something so gory.
This is quite interesting. Ainsley Harriott is perfect for an impressionist. He's instantly recognisable and full of individual tics and mannerisms. So should we have a problem with Bremner blacking up? Or the slightly bulging eyes? I say no. It's not like Bremner's doing a generic impression of black blokes. He's doing an impression of a specific famous black guy, who yes, does have slightly bulging eyes. Whether it's a good impression, or not, is a different issue.

lankyguy95

Quote from: PlasticTom on February 19, 2018, 11:02:33 PM
I work with disabled children and I still find that quite funny.

I think there's something about the persistent immaturity of it that tickles, despite its poor nature. It reminds me of kids at my primary school who were obsessed with going up to other kids and asking very quickly "Do-you-lick-a-dick-a-day?", hoping that one of them would be weirded out or confused enough to accidentally say yes.

Tim is clearly a childish prick and a number of the things he does on that show would probably make me despise him in real life. I used to think that was one of the things that set the show apart - that you could be made to empathise with a genuinely flawed character like Tim, in contrast to the superficially flawed 'heroes' of most shows. With Gervais' post-Office career in mind, I'm not sure how much of that was intentional.

Oops! Wrong Planet

Quote from: ollyboro on February 19, 2018, 11:44:48 PM
This is quite interesting. Ainsley Harriott is perfect for an impressionist. He's instantly recognisable and full of individual tics and mannerisms. So should we have a problem with Bremner blacking up? Or the slightly bulging eyes? I say no. It's not like Bremner's doing a generic impression of black blokes. He's doing an impression of a specific famous black guy, who yes, does have slightly bulging eyes. Whether it's a good impression, or not, is a different issue.

It doesn't work for me because I can't imagine Harriott doing something so stupidly irresponsible in real life.

ollyboro

Quote from: Oops! Wrong Planet on February 19, 2018, 11:51:37 PM
It doesn't work for me because I can't imagine Harriott doing something so stupidly irresponsible in real life.
You've clearly never had an all day sesh with him. Fucking pissed nutter.

Dr Rock

Actually,Susie Dent says it comes from a long-disused English medical classification, DI-(v), which stands for Dense Individual (very).

Bronzy

Quote from: Blinder Data on February 19, 2018, 11:37:03 AM
RE: The Office, Tim during his "interrogation" with Gareth over who made the porn photoshop.

G: "I have..."
T: "Special needs?"
G: "No! I am..."
T: "A special needs child?"

Dawn sniggering away in the background. Tim could be a real cunt (I blame Gervais).

I think that's why I never really took to the original version of The Office, I never really empathised with Tim, I just thought he was an unfunny sad arsehole most of the time. I much preferred Jim Halpert in the US version as while he would still prank and mess with Dwight, it was done like you would to a family member, whereas with Tim it was like a shit school bully.

Oops! Wrong Planet

Quote from: ollyboro on February 19, 2018, 11:55:41 PM
You've clearly never had an all day sesh with him. Fucking pissed nutter.

> Obligatory annual reference to him being Graham Fellows' brother-in-law here <

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Thursday on February 19, 2018, 11:16:17 PM
I have to check this sketch actually happened now and then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrGJRCb0d0I

I mean to be honest I am just more shocked that Bremners would do something so gory.

I very nearly fucked that off a few seconds in before it got even weirder. Proper fever dream stuff.

Mark Steels Stockbroker

Dunno if you want to count this, but I'm working through the complete A Very Peculiar Practice discs right now. Although there are some bits that are groundbreaking for the time (having gay characters that aren't complete stereotypes) there are other bits that don't wear so well. We're supposed to find the feminist doctor's feminist ideas completely ludicrous but they don't really sound that way. Also, the topic of sexual harrassment runs through many episodes, and although it's not treated as harmless fun, it doesn't get the same treatment it would now. If for any reason this show was given a repeat broadcast (topicality because of university funding issues?), expect a new generation of snowflakes to be furious.

Actually, there's now a huge potential for a reboot, full of knowing-wink refs to the original. Get the old cast members to make cameo appearances.

smudge1971

I always got the impression that Nurse Rose Marie was tarred in the writing (by Andrew Davies, who has form in portraying women as Madonna or whore) as someone who was a sexual fraud or at the very least wanting her cake and eating it by heavily using her sexuality with men whilst appearing  to be more comfortable with lasses. But how Barbara Flynn plays it, excellently as always, it comes across to me that Rose Marie is the perfect 2018 Guardian feminist icon.

phantom_power

Quote from: ollyboro on February 19, 2018, 11:44:48 PM
This is quite interesting. Ainsley Harriott is perfect for an impressionist. He's instantly recognisable and full of individual tics and mannerisms. So should we have a problem with Bremner blacking up? Or the slightly bulging eyes? I say no. It's not like Bremner's doing a generic impression of black blokes. He's doing an impression of a specific famous black guy, who yes, does have slightly bulging eyes. Whether it's a good impression, or not, is a different issue.

Maybe in the same way that he gets Kate Robbins or Ronnie Ancona or whoever to do women, he should get a black impressionist in to do those parts. Have there been any famous black impressionists? Apart from early Lenny Henry

Danger Man

Quote from: Mark Steels Stockbroker on February 20, 2018, 07:35:55 AM
(having gay characters that aren't complete stereotypes)

I think the Maureen Lipman 'comedy' Agony (1979) holds the title for "First TV show to have gay people behaving normally", though I'm sure somebody on here will correct me if I'm wrong.

ieXush2i

The 1978 BBC Wales comedy TV film Grand Slam is about a load of Welsh blokes going to a Five Nations match in France. One of the main cast is a clearly gay boutique owner, but his sexuality is never mocked or made an issue of - he's treated as a rugby-loving equal by everyone else.

Hobo With A Shit Pun

Quote from: Danger Man on February 20, 2018, 09:09:38 AM
I think the Maureen Lipman 'comedy' Agony (1979) holds the title for "First TV show to have gay people behaving normally", though I'm sure somebody on here will correct me if I'm wrong.

I watched Agony and Agony Again for the first time last year, and can confirm. There's some ultracamp drama between them, but nowt beyond the realms of humans in a sitcom. There's also one excellent bit where Lipman's dreadful husband offers one of the gays a joint and with a knowing "Puff?", and the gay responds with deadpan exasperation "You're not funny, you know. But I will take this. "*yoink*
Normal human faced with annoying microagression. Seems legit.

Around the same time, I rewatched "Dear John" for the first time since I was about seven. While Kirk St Moritz is clearly offensive, he's also clearly meant to be; what particularly pleased me was the parallel characterisation of his real personality/life, which made the whole thing an excellent parody of online pick-up artists 'n' MRA long before the internet opened a conduit between their mother's basements and the world.

Major kudos to Peter Blake for playing two very different sleazy men in the two series.



Brundle-Fly

Soap first aired in 1977 and featured Billy Crystal's sympathetic character, Jodie but as the show was parodying soap operas, the producers may have included a gay character to show how kerrazy these two madcap TV famiies are?

ieXush2i

The Brittas Empire deserves kudos for its portrayal of a same-sex relationship. They argue and bicker like any couple would, especially about keeping their workplace romance a secret from colleagues. They just happen to be of the same sex. That was the early 90s not the 70s though.

Virgo76

Some bits of Blackadder II (esp. the last episode). I still love it though.

Speaking to a Spaniard: No speako dago. I demand to see the British ambassador, understand?

Still, it was a different time, the Tudor era.
To be fair, racism in comedy is specifically attacked later:
"What else have you got in your outstandingly inventive repertoire, I wonder...  Aaah, a brilliant drunk Glaswegian, no doubt.  An hilarious black man: `See you, Jimmy, where am dat watty-melon'.  I can't wait for your side-splitting poof and that funny little croaky one who isn't anyone in particular, but he's such a scream. And most of all, I like the one you do all the time, that fatheaded German chamberpot standing in front of me".

Good but "funny little croaky one?" What's that bit on about?
And why is Hugh Laurie's Mary of Queen of Scots impression dubbed on? Couldn't Laurie do a Scots accent?

EOLAN

Quote from: (Ex poster) on February 20, 2018, 09:22:28 AM
The 1978 BBC Wales comedy TV film Grand Slam is about a load of Welsh blokes going to a Five Nations match in France. One of the main cast is a clearly gay boutique owner, but his sexuality is never mocked or made an issue of - he's treated as a rugby-loving equal by everyone else.

Oh I watched this so much as a young child. VHS copy taped off BBC Wales which we in the South East of Ireland were able to access. Obviously my parents weren't too bothered with me watching all the strip-joint stuff; although my main memory would be of Windsor Davies's strip-tease (and him running up a down moving escalator).

Quote from: Virgo76 on February 20, 2018, 10:10:16 AM
Good but "funny little croaky one?" What's that bit on about?

Just meant to be an example of a generic comedy voice, probably.

Jockice

Quote from: PlasticTom on February 19, 2018, 11:02:33 PM
I work with disabled children and I still find that quite funny.

I was a disabled child and so do I.