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Trump #7 - Kremlin's in the system

Started by Mister Six, February 18, 2018, 08:06:24 PM

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I get the distinct impression that this Trump chap might be poorly suited to the top job across the pond. Some may label this opinion of mine as controversial and contrarian but I feel needs to be put out there so to speak.

biggytitbo

In order to maintain their hoax, the Washington Post edit their story https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-russia-hoax-turns-out-to-be-real/2018/02/16/be3d174a-1346-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html

Original version read -



They clearly realized that the second paragraph doesn't logically follow the first - in maintaining the 'collusion' nonsense (the indictments makes no such charge), so subtly changed it to -



The goalposts have shifted on this story so much, that perhaps even the Washington Post can't keep their story straight - the big scandal was actually meant to be high level collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, not a handful of trolls on social media supporting Trump, Sanders and Jill Stein.

Note how they keep the headline Trumps 'hoax' turns out to be real, except no it doesn't. Trumps 'hoax' was collusion, as per the original quoted tweet, not Russian 'interference', which he has admitted for more than a year now.

Shitty, corrupt journalism to maintain their stupid Russia psyop that now looks as threadbare as Trumps weave in a breeze.

gatchamandave

I agree with Mr Poo but thats because i too am a brainwashed stooge of the BBC.

Pdine

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 18, 2018, 08:35:01 PM
In order to maintain their hoax, the Washington Post edit their story https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-russia-hoax-turns-out-to-be-real/2018/02/16/be3d174a-1346-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html

Original version read -



They clearly realized that the second paragraph doesn't logically follow the first - in maintaining the 'collusion' nonsense (the indictments makes no such charge), so subtly changed it to -

So they chose the wrong wrong tweet to begin with, then corrected it. and?

Barry Admin

Thanks for carrying over and continuing the index, handy.

Edit: also Bannon imploding and "Shithole countries" in six. And Israel.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Pdine on February 18, 2018, 08:39:22 PM
So they chose the wrong wrong tweet to begin with, then corrected it. and?

Because their story says Trumps 'hoax' turns out to be true, then cited the indictments as evidence. Except, as the original version of the article demonstrates, Trump's hoax was collusion between him and Russia, not Russian interference. The indictments make absolutely no claims about collusion. He has never denied Russian interference, in fact he's gone on about it endlessly -





Their story is completely fake, just like the whole Russia shitshow.

biggytitbo

As Jill stein has just put it, the real story about Russia is this -

Quote
Dr. Jill Stein🌻
@DrJillStein
The election interference that actually impacted the 2016 election was DNC & corporate media collusion to elevate Trump & sabotage progressives. This Russia hysteria is designed to cover up DNC corruption, attack political opposition, feed war machine & censor independent voices. https://t.co/WGOeVvN03F

newbridge

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 18, 2018, 08:35:01 PM
The goalposts have shifted on this story so much

Their goalposts have shifted? LOLIARMV! (laughing out loud in a Rupert Murdoch voice)

BlodwynPig


biggytitbo

Quote from: newbridge on February 18, 2018, 08:57:49 PM
Their goalposts have shifted? LOLIARMV! (laughing out loud in a Rupert Murdoch voice)


I thought I had been tediously consistent about this story from day one.

biggytitbo

Quote from: BlodwynPig on February 18, 2018, 09:03:51 PM
Bingo Jill!


Especially the war machine bit. The Russia hoax was all about cowing Trumps silly boasts about better relations with Russia, to ensure their cold war 2 operation against Russia that they had planned to enact under a Clinton presidency could carry on unimpeded.




Urinal Cake

Who will the DNC blame if they lose again in 2020? Maybe the Chinese and Oprah.

biggytitbo

Aliens maybe?

The collusion hoax was always bollocks, as was the idea these small fry social media posts influenced the election. But what is also a hoax is the idea there was ever any intent to try and meddle with the election. As explained here, the social media stuff was just a very common marketing scam to try and rack up ad revenue using fake 'eyeballs' - http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/02/mueller-indictement-the-russian-influence-is-a-commercial-marketing-scheme.html

The indictments are also totally fictitious. There can be no such crime, and none of the people indicted will ever be charged with anything. If what they did was a crime, then any number of bodys - this website even, could be charged for the same thing. The guardian, daily mail, even bbc is widely read in America - that's how the internet works, they would be guilty if this indictment was a real thing. Thw wire fraud part might be fair enough, but thats some minor wire fraud from some scam marketeers, not exactly Watergate.

Pdine

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 18, 2018, 08:50:21 PM
Because their story says Trumps 'hoax' turns out to be true, then cited the indictments as evidence. Except, as the original version of the article demonstrates, Trump's hoax was collusion between him and Russia, not Russian interference.

Trump rubbished the story by saying that the interference could have been anyone. The recent indictments go a long way to supporting the Jan 2017 US Intelligence report on Russian interference

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

...a report that you have been trying to represent as totally mendacious for many months. It seems, from these grand jury indictments, that you may be wrong in that. Do you feel you may have been wrong?

Ferris

Why would anyone pick the stage name "Stormy Daniels"? Sunny Daniels would be much nicer.

biggytitbo

Nope. The report you cite was a handful of people in on the operation making vague, completely unverified claims. The only thing they have ever had is the Steele Sunday Sport dossier, which is bullshit.

Pdine

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on February 18, 2018, 10:02:47 PM
Why would anyone pick the stage name "Stormy Daniels"? Sunny Daniels would be much nicer.

There's a Japanese idiom for orgasm that refers to 'clouds and rain'.

Pdine

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 18, 2018, 10:04:41 PM
Nope. The report you cite was a handful of people in on the operation making vague, completely unverified claims. The only thing they have ever had is the Steele Sunday Sport dossier, which is bullshit.

You have no idea if that is true or not. Why say it?

Ferris

Quote from: Pdine on February 18, 2018, 10:07:51 PM
There's a Japanese idiom for orgasm that refers to 'clouds and rain'.

Is there one for nice sunshine and that?

Skip Bittman

#20
Quote from: biggytitbo on February 18, 2018, 08:35:01 PM
Trumps 'hoax' was collusion, as per the original quoted tweet, not Russian 'interference', which he has admitted for more than a year now.


That's not true, tho. He was denying it a few months ago based on the say-so of Mr. Trustworthy:

Trump said in November of 2017 he is convinced by Russian President Vladimir Putin's denial of election interference. "Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said of Putin, "and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it."

Good luck parsing that to mean the country-ruled-by-a-dictator-with-his-thumbs-in-every-pie interfered but somehow the dictator wasn't involved. Donald Trump has been a lot of things for "more than a year now," coherent on his stance on Russian meddling was not one of them.

newbridge

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 18, 2018, 09:03:56 PM

I thought I had been tediously consistent about this story from day one.

You denied the existence of any sort of Russian criminal activity whatsoever, now that the indictments have started flying it's increasingly refined to "well of course there was but Donald J. Trump wasn't involved"


manticore

Please don't make this all about Biggy again. I know it's convenient for some people to do so, but it destroys the discussion.

I just have to re-post that Jill Stein tweet, because it's so good it almost justifies the existence of Twitter.

QuoteDr. Jill Stein🌻
@DrJillStein
The election interference that actually impacted the 2016 election was DNC & corporate media collusion to elevate Trump & sabotage progressives. This Russia hysteria is designed to cover up DNC corruption, attack political opposition, feed war machine & censor independent voices. https://t.co/WGOeVvN03F

It seems that while the Russians liked Trump they were interested in doing their little bit to stop Clinton and to support people who opposed her. They liked Bernie Sanders:

QuoteA 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.

A 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The Russians "engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump," according to the indictment, which was issued Friday.

"Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on 'politics in the USA' and to 'use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump – we support them),'" the indictment said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

The article says the Russians supported Sanders to damage Clinton, but maybe they would have been happier with Sanders? Not sure.

The tedious irony of a tedious poster tediously calling out others as tedious.

If we ever actually tediously listened to the tedious mob tediously attacking biggy then we'd all be tediously dead by now.

Mister Six

Quote from: Barry Admin on February 18, 2018, 08:43:29 PM
Thanks for carrying over and continuing the index, handy.

Edit: also Bannon imploding and "Shithole countries" in six. And Israel.

Soz, Bazza - too late for me to edit. Can you do the honours?

Glebe

QuoteTrump #7 - Kremlin's in the system

AKA: Kremlins 2: The New Thatch (of fake blonde hair).

Twed

I'm going to draw from the wisdom of people more eloquent and more personally affected by this stuff than me, if that's okay. Please take some time to read this: https://twitter.com/RealDorianDawes/status/965388854281883648

and feel free to read the referenced article from the Tweeter: https://medium.com/@RealDorianDawes/mccarthyism-and-the-resistance-cb192ed6c542

Mobius

Another sane tweet from the most powerful man in the world

"Just watched a very insecure Oprah Winfrey, who at one point I knew very well, interview a panel of people on 60 Minutes. The questions were biased and slanted, the facts incorrect. Hope Oprah runs so she can be exposed and defeated just like all of the others!"




Jack Shaftoe

Doesn't give her a wacky nickname, note. Sees her as a peer, and thus owed a bit of respect, unlike all those political/goverment types?