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ITS WAR!!!

Started by Dr Rock, April 14, 2018, 07:44:40 PM

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biggytitbo

QuoteThomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie
22m22 minutes ago
In briefing to Congress, DNI, SecDef, and SecState provided zero real evidence. Referenced info circulating online. Which means either they chose not to provide proof to Congress or they don't have conclusive proof that Assad carried out gas attack.  Either way, not good.
https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/986968440979247105

mugwump ji sum

An interesting hypothesis for Trump's seemingly ineffective air strikes from this You Tube commentator Ryan Dawson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFb4GZtFdvE

Syria has (surprisingly!) the 5th best anti-air defense in the world.
Israel has for the past year been firing supersonic missiles at Syria with little success.
Cue the propaganda videos of White Helmets hosing down children.
USA, UK and France fired off a load of subsonic missiles, most of which got shot down, just to gauge the positions and effectiveness of the defenses.

Of course I've no idea if this is true or not, but it does give an explanation for why the strikes were (so far) limited.

biggytitbo


biggytitbo

Little bit of deja vu from the guardian here. Nobody learnt anything did they?


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/30/iraq.uk?




Funcrusher

So looking at the Beeb and The Graun earlier on, Syria has completely disappeared from the news, as clearly nothing is happening there of greater significance than the Real Bread Campaign's victory over Pret A Manger. This really is quite scary.

biggytitbo

They have been subtly seeding the narrative to run with 'Russia fix crime scene to remove evidence of Assads definite use of chemical weapons' when they don't find any evidence of chemical weapons.

Jakey Chesterton

Quote from: Funcrusher on April 19, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
Can anyone fill me in on what Graphika is?

Going by the press section on their website, where most of the links relate to Russia, Iran or Syria:

http://www.graphika.com/press/

Its purpose is to help whip up frenzy about current enemies of the state with gaudy SCIENCE!!!! images.

manticore

Quote from: biggytitbo on April 19, 2018, 08:36:13 PM
Little bit of deja vu from the guardian here. Nobody learnt anything did they?

I think I would have broadly supported Tatchell's ideas at the time, because Sadaam's regime was so absolutely horrific and it would have been awful to just let it go on. The example of Syria seems to suggest that it might have gone bad, but at that time Isil and similar groups were not as strong and emboldened as they were after the US/UK invasion of Iraq, which is what really messed things up.

idunnosomename

Quote from: biggytitbo on April 19, 2018, 08:48:47 PM
They have been subtly seeding the narrative to run with 'Russia fix crime scene to remove evidence of Assads definite use of chemical weapons' when they don't find any evidence of chemical weapons.

subtle seeding is also the key to an exceptional loaf according to the real bread campaign

biggytitbo

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-we-told-us-where-in-syria-they-could-not-bomb-11338625

Just a staged panto for the media because the Americans got the bombing munchies -
QuoteRussia has revealed it warned the US about "red lines" it should not cross before it launched airstrikes on Syria.

Foreign minister Sergei Lavrov is reported to have said that officials in Washington were contacted before last weekend's strikes by the US, UK and France.

Mr Lavrov said: "There were military leadership contacts, between generals, between our representatives and the coalition leadership.

"They were informed about where our red lines are, including red lines on the ground, geographically. And the results show that they did not cross these red lines."


Paul Calf

That doesn't look like Russia and the US carving up Europe between them at all. Oh no.

I mean, last time that happened everything was fine wasn't it?

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Paul Calf on April 20, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
That doesn't look like Russia and the US/Post-Brexit UK/France carving up Europe between them at all. Oh no.

I mean, last time that happened everything was fine wasn't it?

RenegadeScrew

Quote from: Paul Calf on April 20, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
That doesn't look like Russia and the US carving up Europe between them at all. Oh no.

I mean, last time that happened everything was fine wasn't it?

It certainly doesn't. It doesn't even look like the Russians will be occupying east Germany for the next 50-odd years.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: idunnosomename on April 20, 2018, 09:59:22 AM
subtle seeding is also the key to an exceptional loaf according to the real bread campaign

D'Oh! I was going to post something similar. Hat tip for being twelve hours faster.

beanheadmcginty


biggytitbo

Excellent article by Patrick Cockburn in the Independent, the only paper in the UK media not totally shaming itself in the last few weeks https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-assad-uk-government-christian-persecution-isis-foreign-office-a8314616.html


Talks about how the US bombed a baby milk factory in Baghdad in 1991 claiming it was a biological weapons factory and how the few journalists on the ground who reported the truth were denounced and smeared as unpatriotic and 'Saddam hussein apologists' by the government and media.




biggytitbo



Nothing morally dubious about deliberately prolonging an unwinnable war at the expense of vast civilian casualties by supporting terrorists and jihadists because you want to topple the democratically elected leader of a sovereign state for geopolitical power, money and oil is there?


manticore

I lay in bed listening to this on the BBC World Service last night (only a few minutes long). It's a little expose of online critics of the US in Syria and especially the White Helmets, for whom it's a straightforward propaganda piece.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csws6g

The 'Sarah Abdallah' person they talk about may well not exist, and God knows who is actually running her account, but there is no justification for promoting the White Helmets as they do.

'Her' twitter account: https://twitter.com/sahouraxo

Crisps?

Quote from: biggytitbo on April 21, 2018, 12:30:24 PM
Excellent article by Patrick Cockburn in the Independent, the only paper in the UK media not totally shaming itself in the last few weeks https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-assad-uk-government-christian-persecution-isis-foreign-office-a8314616.html

Talks about how the US bombed a baby milk factory in Baghdad in 1991 claiming it was a biological weapons factory and how the few journalists on the ground who reported the truth were denounced and smeared as unpatriotic and 'Saddam hussein apologists' by the government and media.

Or how CNN was falsely branded fake news by a dishonest, corrupt US administration.

IIRC the Iraqi version of that event couldn't have been more laughable though. They were the world's most notorious WMD (using) state, "baby milk factory" is only marginally less eye-rolling than "orphaned puppy refuge", and I'm pretty sure their evidence it was a baby milk factory was a sign outside with "Baby Milk Factory" hastily scrawled in English.


ZoyzaSorris

Quote from: manticore on April 24, 2018, 03:32:20 AM
I lay in bed listening to this on the BBC World Service last night (only a few minutes long). It's a little expose of online critics of the US in Syria and especially the White Helmets, for whom it's a straightforward propaganda piece.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csws6g

The 'Sarah Abdallah' person they talk about may well not exist, and God knows who is actually running her account, but there is no justification for promoting the White Helmets as they do.

'Her' twitter account: https://twitter.com/sahouraxo

The promotion of a bunch of genocidal jihadis as human rights heroes continues to amaze and horrify me.

Paul Calf

'Her' Facebook profile's just an extension of the Twitter account. Flickr just a stream of identikit selfies. Instagram profile private.

Fake.

biggytitbo

Quote from: manticore on April 24, 2018, 03:32:20 AM
I lay in bed listening to this on the BBC World Service last night (only a few minutes long). It's a little expose of online critics of the US in Syria and especially the White Helmets, for whom it's a straightforward propaganda piece.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csws6g

The 'Sarah Abdallah' person they talk about may well not exist, and God knows who is actually running her account, but there is no justification for promoting the White Helmets as they do.

'Her' twitter account: https://twitter.com/sahouraxo


I couldnt say 100% she is legit but seems to be. But compare and contrast mainstream media sceptism of her with them unquestioningly promoting the 7 your old tweeting neocon talking points with no scrutiny at all.

Anyone speak German to confirm this? https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804231063812607-chemical-attack-syria-sham/

biggytitbo

Quote from: Paul Calf on April 24, 2018, 07:17:31 AM
'Her' Facebook profile's just an extension of the Twitter account. Flickr just a stream of identikit selfies. Instagram profile private.

Fake.


In what sense is she fake? It could be she obscures her identity to avoid getting killed.

Paul Calf

Then why post a stream of selfies all over Twitter and Flickr?

I don't think it matters that it's a managed account as long as it's serving a useful function, which it seems to be. I mean, she's not saying anything we don't already know but she is saying it, which is important.

ZoyzaSorris

Some Iranian guy (Professor Marandi?) absolutely demolishing John Humphrys on Today about Syria and Hezbollah's portrayal in Western propaganda vs reality a few minutes ago.

idunnosomename

Quote from: ZoyzaSorris on April 24, 2018, 08:27:11 AM
Some Iranian guy (Professor Marandi?) absolutely demolishing John Humphrys on Today about Syria and Hezbollah's portrayal in Western propaganda vs reality a few minutes ago.

Iranian guy DESTROY John Humphrys on his own show

To be fair though John Humphrys talks fucking bollocks to everyone so it's not that hard

Paul Calf


Paul Calf

We're so Priti
Oh so Priti
We're VAACAAANT

marquis_de_sad

QuoteHitchens: Anyone with any doubt is denounced as a wicked apologist for the undoubted monster Assad, and must hang his head in shame.

*hangs head in shame*