ITS WAR!!!

[Funcrusher]

"International order for 4 centuries has been based on non-interference in the internal affairs of others and respect for sovereignty". That's some fucking good drugs he's smoking.

[The Culture Bunker]

Posted it yesterday, I see, so was probably out on an all-day sesh. You'd certainly hope so, at least.

[Jakey Chesterton]

This post of pillockandtwat's from an earlier stage in the propaganda barrage has been proven rather prescient:

Do you think Syria Deeply has some lifespan when the war is over? No, it's there because the war and the money is. It's foundation-led and the foundations are questionable and they have disctinct political goals.

(btw the first foundation they mention under 'foundation support' is this familiar one: http://www.asfarifoundation.org.uk/ )

Well if you try to go to their website now you get redirected to 'newsdeeply' and this pops up:

https://www.newsdeeply.com/syria/background/about-syria-deeply

Thank You, Deeply
Dear Syria Deeply Community,

Syria Deeply was born to fill a gap that had been keeping people in Syria, and their stories, isolated from the rest of the world. Our mission was to highlight Syrian voices and perspectives through independent journalism that made sense of Syria's complex and brutal conflict. For nearly six years, we have kept a close watch on both the humanitarian crisis and the political factors – global and domestic – that were escalating the war.

The lessons learned from Syria's war will define modern conflict and how it is resolved. Conversely, the approaches for peacebuilding that have worked elsewhere will be vital to Syria's future.

With this in mind, we are taking a new approach to delivering on our original mission. Syria Deeply's coverage and editorial team will be folded into a new endeavor: Peacebuilding Deeply.

We are humbled by the engagement and dedication of Syria Deeply's readers and contributors over the years. Because of your support, Syria Deeply evolved from a news site to a platform to exchange ideas and bridge perspectives on vital issues.

Syria Deeply's trove of existing coverage will remain available through an archived version of the site. We also plan to launch special initiatives focused specifically on Syria, from dedicated research projects and reporting tracks to roundtable discussions around the world.

Though we now have a new home, our expertise and passion about Syria will be a constant. We are always willing to share our knowledge, answer questions and help advance the discussion about a country and people incredibly close to our hearts.

Thank you,

Lara Setrakian, CEO and Co-founder, News Deeply
Alessandria Masi, Managing Editor, Syria Deeply

Looking at the archives the last article seems to be from a couple of months ago

If that really was some sort of truth seeking journalistic project, why is it being wound up now? It's not as they've ran out of stuff to report on. Their fucking off during one of the most important parts of the war they were supposed to have been brought into existence to cover makes much more sense in the context of recent funding cuts for the rebels and the rebel-aligned opposition in general. As P&T said, such operations exist as long as they are paid for their part in a war effort.

[biggytitbo]

Incredible headline in the New York Times -





Would almost be a joke if it wasn't so tragically real, the craven empire lickspittles they are.

[Paul Calf]

Khan is likely to ruffle India's feathers which - when you consider the three wars the two nuclear powers have been involved in since independence in 1947 and India's own chauvinist Hindu nationalist Prime Minister - brings the world closer to a potential nuclear exchange.

Don't let an understanding of facts and history get in the way of your fake countercultural posturing though.

[Sony Walkman Prophecies]

I think what he was getting at is that most papers would have been content to put 'Pakistan' than 'Nuclear-Armed Islamic Republic'. It's like if, when Trump got in, the European media accounced it as 'Nuclear-Armed Republic gets Unstable New Leader' rather than as 'Trump as Next American President' which I imagine most sane publications will have lead with.

History has nothing to do with it. It's just about reporting the facts without inserting your political agenda directly into the headline. But then, The New York Times has been operating as little more than a text-heavy tabloid for years now.

[biggytitbo]

Indeed. What really gives it away is the sentence 'fiercely critisiced American counterterrorism policy'  Anyone who has the gall to do that is automatically an extremist, a regime, an enemy to the empire.

[Paul Calf]

If the point is "New York Times == shit newspaper" I don't think anyone would disagree. The point remains though, that Imran Khan's presidency is not likely to be of net benefit to the cause of world peace.

[biggytitbo]

Absolute psychopaths. Imagine actually thinking that was OK to tweet out to the world from an official account.



HAHAH WE KILLED 3 MILLION PEOPLE!!! LOL.

[BlodwynPig]

Absolute psychopaths. Imagine actually thinking that was OK to tweet out to the world from an official account.



HAHAH WE KILLED 3 MILLION PEOPLE!!! LOL.

Their twitter page seems to have 3 or 4 "today we remember" tweets and this

Earlier today, #SecDef Mattis welcomed His Excellency Yusuf bin Alawi, #Oman's Minister Responsible for Foreign Affairs to the #Pentagon with an enhanced honor cordon.

[Alberon]

Absolute psychopaths. Imagine actually thinking that was OK to tweet out to the world from an official account.



HAHAH WE KILLED 3 MILLION PEOPLE!!! LOL.

Fucking hell. Imagine the outrage if North Korea tweeted something like that.

[Jakey Chesterton]

Bellingcat gravy train keeps chugging on:

An actual journalism job, and one that pays pretty decent too! (~$60k)
We're hiring an editor at @bellingcat. Job description and contact details within:

https://mobile.twitter.com/arictoler/status/1022944115305140224

The Goonies have grown up and are now getting $60k salaries to protect the rules based international order from KOMPROMAT DEZINFORMATZIA  by running 'grassroots' 'crowdfunded' blogs based on youtube videos and wikipedia articles, and presenting SCIENCE!!! graphics at the plucky little Atlantic Council.

The fucking jocks authoritarian regimes don't understand who they've been messing with.

From the job ad itself:

https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/events/2018/07/27/bellingcat-hiring-editor/

Skills

...

Arabic, Russian, or Spanish would be an advantage

Ah, yes - the enemy languages. Would just be an advantage - not strictly necessary, of course. The war propaganda you'll be churning out about these places is for an English speaking audience, and Bellingcat already has some leading google-translate experts on staff.

On the other hand:

Skills

...

Fluency in major social media platforms

Experience

...

At least 5 years' experience in a writing and editing role either with a media outlet or with a think tank/NGO

[biggytitbo]

Ha the Goonies is about right. Amazing how 'bellingcat' is routinely used in the msm media and never questioned, whilst people like Robert Fisk or Seymour Hersh are either ignored or smeared as a stooge of Assad/Putin isnt it?

Then you look at bellingcat's twitter and it reads like its written by a 14 year old telling the Ruskies to suck his balls etc.

[Crisps?]

Even for the Great Satan that Tweet is disgustingly blatant, and another reminder that it's the USA, not Nazi Germany, that is by far the true benchmark of evil in world history.

I was interested in what comments it might have had, but couldn't find it scrolling down their Twitter feed (it's from 24 June Edit: 24 June, 2016) and almost thought for a second they'd been shamed into deleting it, but nope, Google has it:

https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense/status/746493325922926593

Fortunately the comments are not the usual droids mindlessly jerking off over the flag.

[biggytitbo]

The press acting all shocked that not only did we send a bunch of British Libyan jihadi mercenaries out to Libya to try and oust Gaddafi, but when Libya collapsed we got the royal navy to bring the back to the uk. Then of course, a few years later one of them murdered 22 people in Manchester.


Why are they so outraged when we've been doing this sort of thing for years? If the msm were doing their jobs then they'd be reporting how were doing the exact same thing right now in Syria with groups like the 'white helmets'.

[biggytitbo]

Article about 'empire socialists' Owen Jones and Paul Mason here https://mronline.org/2018/08/06/social-imperialism-in-the-21st-century/


Maybe a bit harsh on Jones, but nails Mason as the lefty neocon he is, with his unabashed warmongering and the weird hardon for NATO and vast military budgets he has.

[Paul Calf]

So, North Korea kills an imprisons its own citizens because it's an evil oppressive state with the arrogance that comes from the backing of a massive world superpower, but Israel is bravely fighting for its survival against a historical backdrop of destruction and mayhem so its sickening violence and oppression must be tolerated.

Have I got this right, biggy? It's so arbitrary that sometimes I forget the names of the gods and demons in your Manichaeistic theatre of make-believe counterculturalism.

[biggytitbo]

Are you in the right thread? Please explain what you just said relates to the article I posted or anything else for that matter.

[Paul Calf]

We're talking about justifications for violence aren't we? Isn't that what this thread is about? Why is North Korea justified in rattling its sabre against The US, the West, most of Asia and its own people with Chinese backing but Israel is evil for doing the same with US backi...ah.

[biggytitbo]

So it doesn't relate to the article at all, thanks.


Just imagine how belligerent and 'sabre rattling' we'd be if within living memory of our grandparents the UK had been forcibly divided into two and handed to rival superpowers, then within our parents lifetime almost the entire top half of the UK had been bombed into the stoneage and 20% of its population murdered, and ever since then we've lived under the perpetual threat of total annihilation. Imagine how broken and dysfunctional we'd be after that.

[Jakey Chesterton]

Article about 'empire socialists' Owen Jones and Paul Mason here https://mronline.org/2018/08/06/social-imperialism-in-the-21st-century/


Maybe a bit harsh on Jones, but nails Mason as the lefty neocon he is, with his unabashed warmongering and the weird hardon for NATO and vast military budgets he has.

Good article biggy, thanks.

[Paul Calf]

So it doesn't relate to the article at all, thanks.


Just imagine how belligerent and 'sabre rattling' we'd be if within living memory of our grandparents the UK had been forcibly divided into two and handed to rival superpowers, then within our parents lifetime almost the entire top half of the UK had been bombed into the stoneage and 20% of its population murdered, and ever since then we've lived under the perpetual threat of total annihilation. Imagine how broken and dysfunctional we'd be after that.

Of course. I mean, the North Koreans who are being murdered, tortured and imprisoned might disagree strongly that their treatment is justified on the grounds that...er...the Americans bombed them, but don't let logic or compassion intrude upon your Star Wars morality tale.

But the same applies to Israel, right?

[biggytitbo]

North Korea is in such a dire state because of what we did to them. I doubt nuking them or bombing them even further back in time is the solution mate. The solution is to back all the way the determined efforts of South Korea to forge peace and normalise relations then steadily bring the country back into the international community, a process that would be several times easier if the Americans fucked off.


As for Israel, I thought they were meant to be a western style liberal democracy? As far as I can see what they actually are is a military occupation plopped where it isnt welcome as a result of Western Imperialism that can only exist in a permeant state of brutally subjugating another people in their own country, whilst flinging missiles and bombs in all directions to anyone who refuses to bend to their totatliarian will. When was the last time North Korea actually bombed another country Paul? Israel are constantly attacking other countries and thinks it can just pop over to Syria whenever it likes and drop some bombs with impunity, or push their senior ally in Washington into starting another disastrous war on their behalf. Not to mention their love of shooting caged children in the head for throwing a stone at the most heavily armed and well equipped military in the world. Some kind of liberal democracy that is.


Also, why am I even bothering to reply to you?

[ZoyzaSorris]

Good reply again Biggy. Biggy is wrong on Brexit but seems to be ahead of the rest of you goons on everything else. Love you Bigs.

[Paul Calf]

North Korea is in such a dire state because of what we did to them. I doubt nuking them or bombing them even further back in time is the solution mate.

Now, this has started quite badly because no-one has suggested that. But I have hope against hope...

The solution is to back all the way the determined efforts of South Korea to forge peace and normalise relations then steadily bring the country back into the international community, a process that would be several times easier if the Americans fucked off.

Well, yes. But that doesn't really address the initial point does it?

As for Israel, I thought they were meant to be a western style liberal democracy? As far as I can see what they actually are is a military occupation plopped where it isnt welcome as a result of Western Imperialism that can only exist in a permeant state of brutally subjugating another people in their own country, whilst flinging missiles and bombs in all directions to anyone who refuses to bend to their totatliarian will. When was the last time North Korea actually bombed another country Paul? Israel are constantly attacking other countries and thinks it can just pop over to Syria whenever it likes and drop some bombs with impunity, or push their senior ally in Washington into starting another disastrous war on their behalf. Not to mention their love of shooting caged children in the head for throwing a stone at the most heavily armed and well equipped military in the world. Some kind of liberal democracy that is.

But are they excused all this because of their appalling treatment in the 20th Century, like North Korea are? It's all very well to waffle on about how Israel deserve to be criticised because they kill people who aren't the same as them and excuse North Korea because of their ethnically fair trade slaughter policies, but the question that I'm asking is: does the same excuse of pain passed down through the generations excuse their bad behaviour as you seem to think it does South Korean high command?

Also, why am I even bothering to reply to you?

Because it's slightly less damaging to your imagined reputation as an anti-establishment troublemaker to do so than it is for you to ignore honest questions about your apparent double standards?

[ZoyzaSorris]

You seem to be completely confusing explanations with justifications (a common tactic of pro-imperialists, I'd add). Saying that the apocalyptic, borderline genocidal destruction of North Korea by the US helped it slip into isolationist totalitarianism is very different to saying that one approves of that path and its consequences.

[Paul Calf]

You seem to be completely confusing explanations with justifications (a common tactic of pro-imperialists, I'd add). Saying that the apocalyptic, borderline genocidal destruction of North Korea by the US helped it slip into isolationist totalitarianism is very different to saying that one approves of that path and its consequences.

If you think that after reading what I've written, I honestly don't know how I could make it clearer for you.

[biggytitbo]

You seem to be completely confusing explanations with justifications (a common tactic of pro-imperialists, I'd add). Saying that the apocalyptic, borderline genocidal destruction of North Korea by the US helped it slip into isolationist totalitarianism is very different to saying that one approves of that path and its consequences.

Yes, and the question going forward is if and how to deal with this. The one thing we know is destroying the country, engineering a failed state or enacting regime change in some other way almost always goes disastrously wrong and not only makes the current situation worse but breeds even worse problems in the future. It's simply imperialism under a different guise and is responsible for virtually every geopolitical crisis point in the world today.

[Paul Calf]

Phew! That was close!

You almost had to confront the fundamental contradiction that powers your threadshitting engine! Quick save from Zozya and it's back to the platitudes.

[Jakey Chesterton]

threadshitting

Cheek of this. Honestly, fuck up.