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ITS WAR!!!

Started by Dr Rock, April 14, 2018, 07:44:40 PM

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biggytitbo

It's totally normal that amongst a 'six year old girls' first followers are a bunch of msm journalists.

ZoyzaSorris

Heard that fuggentwat Tom Tugendhat on the Radio 4 this morning clamouring for an Iraq-style inquiry into NOT going to war with Syria (overtly, I presume he means, given the vast amount of assistance our government has given to the jihadi 'rebels').

As if we couldnt have gone down the mad topsy turvy rabbithole enough recently when it comes to our establishment turning batshit, having witch-hunting enquiries for wars that didnt happen seems almost beyond parody.


ZoyzaSorris

Anyone want to take any bets on how far into the upcoming campaign to kick the jihadis out of Idlib this season's 'mystery chemical attack definitely done by Assad for no logical reason and with no evidence' will take place? I'm saying middle of next week. Maybe we should set up a CaB competition to win ajoint of meat or a big jar of boiled sweets or something.

Just hope the yanks have the sense to blow up a handful of abandoned buildings again. They seem to be getting more and more demented each time.

biggytitbo

George Monbiot taking great exception to being called 'John Bolton in sandals' for his Mealy mouthed warmongering. His brain has gone as hes now asking why Russia 'bombing Syria' isn't the same as Iraq, an incredible case of both willful ignorance and the kind of whataboutery he's constantly critising others for.

bgmnts

Quote from: biggytitbo on August 29, 2018, 08:47:33 AM
Spooky Mark Urban ramping up the Russian threat again -



You could argue both the NY Times and Russia are ramping up the Russian threat.

NY Times by reporting a mass military mobilisation.

Russia by performing a mass military mobilisation.

biggytitbo

Hardly, the US have 800 military bases around the world, Russia has 9. They spend 10 times more on the military than Russia.


And a mass military mobilisation was the one that destroyed Iraq and killed a million people.

bgmnts

How does that have any relevance...? I was only saying if Russia are actually doing those things, nobody is stirring up a non-existent threat.

biggytitbo

They should just disband their military and lay down, in the face of a massively ramped up threat from the US and NATO. Just like all our enemies, how dare they fight back!




This is brilliant, a perfect example of msm doublethink when it comes to the empire https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1039226235623288841?s=19

bgmnts

Quote from: biggytitbo on September 10, 2018, 08:37:04 PM
They should just disband their military and lay down, in the face of a massively ramped up threat from the US and NATO. Just like all our enemies, how dare they fight back!

So you admit they're fighting then? As long as we agree on that.

Although what do you expect news outlets to say?

biggytitbo

I don't trust the nyt article to be accurate, but even if it was we want a (albeit cold) war with Russia, we're delibertly provoking one, so they should spare us the contrived fearmongering.

biggytitbo


BlodwynPig

Quote from: bgmnts on September 10, 2018, 08:32:57 PM
How does that have any relevance...? I was only saying if Russia are actually doing those things, nobody is stirring up a non-existent threat.

Have you got a bet on this?

BlodwynPig


bgmnts

Quote from: BlodwynPig on September 11, 2018, 07:59:33 AM
Have you got a bet on this?

Yeah I have a bet builder on.

Over 3.5 (billion casualties), America to win from behind, Israel to score first and 8 corners and over.

biggytitbo

The US now have 'information' that Assad is about to launch a chemical weapons attack, looks like we might have to intervene! Source of this information? Same as the WMD in Iraq, the Gadaffi about to massacre his people and Assad used chemical weapons in x,y and z.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: bgmnts on September 11, 2018, 08:16:59 AM
Yeah I have a bet builder on.

Over 3.5 (billion casualties), America to win from behind, Israel to score first and 8 corners and over.

See u on the front line comrade

BlodwynPig

Quote from: biggytitbo on September 11, 2018, 08:21:25 AM
The US now have 'information' that Assad is about to launch a chemical weapons attack, looks like we might have to intervene! Source of this information? Same as the WMD in Iraq, the Gadaffi about to massacre his people and Assad used chemical weapons in x,y and z.

Lets martyr ourselves!

biggytitbo

Amazing to think on the anniversary of 9/11, an event that caused the western world to go trash the middle east in pursuit of destroying Al Qaeda, the media have sneakily rebranded that self same Al Qaeda as 'rebels', and are prepared to go to war to defend them in Syria.



What a crazy world we live in.

biggytitbo

Report by the research branch of the German parliament concludes our last strikes against Syria where illegal under international law and a violation of the UN charter - https://www.justsecurity.org/55852/germanys-research-report-syria-strikes-unlawful-acts-reprisal/


And John Bolton threatening the ICC - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/10/john-bolton-castigate-icc-washington-speech


And we have the gall to talk about the 'rules based international order'.

biggytitbo


BlodwynPig

Just increase it to "Unlimited funds" and do all the wars at once. Then no more wars!

pcsjwgm

Trita Parsi on the latest attack in Ahvaz and the possibility of war with Iran:

QuoteThis pattern of bellicose statements and actions fit well with a memo National Security Advisor John Bolton - who has a history of manipulating intelligence in order to drag the US into war - wrote in August 2017, before he joined the Trump team.

The memo details how the US should coordinate with Israel and Saudi Arabia to build support - domestically and internationally - for a withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and a much more aggressive policy on Iran.

It specifically mentions "providing assistance" to Khuzestan Arabs - the minority group in Iran that the Ahvazi attack perpetrators claim to represent. Bolton also argues that the Trump administration should demand payment from Iran for its non-existing role in the 9/11 September attacks while disingenuously offering Iran dialogue amid a policy of confrontation.

The Trump administration's Iran policy is following the Bolton memo almost point by point. The plea to provide assistance to Khuzestani separatists is particularly damning. This raises legitimate suspicions that if the terror attack has Saudi and UAE fingerprints on it, it may not be so much an attempt by them to drag the US into war as Trump operating in the driver's seat.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/ahvaz-terror-attack-iran-may-drag-us-larger-war-1037509599

Fambo Number Mive

Quote from: biggytitbo on September 10, 2018, 08:11:33 PM
George Monbiot taking great exception to being called 'John Bolton in sandals' for his Mealy mouthed warmongering. His brain has gone as hes now asking why Russia 'bombing Syria' isn't the same as Iraq, an incredible case of both willful ignorance and the kind of whataboutery he's constantly critising others for.

Why isn't Russia bombing Syria the same as the West bombing Iraq? Unless the Russians have a way of avoiding civilian casualties that we don't, I would imagine both actions have caused widespread civilian deaths, destroyed infrastructure and made the situation worse.

I'm also not sure why you put "bombing Syria" in quotation marks, as if it didn't happen.

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/russian-bombing-of-syria

Bombing of civilians should be condemned whatever country does it, surely?

pcsjwgm

I don't get why alleging that the White Helmets have ties to Al-Qaeda or have been complicit in rebel crimes is so horrific a thing to say - that it even constitutes "incitement to murder against humanitarian aid workers" - yet alleging that the Red Crescent is in thrall to the Syrian 'regime' and has been complicit in government war crimes is perfectly fine.
https://twitter.com/annie_sparrow/status/1043171033203859456
https://twitter.com/bobfrombrockley/status/1021413967024074753

Why is one group seemingly above scrutiny while the other is not?

Paul Calf

If you're going to ask leading questions, they shouldn't be rhetorical. In that rhetoric is a space where ugly things grow and multiply.

greenman

Anybody watch ITN just how with the matter of fact what a coup being openly plotted by the US in Venezuela was being discussed with absolutely zero sense of self awareness that there might be anything wrong with it?

BlodwynPig

They're as aware as Paul Calf and Biggytitbo in a custard pie fight.

biggytitbo

Quote from: greenman on September 27, 2018, 06:59:20 PM
Anybody watch ITN just how with the matter of fact what a coup being openly plotted by the US in Venezuela was being discussed with absolutely zero sense of self awareness that there might be anything wrong with it?


A similar thing is happening with Iran, there's been an Iran regime change conference this week with various neocons openly saying they're going to get rid of the current 'regime' there.

biggytitbo

The 'rules based international order' at work here - https://www.yahoo.com/news/belgian-probe-implicates-britain-phone-spying-165331709.html

QuoteA confidential report by Belgian investigators confirms that British intelligence services hacked state-owned Belgian telecom giant Belgacom on behalf of Washington, an official said Thursday

No worry though, we'll find some way of blaming the Russians for it. No doubt some facebook ads made GCHQ do it.


Jakey Chesterton

Was reading this recent article of Mark Ames':

http://exiledonline.com/shamiwitness-when-bellingcat-neocons-collaborated-with-the-most-influential-isis-propagandist-on-twitter/

Which had a link to this 2014 Michael Weiss article accusing Iran and the Syrian government of supporting ISIS:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/23/trust-iran-only-as-far-as-you-can-throw-it/

One of his pieces of 'evidence' for this:

Quote
The Guardian's Middle East correspondent, Martin Chulov, who traveled to Aleppo last month, observed that the now-abandoned ISIS headquarters in that provincial capital, situated inside a former hospital, remained untouched by barrel bombs or Scud missiles whereas, right next door, the headquarters of a more mainstream Islamist rebel brigade, Liwa al-Tawhid, had been powdered.

Michael Weiss believes/is willing to pretend to believe that "barrel bombs or Scud missiles" are accurate enough and the resulting explosions... I dunno... "magic" enough that they can be deliberately and reliably used to reduce a targeted building to powder while - again deliberately - leaving another building "right next door" "untouched". For this, uhhh... epistemic flexibility, lets say, he gets to be senior editor at the Daily Beast; an "investigative reporter" at CNN; book deals; columns; talking head "expert" appearances, etc. . If he was prepared to kick the nuance up a notch and follow Chulov in only strongly contextualy hinting towards the risible shite he simply just says outright, he could be reaching Orwell Prize worthy levels of journalistic craftsmanship.

For the meantime he can rest content on the esteem of that earthlier Olympus - the Atlantic Council's senior resident expert list:

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/experts/list/michael-weiss

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/experts/list/eliot-higgins