The Rise & Fall & Rise & Fall of Reginald Corbyn: The 20th CaB Corbyn thread

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There will be a lot of positioning going on to ensure people like whatshername's husband who produces medicinal cannabis for export can make the most money out of it in the UK market. They need to be ready so they can jump in and grab those contracts from the get go.

It's like the thing of people suddenly buying houses in the late 90s because they could sense what would happen to the prices.

They scare me, people like that.

[Paul Calf]

They're either boring, tight-arsed cunts who've set up text messages to alert them every time their wallets are opened and wouldn't give you the time of day for free or they lucked into buying 'at the right time' and now think they're Gordon fucking Gecko.

[Paul Calf]

If you want to make money, it's easy. Stupidly easy. All you have to do is care about literally no-one or nothing else. Sell all your possessions for as much as you can get, buy some more and do it again. Sell out everyone you've ever known. Go and get a low-status job for an oil or chemical company that gives third-world children cancer or an investment bank that sucks money out of the working classes and presents it on a platter to people who are already obscenely wealthy and work your way up by shitting all over your colleagues. Rip people off with bullshit self-help books and health supplements.

Most people don't like money enough to do this.

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They're either boring, tight-arsed cunts who've set up text messages to alert them every time their wallets are opened and wouldn't give you the time of day for free or they lucked into buying 'at the right time' and now think they're Gordon fucking Gecko.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN GORDON FUCKING GOPHER, MATE.


That's what they get from me as I walk past them on a Monday morning.

[Danger Man]

The quickest way to wealth is to despise wealth

[Paul Calf]

The quickest way to wealth is to despise wealth

I think sir might be placing the cart before the horse.

[Buelligan]

Seneca should have stuck to constipation remedies.

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Seneca should have stuck to constipation remedies.

That would surely be a form of constipation in itself.

[biggytitbo]

True

[Zetetic]

Swansea Tidal Lagoon binned then.



There's a stupid part of me that hoped that the Tories might have been relenting on the austerity guff at this point if only to help scrape the next election.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-44589083

Ministers said the £1.3bn project was not value for money

Yes we have far more important things to throw billions of pounds at, like Brexit and the DUP.

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Tidal Lagoon binned then.

Never rated his hair products anyway.

[George Oscar Bluth II]

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Not sure about this. They're triangulating on Brexit, they happily wave through a lot of the government's law and order stuff too when we know his and Abbott's positions would be different if they were on the backbenches.

Both of which are signs that he's interested in power, rather than purity imo and are not necessarily bad things.

What he won't do is do the awful bullshit a lot of political candidates find themselves doing. He didn't pretend he'd be watching the Royal Wedding, he won't pose with a special front page of the Sun or any shit like that. That's part of the authenticity, he won't lie to us.

[Paul Calf]

Yeah. This sort of thing worries me; politics is the art of the possible and we're going to see a massive backlash if people are primed to expect the impossible.

[Jockice]

Yeah. This sort of thing worries me; politics is the art of the possible and we're going to see a massive backlash if people are primed to expect the impossible.

Yeah, but what about Brexit? He promised to get rid of it by forcing through a parliamentary majority he doesn't have. Blah blah bloody blah.

[pancreas]

He absolutely slaughtered her at PMQs. Labour attacking Tories for their lack of support for (big) business.

[Blinder Data]

Jeremy Corbyn's spokesman says "it's not Brexit as an abstract itself that is putting jobs at risk but the Government's shambolic approach to Brexit"

Getting progressively sick of Corbyn and his advisers' mild enthusiasm for Brexit.

[Danger Man]

PMQs verdict: Corbyn fails to unsettle May

Guardian

[pancreas]

Guardian verdict: Andrew Sparrow fails to understand what he is watching

pancreas

[Kelvin]

Getting progressively sick of Corbyn and his advisers' mild enthusiasm for Brexit.

If we want people to blame the Tories for the Brexit fallout, then at some point Labour need to start pinning the harmful policies on Tories, and not on a concept of Brexit that isn't (widely considered to be) aligned with a single party. The public will not blame the Tories for what happens next if those issues are not established as their fault.

[Zetetic]

After the Fall - Ten Years After the Crash, from the LRB inevitably.

[pancreas]

After the Fall - Ten Years After the Crash, from the LRB inevitably.

Did you find anything it in which you didn't know? I'm not the greatest fan of John Lanchester and it looks like broad-brush drivel.

[Zetetic]

I'm not terribly convinced by some of the political handwaving, but I thought that it was a pretty reasonable run down of the immediate vulnerabilities in banking (etc.) and the lack of any progress on these in the last decade (in favour of arsing about with austerity).

I think you're probably right that there's nothing new to me in there. Maybe the scale of shadow banking, in fairness. (Edit: And there's stuff about the banking system which I might have known, but which I can't bear to keep in my head - I was glad of it as a re-primer on parts of that.)

I'm thinking of sending it to my mother - that's probably the briefest way I can think to describe whether I think it's any use.

[Zetetic]

It's clearly written by someone intent on trying to fix up the current state of affairs (like Piketty, really) rather than overhaul it, which might wind some people up.

[Neville Chamberlain]

Getting progressively sick of Corbyn and his advisers' mild enthusiasm for Brexit.

Me, too. I (and my dad) have long been the "Corbynistas" in my family, but I think we're both getting progressively sick of finding ways to defend Corbyn's approach to all this. I've given up on the "oh he's applying the long game" approach.

This article sums up my misgivings right now.

[pancreas]

Nev, that article is written by an #FBPE cunt and is opinion dressed up as analysis. Look at his twitter.

Labour knows this and Corbyn is in a bind. He knows that his unexpected performance in the 2017 General Election was largely down to voters abandoning Ukip in favour of Labour. While he's paralysed by the fear that they might flip again, he's laying back and allowing the Tories to push ahead with their damaging plans.

This is simply not true. UKIP split 2/3 Tory to 1/3 Labour.

From the FT.

Who benefited from the Ukip collapse

One narrative that emerged as the campaign wore on was the mass migration of 2015 Ukip voters to the Conservatives. A tipping point came in early May when more 2015 Ukip supporters said they intended to vote for Theresa May's party than Paul Nuttall's.

In the final days of the campaign, Labour appeared to be getting a Ukip boost of their own, suggesting the benefits might be spread equally between both parties, but the results suggest the Tories were the clear winners in this regard.

On a seat-by-seat basis, Ukip losses were extremely closely associated with Conservative gains, and the relationship grows even stronger after adjusting for the EU referendum result.

I'm sorry he's not acting your poster-boy for the obviously flawed EU, but Corbyn cannot win when he doesn't have the parliamentary numbers.

Despite that, they have given it their best shot at every turn, amendment by amendment. They won one vote for a vote on the final deal. If you want to turn your ire on someone, turn it on Labour leavers like Flint, Field and Hoey, or any number of Tory scum, including Grieve.

The best hope to kill Brexit, or at least soften it, is to get the Conservatives out of government, and being vague on Labour's Brexit policy, while doing their best to extract concessions from the government while the opposition is strong, is the best strategy.

[Paul Calf]

It's clearly written by someone intent on trying to fix up the current state of affairs (like Piketty, really) rather than overhaul it, which might wind some people up.

It's not even that, is it? Isn't he just looking for a new way to market plutocracy?

[Zetetic]

I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to draw there is.

Arguably trying to just fix wealth taxation is about shoring the status quo up, I can see that - making 'plutocracy' more tolerable by slightly tempering it.

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Me, too. I (and my dad) have long been the "Corbynistas" in my family, but I think we're both getting progressively sick of finding ways to defend Corbyn's approach to all this. I've given up on the "oh he's applying the long game" approach.

This article sums up my misgivings right now.

The thing about Brexit though is that there's nothing to actually respond to yet.  Everything is at a constant standstill of one kind or another.  I think that's the energy that some people have now transferred over to Corbyn, and I'm not entirely sure it's fair.

[Paul Calf]

I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to draw there is.

Arguably trying to just fix wealth taxation is about shoring the status quo up, I can see that.

Ah, apologies. Just re-read the end of the article looking for the relevant passage and realised that I'd conflated it with another long article on a similar subject that I also read yesterday.