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Re: The Predator
« Reply #270 on: September 08, 2018, 08:57:47 PM »
I caved in and read the white ink...  Still not as bad as everything else I've heard.

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« Reply #271 on: September 08, 2018, 09:26:47 PM »
Is autistic magic child a Stephen King trope I was unaware of?

Yes.

The Shining, The Green Mile, The Stand, Dreamcatcher. I'm sure there are other examples. But he does have this trope of handicapped people with magical powers.

Re: The Predator
« Reply #272 on: September 08, 2018, 09:31:27 PM »
Yes.

The Shining, The Green Mile, The Stand, Dreamcatcher. I'm sure there are other examples. But he does have this trope of handicapped people with magical powers.

Are any of them autistic?

Re: The Predator
« Reply #273 on: September 08, 2018, 09:34:52 PM »
Do we need to be that specific? It's still a trope.

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« Reply #274 on: September 08, 2018, 09:54:45 PM »

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #275 on: September 09, 2018, 02:01:34 AM »
A clip of the showdown between the Super-Duper-Uber-Predator and Mini Me.

The way in which the subtitles for the Super-Duper-Uber-Predator are handled is kinda dumb; it reads as though his vision is translating his own words into English.  Also, why do we get a P.O.V. shot for the Super-Dooper-Uber-Pedator, displaying a H.U.D. and thermal vision, when he's not wearing a mask?  That's some pretty darn powerful D.N.A. splicing!

Re: The Predator
« Reply #276 on: September 09, 2018, 04:29:38 AM »
It's no "Eat dog dick of Anubis, you ass wipe!" is it. 

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #277 on: September 09, 2018, 04:53:17 AM »
It's no "Eat dog dick of Anubis, you ass wipe!" is it.

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #278 on: September 11, 2018, 01:12:01 AM »
A clip of the showdown between the Super-Duper-Uber-Predator and Mini Me.

The way in which the subtitles for the Super-Duper-Uber-Predator are handled is kinda dumb; it reads as though his vision is translating his own words into English.  Also, why do we get a P.O.V. shot for the Super-Dooper-Uber-Pedator, displaying a H.U.D. and thermal vision, when he's not wearing a mask?  That's some pretty darn powerful D.N.A. splicing!

Super Predator also seems to be wearing invisible high heels for some reason.

Re: The Predator
« Reply #279 on: September 12, 2018, 06:27:59 PM »
So, is anyone giving this a look tonight?  I might check it out, tomorrow... if I can be arsed.

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #280 on: September 12, 2018, 06:41:23 PM »
I'm busy currently. I might check it out next week, by which time I expect it'll already have been deemed a box office dud.

Re: The Predator
« Reply #281 on: September 13, 2018, 03:11:55 PM »
This was a fucking mess.

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #282 on: September 13, 2018, 06:29:13 PM »
This was a fucking mess.

It really is.
What happened there?  Studio interference. Dead from the start? Should have set it at Christmas?
How is this Shane Black? Did he lose interest halfway in?
There was only one sequence where everything felt coherent (standoff at the ship) otherwise, even basics like geography of a scene, especially action scenes, were confusing.
And crucially, the swearing is all over the place and done with no style.

There are also some callbacks to the original delivered so leaden that the actors delivering may as well do a big secret wink to camera each time.

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #283 on: September 13, 2018, 06:59:35 PM »
What happened there?  Studio interference.

It felt like the kind of film where someone has written a script, the studio takes it off them, hires five people to rewrite it and then gives it to another person to direct. No coherence at all and half the jokes were of the lol mental health is funny! kind.

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #284 on: September 13, 2018, 07:42:59 PM »
I believe someone said here earlier, but enough is enough.
No more Predator. No more Alien. No more Terminator.
The best versions have been done. Time to let them go.


There has been a wealth of incompetent action films in the last few months.
Skyscraper, The Meg, Equalizer 2, Peppermint.
The Predator beats them all to being worst. The Meg could be laughed at. This is just dismal. A real mess...

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #285 on: September 13, 2018, 11:20:09 PM »
There has been a wealth of incompetent action films in the last few months.
Skyscraper, The Meg, Equalizer 2, Peppermint.

I haven't seen the others, but Equalizer 2 was far from incompetent. Distributor-enforced cuts rendered some of the action sequences confusing at times - holes appearing in folks' heads out of nowhere and this sort of thing - but they were extremely well put together beyond that. That sniper business at the end was excellent. Impressed me, anyway.

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« Reply #286 on: September 14, 2018, 06:02:51 AM »
I haven't seen the others, but Equalizer 2 was far from incompetent. Distributor-enforced cuts rendered some of the action sequences confusing at times - holes appearing in folks' heads out of nowhere and this sort of thing - but they were extremely well put together beyond that. That sniper business at the end was excellent. Impressed me, anyway.

Admittedly, the action scenes were well done. Interesting that some of his methods seem to parallel the inventive deaths of 80s slashers.

But compared to the first film, Equalizer 2 (brought to you by Lyft) was very unevenly paced. Long periods of airless scenes waiting for the main plot to kick in...oh no, he's going to get that kid to paint the wall a bit more. Now? He's just been told his only friend has been kille... oh no, he's going to hang out with that old guy a little bit more.

The first film had similar, but it was more cat and mouse. Viewers also got to follow the Russians bloodily tightening the circle around McCall.

Had it not had a star of Denzel's charm and quality, it would have been close to unwatchable. I'd also argue that the casting negated any surprises that would come later. And then there's the heavy-handed 'storm' metaphor.

I would have much rather watched an episodic series of Denzel Washington helping people through extreme violence.

I was more taken with my Equalizer as loose Home Alone sequel. Kevin McCallister, Robert McCall? Both create inventive traps to dispatch the enemy. It's so clear to me now...

Re: The Predator
« Reply #287 on: September 14, 2018, 06:43:25 AM »
Yeah, it felt too much like your average Seagal film to me.  In the first film he was more of a reluctant hero, where as in this he seemed to revel too much in the bloodletting ; I found it a bit tasteless how much he was yucking it up with the bad guy's wife and kids, knowing he was gonna be widdowing her and making her children fatherless by the end of the film.  I thought the climax in the storm was dull as hell, compared to the D.I.Y climax...  That kind of shit never gets old.


Also, did they really have to make Bill Pullman's character such a loser?  He doesn't get much screen time in either film, but he was treated with utter contempt this time around.  He's writting some sort of history book (if I remember correctly), but his own wife has zero interest and says "it's more than her marriage is worth".  We then see them leaving a booksigning, where he says "I only managed to sell two books" and then when the wife is in Brussels trying figure out something (I've honestly blanked this out), she says to her partner (who will absolutely have no part to play in the rest of the film...) "you know, women can cheat, too!" implying she's been going behind her husband's back...  She was clearly more interested in McCall, poping up at his apartment late at night and offering him soup.  I can't say I was shedding any tears when she eventually bought it... Pullman's character doesn't even avenge her death in anyway, with Washington coming to save him, taking him to a safe house and that's the last you ever see of him...

I guess a shot of him successfully plugging his book at the "everything's fine, now" montage at the end was too much of a stretch.

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #288 on: September 14, 2018, 07:36:09 AM »
How about Predator vs Robocop.


Seriously why did you guys bother seeing this Predator film in the cinema?  Can’t you just wait until these things are on ITV or ITV+1?

Re: The Predator
« Reply #289 on: September 14, 2018, 10:05:11 AM »
It really is.
What happened there?  Studio interference. Dead from the start? Should have set it at Christmas?
How is this Shane Black? Did he lose interest halfway in?
There was only one sequence where everything felt coherent (standoff at the ship) otherwise, even basics like geography of a scene, especially action scenes, were confusing.
And crucially, the swearing is all over the place and done with no style.

There are also some callbacks to the original delivered so leaden that the actors delivering may as well do a big secret wink to camera each time.

Dog plops.

I'm yet to see it (going Sunday) but have spoilered myself into oblivion anyway so I know how it pans out.

A friend of a friend of Black on Twitter - hence 100% reliability - has said he's absolutely exhausted after this production and wants to concentrate on smaller independent projects for a while. The original concept he had was ripped to shreds by the studios then after bad reviews from advance screenings he was made to do comprehensive re-writes and additional filming.

By the sounds of it, the finished product reflects this.

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #290 on: September 14, 2018, 11:17:45 AM »
Predictions are that it'll be the lowest-grossing opening weekend for a live-action film in more than 4,000 screens in the US. The current record holder is The Tom Cruise Mummy, which effectively played to empty rooms.

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« Reply #291 on: September 14, 2018, 12:54:42 PM »
How about Predator vs Robocop.


Seriously why did you guys bother seeing this Predator film in the cinema?  Can’t you just wait until these things are on ITV or ITV+1?

I went because my local cinema is only £4 a film and I had some time on my hands.

Re: The Predator
« Reply #292 on: September 14, 2018, 01:24:28 PM »
I agree with everything said thus far. Watchable, and I wouldn’t say I’m surprised per say that it’s bad, but given that, as I said previously, I’m a far bigger fan of Black than the franchise itself, I’m a little surprised by how little actual good I have to say about it. There’s one cool special effects sequence near the end and I guess the human use of Predator technology is kind of neat (can’t remember much of that in the previous films but wouldn’t swear to it). I expect to be in a minority on this but I kind of liked the main actor and character, in that B-Movie hunk kind of way where I can imagine watching him as the lead of a DTV movie or syndicated TV series. That’s really about it. What really surprised me was how similar it felt in style, tone and certainly in the quality of its conceptual ideas to the AvP films.

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #293 on: September 14, 2018, 08:38:56 PM »
Saw it last night. Passable old-fashioned, non-PC laddish action gubbins, I suppose... a bit clumsy and ill-judged, really.

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« Reply #294 on: September 15, 2018, 09:12:08 PM »
How about Predator vs Robocop.


Seriously why did you guys bother seeing this Predator film in the cinema?  Can’t you just wait until these things are on ITV or ITV+1?

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #295 on: September 16, 2018, 11:29:16 AM »
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Oh Cineworld Unlimited films card speeds the film up by 4% does it??

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Re: The Predator
« Reply #296 on: September 16, 2018, 03:42:56 PM »
Saw it last night. Passable old-fashioned, non-PC laddish action gubbins, I suppose... a bit clumsy and ill-judged, really.

I thought it went distractingly out of its way to be very PC, and all the bits that were seemingly un-PC on the surface were very on the nose and annoyingly right on, as if Black's script had been polished by a committee.


Anyway, I thought the first hour or so was okay - silly at times but it solicited some genuine LOLs from me - but that last act...fuuuuck me, it's like they tacked on a completely different film.  Disastrous.  Is that what was re-shot?

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« Reply #297 on: September 16, 2018, 03:46:10 PM »
Is it acceptable to say modern attitudes mean that you'll not get a good daft macho action film, just like you'll not get a really good classic Noir?

That doesn't mean the old ones can't be appreciated without being CANCELLED.

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« Reply #298 on: September 16, 2018, 03:54:40 PM »
I wonder if it's not so much a case that you won't get that kind of film or just you won't get that kind of film as part of a franchise? With The Predator the eye is obviously always on a younger audience and on making sequels.

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« Reply #299 on: September 16, 2018, 03:56:47 PM »
God knows. I think there's an element of nostalgia in the classic ones because they were films borrowed off mates brothers when we were 12. I struggle to belive van damme films were things actual grown adults watched.