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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2018, 09:01:25 PM »
Aquarius Records used to have a fantastic Indian album from the seventies listed, that was basically acid house. It was great. Of course all their reviews have gone now but I'll try and find it.

In addition to the above, of course.

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2018, 09:22:45 PM »
Raymond Scott is the granddaddy of techno-pop. Since the 1940's he was pursuing his dream of making electronic music, creating along the way the first ever sequencer and apprenticing a young Bob Moog. He later worked in the electronic music department of Motown.

Best place to start is the Manhattan Research Inc. boxed set, cataloguing his experiments and music for ads in the 50's & 60's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SW6qVLSVzw

Adding to that his jazz music from the 30's that was such an inspiration to Carl Stalling (composer for the Warner Bros cartoon studio) Raymond Scott is one of the most heard and influential musicians of the 20th Century and yet nobody knows his name.



Hell fuckin' yeah.

Scott's Cindy Electronium (1959) is so techno that Simian Mobile Disco mixed it into their (utterly fantastic and essential) FabricLive mix CD. Even listening to this tune now there's a phantom beat pumping away in my mind. Such a good song, I really love his work.

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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2018, 10:22:20 PM »
It is good, but it always slightly annoys me when people say it was acid house. The thing that acid brought was sweeping the filter of the 303. Whereas this just uses the 303 as intended (as a monosynth with a pattern sequencer).
There's definitely filter resonance tweaking on the background melody lines (which were also played by the 303) here and here (almost all the tracks feature a similar resonance-swept melody line). The biggest difference between what Singh was doing compared to the 303's later use in acid house is that it's not being put through a distortion or overdrive pedal, which exaggerates the effect of turning up the filter resonance

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2018, 12:18:03 AM »

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2018, 12:20:01 AM »
There's definitely filter resonance tweaking on the background melody lines (which were also played by the 303) here and here (almost all the tracks feature a similar resonance-swept melody line). The biggest difference between what Singh was doing compared to the 303's later use in acid house is that it's not being put through a distortion or overdrive pedal, which exaggerates the effect of turning up the filter resonance

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2018, 12:38:25 AM »

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2018, 12:40:06 AM »
There's definitely filter resonance tweaking on the background melody lines (which were also played by the 303) here and here (almost all the tracks feature a similar resonance-swept melody line). The biggest difference between what Singh was doing compared to the 303's later use in acid house is that it's not being put through a distortion or overdrive pedal, which exaggerates the effect of turning up the filter resonance

Although the swept lines in those clips aren't done on the 303.

Regardless, my main point is that now we hear a 303 and we recognise it as 'acid', but in these instances it's only reminding us of what came later, rather than typifying what made acid acid (the 303 as the lead, usually sweeping and tweaking throughout the whole track). And although the 303 didn't sell well, I'm sure there must be a few examples of it on non-acid records from the early 80s.

Re. distortion, though it was used for a harder sound (particularly in later stuff into the 90s, and reinforced by the proliferation of modded machines), I don't think it's fair to suggest that everyone in acid did that, there were plenty of bare-bones acid lines.

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2018, 03:32:47 PM »
The intro to Being Boiled by Human League must fit into this thread.

Re: Proto techno
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2018, 03:50:27 PM »
Rain Dance by Herbie Hancock

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2018, 04:13:08 PM »
Hell fuckin' yeah.

Scott's Cindy Electronium (1959) is so techno that Simian Mobile Disco mixed it into their (utterly fantastic and essential) FabricLive mix CD. Even listening to this tune now there's a phantom beat pumping away in my mind. Such a good song, I really love his work.

This must qualify as the most niche action figure around. Want one.





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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2018, 04:48:23 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2018, 04:50:37 PM »
ah you edited it

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2018, 05:11:50 PM »
ps. this is Pinhas
I bet you say that to all the girls.

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2018, 05:12:58 PM »
The 'Sky Yen' album was recorded by a young Pete 'Buzzcocks' Shelley in 1974 and released as part of the box set 'The Total Groovy' in 2012. Early primitive electronic experimental pieces by the pop punk who later went full-on techno-disco.

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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2018, 05:13:21 PM »
And although the 303 didn't sell well, I'm sure there must be a few examples of it on non-acid records from the early 80s.

Famously on Orange Juice - Rip It Up 1982
https://youtu.be/ESy-Z8vqMrE

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2018, 05:20:51 PM »
This is Pinhas

Don't catch you slippin' up
Don't catch you slippin' up
Look what I'm whippin' up
This is Pinhas (woo)
Don't catch you slippin' up
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2018, 05:47:01 PM »
I bet you say that to all the girls.

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2018, 06:10:12 PM »
This sounds like Victorian techno

Steam Fist Futurist - Mr Partridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW8pLjFMYDk

Dictionary Of A Modern Marriage - XTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujRilRhai3M&list=PL7vjabnCuD8hwnQ820Si7jpuGC2ulZzQL&index=3

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2018, 07:30:26 PM »
The 'Sky Yen' album was recorded by a young Pete 'Buzzcocks' Shelley in 1974 and released as part of the box set 'The Total Groovy' in 2012. Early primitive electronic experimental pieces by the pop punk who later went full-on techno-disco.

And Witness The Change, by Pete Shelley in 1981 produced by Martin Rushent. This sounds years ahead of the edge. https://youtu.be/ER9rVzpwB4I

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2018, 07:44:27 PM »
Tom Dissevelt & Kid Baltan - Songs of the Second Moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVl2_MSwmSA

Bruce Haack - Electric Lucifer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlLjGO8Hfzg

Folke Rab - Was??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JFs5-XgrC0

Re: Proto techno
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2018, 09:26:41 PM »
Satie came first (despite the lack of electronics)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFn8wZ8gA0

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2018, 10:15:20 PM »

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2018, 10:51:01 PM »
Liaisons Dangereuses - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx12N1Tw14w

I love that track, big clubbing tune in '88.

Anne Clark - Our Darkness

https://youtu.be/OguHIyNNblM

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2018, 03:03:52 PM »
All this morning and on into the afternoon I've been catching up on some early to mid 70's Herbie Hancock and had almost forgotten how ahead of its time is some of his synth usage (with the able assistance of Pat Gleeson) on those albums.

Sextant (1972) manages to fuse techno, acid, free jazz, funk & even some proto-disco into a beautifully chaotic whole over its three extended tracks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mz5rR0y0fM

Dedication (1975) is a "solo" album by Herbie; i.e. there is no band playing alongside him. It includes the proto-techno track "Nobu" with its acid-like sequenced synth acting like a percussion accompaniment to Herbie's musings on electric piano and ARP string synth. You can almost hear the Detroit techno beat echoing some 12-13 years down the line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqDim6Ix96E


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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2018, 03:28:54 PM »
I saw a 1984 track mentioned just the other day as proto-techno - Chris & Cosey - Dancing Ghosts

I rather liked it, but it sounded like other things of the time? I don't know if I'm misjudging the year or something, but there's quite a bit of electro from around the same time which...ah I don't know, it's still good though.

From the unimpeachable source which is Wikipedia, this is Ryuichi Sakamoto from 1980:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ_SrK4D1fg

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2018, 05:00:10 PM »
It's a good reminder that Throbbing Gristle should probably get a mention, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqvQOACorAY

And Cabaret Voltaire.

The Set Up: https://www.deezer.com/en/track/72790403 (1978)

Silent Command: https://www.deezer.com/en/track/78334583 (1979)

Seconds Too Late: https://www.deezer.com/en/track/78334591 (1980)

Invocation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGnBWqK78G0 (1981)

Walls Of Jericho: https://www.deezer.com/en/track/77908687 (1981)

James Brown: https://www.deezer.com/en/track/71176632 (1984)


Sorry they're mostly Deezer links. Cabs stuff is pretty much all blocked on Youtube at the request of Merlin.
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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2018, 05:56:36 PM »
All this morning and on into the afternoon I've been catching up on some early to mid 70's Herbie Hancock and had almost forgotten how ahead of its time is some of his synth usage (with the able assistance of Pat Gleeson) on those albums.

Sextant (1972) manages to fuse techno, acid, free jazz, funk & even some proto-disco into a beautifully chaotic whole over its three extended tracks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mz5rR0y0fM

Dedication (1975) is a "solo" album by Herbie; i.e. there is no band playing alongside him. It includes the proto-techno track "Nobu" with its acid-like sequenced synth acting like a percussion accompaniment to Herbie's musings on electric piano and ARP string synth. You can almost hear the Detroit techno beat echoing some 12-13 years down the line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqDim6Ix96E

Kirk Degiorgio was big on these albums and other proto-techno jazz artists like Bobby Henderson

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Re: Proto techno
« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2018, 05:58:48 PM »
Kirk Degiorgio was big on these albums and other proto-techno jazz artists like Bobby Henderson

Eddie Henderson?