Author Topic: Hereditary  (Read 10976 times)

Re: Hereditary
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2018, 02:23:18 PM »
The 70's is easily the best decade for horror, I think. So many classics. The whole feel and aesthetic of those films just work for me in a way that other time periods don't

I've said this before but I reckon the 70's and the 40's were the best decades for film.

Anyhow, I saw this yesterday, thought it was ok. Lots of infrasound.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2018, 03:41:02 PM »
I've said this before but I reckon the 70's and the 40's were the best decades for film.

I said this for film in the 70s and got called an elitist snob for my troubles.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2018, 06:15:10 PM »
it's just silly trying to break all that stuff down into decades, there's too much involved.


That being said, the 80s were the worst decade for just about everything, largely due to how repugnant the political landscape was

Re: Hereditary
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2018, 06:33:58 PM »
it's just silly trying to break all that stuff down into decades, there's too much involved.


That being said, the 80s were the worst decade for just about everything, largely due to how repugnant the political landscape was

I don't think it is really. A lot of it is just as marked by technology as it is politics.

The 40's manages to look Liberal even by today's standards when you consider things like all about eve and the 70's went all in with psychological thrillers because the sfx couldn't quite get there. The 80's was ridiculous because of both cocaine, special effects and reganism.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2018, 06:37:46 PM »
it's just silly trying to break all that stuff down into decades, there's too much involved.

Well, it's always going to be a generalisation, to be sure but in terms of generalisations, I think that it's absolutely reasonable to favour certain decades over others when it comes to film.  Again, generally speaking, you can tell what decade a film was made in and not just because of the film stock and other related technology that's used.  There's a style, a flavour, a pace and a tone to certain decades and it's not unreasonable to prefer certain decades of filmmaking to others, in my opinion.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2018, 07:13:38 PM »
Well, it's always going to be a generalisation, to be sure but in terms of generalisations, I think that it's absolutely reasonable to favour certain decades over others when it comes to film.  Again, generally speaking, you can tell what decade a film was made in and not just because of the film stock and other related technology that's used.  There's a style, a flavour, a pace and a tone to certain decades and it's not unreasonable to prefer certain decades of filmmaking to others, in my opinion.
Not so much when you're looking globally (as I tend to insist on doing with these kind of America-centric claims), especially the further you go back. The 70s aren't that special from an international perspective, it's largely established talents stretching their wings and/or falling off. The notion of the 70s as an especially hot period is largely down to how shit America's film industry was in the 60s and how shit America was in general in the 80s.

Even in the English speaking world, there isn't a whole lot about the British film industry of the 70s to suggest it significantly better than the 60s.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2018, 07:30:30 PM »
Not so much when you're looking globally (as I tend to insist on doing with these kind of America-centric claims), especially the further you go back. The 70s aren't that special from an international perspective, it's largely established talents stretching their wings and/or falling off. The notion of the 70s as an especially hot period is largely down to how shit America's film industry was in the 60s and how shit America was in general in the 80s.

Even in the English speaking world, there isn't a whole lot about the British film industry of the 70s to suggest it significantly better than the 60s.

I won't argue against that because in fairness, I was specifically referring to American cinema when I made my claim of the 70s being my favourite decade for film.  A generalisation of a generalisation, if you will.

Re: Hereditary
« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2018, 09:54:32 PM »
Not so much when you're looking globally (as I tend to insist on doing with these kind of America-centric claims), especially the further you go back. The 70s aren't that special from an international perspective, it's largely established talents stretching their wings and/or falling off. The notion of the 70s as an especially hot period is largely down to how shit America's film industry was in the 60s and how shit America was in general in the 80s.

Even in the English speaking world, there isn't a whole lot about the British film industry of the 70s to suggest it significantly better than the 60s.

It's quite easy to forget the British contribution to '60's cinema. What with it largely being Victim and IF

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2018, 10:11:48 PM »
It's quite easy to forget the British contribution to '60's cinema. What with it largely being Victim and IF
Peeping Tom, Kes, the Servant, those awful David lean epics, A hard days night, goldfinger

Re: Hereditary
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2018, 10:26:48 PM »
I may have been being a bit facetious there mate. Kes was good, I'll give you that. It's no Land and Freedom though.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2018, 12:24:58 AM »
Saw it last night... I agree that, like The VVitch, it goes a bit overboard at the end, and it does seem like any new horror film that avoids cheesy 'modern' histrionics is instantly hailed as a classic, but overall I was very impressed. Creepy, atmospheric, some smashing performances and a fantastic sense of dread throughout. The shot of Charlie's head was the most upsetting moment for me in a movie since Under the Skin's abandoned baby on the beach... again, yes, the ending is pretty wacky, and it certainly wears it's influences on it's sleeve (Toni Collette's performance made me think of both Rosemary and Carrie), but it made such an impact on me that I'm more willing to forgive it's last-act flaws than some folks here.

Fascinating trivia; my Dad, who did amateuring acting and extra work for years, knew Gabriel Byrne in his early days and told him he was gonna be a big star!

Re: Hereditary
« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2018, 01:28:57 AM »
You lot are a tough bunch, but some great posts above. I do agree with some of the criticism - the very ending is perhaps a bit too shonky, it looses impact as it becomes more literal, and to add a new one to the pot, the son is almost devoid of personality compared to his sister - but I thought the way the dread was maintained for 95% of the film was honestly pretty spectacular. The very bad thing that happens sequence 40 mins in was spectacular, especially the cut away from the very human grief to something even worse, was impressive as anything. Colette was also at her career best, and sold even the more cliched elements perfectly. One particular sequence near the conclusion had me hiding behind my sweaty palms for the first time since the infamous 'knocking game' sequence in The Oprhanage, a decade ago now.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2018, 11:38:15 AM »
...Colette was also at her career best, and sold even the more cliched elements perfectly...



Am I the only one who found this face that Toni Collette pulls a few times throughout the film, to be unintentionally funny?  It's the way that she makes that face and then proceeded to stay absolutely still for an extended period of time, not even blinking and maintaining that expression on her face.  Every time that she pulled that face, it felt like I was watching a comedy sketch about a woman who keeps on having things go wrong in her home.

"I've burned the toast!"
(pulls the trademark face and sad trombone music plays).

"What's that?!  Oh God, it's a patch of damp wall!"
(pulls the trademark face and sad trombone music plays).

"Now my husband's on fire, due to supernatural gubbins!"
(pulls the trademark face and sad trombone music plays).
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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2018, 11:42:43 AM »


Am I the only one who found this face that Toni Collette pulled a few times throughout the film, to be unintentionally funny?  Every time that she pulled that face, it felt like I was watching a comedy sketch about a woman who keeps on seeing supernatural gubbins in her home.  "Now my husbands on fire!" (pulls the trademark face and sad trombone music plays).


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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2018, 11:53:47 AM »
I like to pretend this was a sequel to Little Miss Sunshine, and somehow everything's gone horribly wrong

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2018, 02:21:51 PM »
Lots of infrasound.

I doubt that. Most cinemas wouldn't have the specialist subwoofers needed to produce it. I think you mean sub-bass.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #76 on: June 23, 2018, 05:55:32 PM »
The final act of this seemed pasted in from a different film. The first 90 minutes goes to such lengths to carefully build atmosphere and then it all goes out the window from about when she goes into the attic.

That's how I felt about it too. I was enjoying it a lot initially, but after the daughter's death it slows down for way too long, and then the ending is absolutely fucking awful. As with The Quiet Place I have no idea why the critics are claiming it to be the scariest thing ever, there's some nice moments but most of the time it's quietly unsettling more than anything else.

I was also the only person who burst out laughing at the decapitation, and the friend I was with was quite annoyed with me for doing so. Can't blame her, though I always have that reaction to extreme violence which comes out of the blue.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #77 on: June 23, 2018, 06:24:47 PM »
I was also the only person who burst out laughing at the decapitation

Toni Collette's headless body floating up into the treehouse elicited a few chuckles at my screening!

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #78 on: June 23, 2018, 06:40:33 PM »
Am I the only one who found this face that Toni Collette pulls a few times throughout the film, to be unintentionally funny?
I said she was good for as long as the script allowed her to be, the thing is so thrown together mood wise that it'd be near impossible to balance the two disjointed styles she had to do. She was very good at the bits of an embittered daughter grieving over an awful mother.


The more I think about this film the more I think it's utterly horrendous. The guy hasn't a notion what he's at. Increasingly tempted to check out that awful sounding short he done with the incest son.

RE: crowds laughing
the naked people is ridiculously silly and whatever it was aiming for failed in a huge way, Gabriel Byrne lighting up like a bunsen burner is comedically abrupt, especially when he was seemingly being as deliberately wooden as possible up to that point, Toni Collette flying around the walls was completely off tone from what happened already, actually everything with Toni Collette near the end, and the head snapping off didn't make anyone at my screening laugh but I wouldn't blame anyone for a few awkward laughs ...it was surely playing for laughs a few of these times?.


and guys, what happened spoiler tags? those transparent ones are frustrating as fuck, gotta either copy and paste the text or quote it to see what's in them. The site's already shite enough on mobile.
or is the white text really easy to accidentally read on some screens? I'll try to switch to transparent if that's the case

Re: Hereditary
« Reply #79 on: June 23, 2018, 07:22:38 PM »
Peeping Tom, Kes, the Servant, those awful David lean epics, A hard days night, goldfinger

Hey don't forget Norman Wisdom's The Early Bird.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #80 on: June 23, 2018, 09:02:32 PM »
...guys, what happened spoiler tags? those transparent ones are frustrating as fuck, gotta either copy and paste the text or quote it to see what's in them. The site's already shite enough on mobile.
or is the white text really easy to accidentally read on some screens? I'll try to switch to transparent if that's the case

Personally, I think at this point (2 weeks after general release), spoilers are fair game, without the need to hide them.  If someone comes into this thread, hasn't seen the film yet but plans to and they have the film spoiled for them and don't like it, that's their darn own lookout, quite frankly.

Re: Hereditary
« Reply #81 on: June 23, 2018, 09:41:38 PM »
Personally, I think at this point (2 weeks after general release), spoilers are fair game, without the need to hide them.  If someone comes into this thread, hasn't seen the film yet but plans to and they have the film spoiled for them and don't like it, that's their darn own lookout, quite frankly.

A whole two weeks?  How generous! I know this is a forum of people very much engaged with popular culture, but that timframe's not much use if someone strolls in and sees a massive fuck-off spoiler when the mixed reviews here might otherwise send pique their interest.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2018, 10:37:54 PM »
A whole two weeks?  How generous! I know this is a forum of people very much engaged with popular culture, but that timframe's not much use if someone strolls in and sees a massive fuck-off spoiler when the mixed reviews here might otherwise send pique their interest.

That's a fair point.  I just feel that it would be a bit silly for someone to wade into a thread dedicated to a film which has already been on general release for two weeks now and then complain about certain plot points being spoiled for them.  Commonsense would surely dictate it wise for someone to steer clear of a film's discussion in forums, a couple of weeks after release and onward, if one wanted to avoid spoilers.  After all, there's plenty of non-spoiler reviews out there for punters who are unsure whether to watch the film or not.

Having said that, perhaps two weeks is far too soon to be posting discussions about the film without hiding the spoilers, I'll grant you that.  However, surely you agree that there has to be a cutoff point eventually?  Unless you consider it fair play for people to enter forum discussions about Citizen Kane, Soylent Green and The Empire Strikes Back and then moan about having the revelations in those films spoiled for them?  The film doesn't even have to be that old.  I'd argue that it would be equally daft for someone to read a forum about, say, The Last Jedi or A Quiet Place at this point and complain about the spoilers within.  Still, like you say, perhaps two weeks is too soon for non-hidden spoilers.  Duly noted.

Of course, I don't feel that we'd be having this discussion, if spoiler tags were still available and we didn't have to come up with our own crappy and often ineffective workarounds. *cough*reinstatethespoilertagsprettypleaseNeil*cough*.
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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2018, 12:57:14 AM »
Re spoilers I hate being spoiled so I like giving people the benefit of the doubt and just putting them in. There are people who just really enjoy reading a lot of people's thoughts on something before seeing it and who am I to deny them that enjoyment?

Re transparent text, I usually just highlight it and that seems to work fine, on mobile too. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd highlight the old spoiler tag text on mobile anyway.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #84 on: June 24, 2018, 01:46:48 AM »
Re transparent text, I usually just highlight it and that seems to work fine, on mobile too. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd highlight the old spoiler tag text on mobile anyway.
Are you sure you're not on about white text there? Most people use white text. I'm using Chrome on Mac and when I highlight highlighted text I see fuck all.
Just checked on my phone (Chrome iOS) and I'm getting the same
Got the same on Firefox here

Transparent: Luke was his Darth Vader's son
White text: Michael was Vito Corleone's son

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #85 on: June 24, 2018, 01:59:15 AM »

Re: Hereditary
« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2018, 09:19:05 AM »
Are you sure you're not on about white text there? Most people use white text. I'm using Chrome on Mac and when I highlight highlighted text I see fuck all.
Just checked on my phone (Chrome iOS) and I'm getting the same
Got the same on Firefox here

Transparent: Luke was his Darth Vader's son
White text: Michael was Vito Corleone's son

Highlighting transparent text works fine for me in Chrome on Android, and in Firefox on Windows.

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2018, 10:23:22 AM »
Highlighting transparent text works fine for me in Chrome on Android, and in Firefox on Windows.
Just checked chrome on Android and got the same as you!

This is very interesting. Seems to be OS level as opposed browser level?

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2018, 10:49:57 AM »
I dunno, but the lady in The Crying Game has a penis

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Re: Hereditary
« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2018, 12:41:53 PM »
Are you sure you're not on about white text there? Most people use white text. I'm using Chrome on Mac and when I highlight highlighted text I see fuck all.
Just checked on my phone (Chrome iOS) and I'm getting the same
Got the same on Firefox here

Transparent: Luke was his Darth Vader's son
White text: Michael was Vito Corleone's son

Yeah highlighting transparent text works totally fine for me in Chrome on Android and Windows. Not sure what your issue might be.