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'Disenchantment', new Matt Groening series on Netflix

Started by samadriel, May 24, 2018, 09:35:46 AM

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samadriel


"And who could forget dear Rat Boy?..."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-24/the-simpsons-matt-groening-new-show-disenchantment/9794914

This starts in August, apparently.  Character design seems a little uninspired, but hey, I liked Futurama.  Oo, look here:

QuoteJoining Jacobson in the main roles will be comedians Nat Faxon and Eric Andre, as well as John DiMaggio (who voices Futurama's Bender), Billy West (Futurama's Fry and Professor Farnsworth) and Tress MacNeille, who voices many characters on The Simpsons and Futurama.

That's good news.

jobotic


samadriel


Old Nehamkin

Quote from: jobotic on May 24, 2018, 09:48:57 AM
And Noel Fielding apparently.

And Rich Fulcher and Matt Berry.

Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein are both executive producers for this, which is promising.

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Ignatius_S

Nice to have the release date and a look at the err... look of the series, but shame that there doesn't seem to be any new information. Also, from what had been previously said about the design, the stills shouldn't be a major surprise.

Quote from: samadriel on May 24, 2018, 09:56:20 AM
That's bad news.

For various reasons, I prefer the radio version of The Mighty Boosh – it's been a while since I listened to it, but going from memory, thought Fielding's performance was better in that, so not sorry to see him cast here.

However, when the cast was being talked up, I wasn't that enthusiastic – not that any names rang alarm bells, but I would prefer to see more vocal specialists, rather than name comedians. Recently, I has been thinking about the use of guest star comedians on Bob's Burgers. Some are absolutely excellent, but I'm not sure how much benefit the show gets overall. It's not that there are duff performances, but a fair few are okay at best – something that could be avoided. 

VelourSpirit

I was worried seeing the main roles weren't experienced voice actors but John DiMaggio, Billy West, Maurice LaMarche, Tress MacNeille and David Herman are all in it too. I don't mind Noel Fielding but does anyone else find it jarring hearing British voices in American cartoons?

NoSleep

Yeah (actually, no), but this is a Game Of Thrones type thing, isn't it? American voices would be the ones that stand out as wrong so I'd guess a lot of the Yanks will be putting on Brit accents.

Ignatius_S

Quote from: TwinPeaks on May 24, 2018, 01:27:48 PM
I was worried seeing the main roles weren't experienced voice actors but John DiMaggio, Billy West, Maurice LaMarche, Tress MacNeille and David Herman are all in it too. I don't mind Noel Fielding but does anyone else find it jarring hearing British voices in American cartoons?

I think at the moment, we only know who Abbi Jacobson, Nat Faxon and Eric Andre are playing and they're the leads. The likes of West and LaMarche are very much go-to guys and have a lot of history with Groening – I like them, but I'd be surprised than not, if they weren't in there.

Rich Fulcher has done a fair bit of vocal work, but not sure how much he would bring. Whereas someone like Lucy Montgomery offers versatility – something that was demonstrated on The Tracy Ullman show – without excelling. 

Quote from: TwinPeaks on May 24, 2018, 01:27:48 PM...I don't mind Noel Fielding but does anyone else find it jarring hearing British voices in American cartoons?

A lot of British actors don't just do British voices – Julian Holloway, for instance, is a great example who carved out a nice career in American vocal work and personally, there's been quite a few roles where I wouldn't have guessed. But here, we're talking about people that are being hired because they're darn good.

Ignatius_S

Quote from: NoSleep on May 24, 2018, 01:40:01 PM
Yeah (actually, no), but this is a Game Of Thrones type thing, isn't it? American voices would be the ones that stand out as wrong so I'd guess a lot of the Yanks will be putting on Brit accents.

Yeah, there is that - good point.


idunnosomename

How odd to just release some stills. Why no footage in this viral age?

I bet there's porn of it already though

Ignatius_S

Quote from: idunnosomename on May 24, 2018, 02:32:39 PM
How odd to just release some stills. Why no footage in this viral age?...

They released quite a lot of information recently – just checked and it was in March – that got a lot of (social) media coverage. Skip forward a couple of months and just releasing stills (and sketches) and – I think – the release date (don't think there's any other new news) and they're getting lots of (social) media coverage.

Why release footage now? It's something they'll be doing soon enough and that way, they're more likely maintain/increase publicity momentum.

momatt

It's about time Billy West got some work voicing a cartoon character.

St_Eddie






The design of Elfo is basically just a fantasy spin on Bart Simpson, isn't he?  Right down to the red t-shirt and blue shorts.  I like the fact that this will be a more adult orientated Matt Groening animation and the voice cast is decent, with a lot of The Simpsons and particularly Futurama alumni returning (plus Groening is clearly a fan of The Mighty Boosh; a shame that seemingly, Julian Barratt isn't among the voice cast.  I'd take him over Noel Fielding any day of the week).  This'll be good fun, I reckon.

Phil_A

Both Futurama and The Simpsons had the benefit of being ahead of the curve, there hadn't really been shows like them when they first aired so they felt like something genuinely fresh.

I've no idea how long Disenchantment has been in production, but I feel like there've been a fair few cartoons doing the whole "mocking fantasy tropes" thing(I can think of Adventure Time and Star Vs The Forces Of Evil offhand) and so far this doesn't give the impression of bringing much new to the table.

If this turns out to have a tenth of the creativity and fun of Adventure Time in it's prime...well, I'll be pleasantly surprised. Ehh, we'll see.

idunnosomename

The elf is the weak bit in the character design, I think. So Bart. But do we actually believe Groening designed these characters himself?

The central character and her demon though (and the reversed shadow), I like.

I don't understand what the fuck happened to Futurama to make it so exceptionally awful so suddenly, but I am uncommonly interested in this for rekindling.... well... anything. In my shattered, depressed, pessmisitic husk of a soul.

Old Nehamkin

Quote from: idunnosomename on May 24, 2018, 10:14:18 PM
The elf is the weak bit in the character design, I think. So Bart. But do we actually believe Groening designed these characters himself?

I don't see any reason to think he didn't. He certainly designed the principal characters for the Simpsons and Futurama.

idunnosomename

Well he clearly has had so little to do with The Simpsons for decades. And Futurama was such a long time ago.

I mean I don't know what he really does now. Except money fights. But if he's really the creative force behind this being concieved, designed, commissioned and made then mad props to the guy.

Avril Lavigne

Quote from: idunnosomename on May 24, 2018, 11:00:35 PM
Well he clearly has had so little to do with The Simpsons for decades. And Futurama was such a long time ago.

I mean I don't know what he really does now. Except money fights. But if he's really the creative force behind this being concieved, designed, commissioned and made then mad props to the guy.

Elfo's sideburns scream 'Early Simpsons' character design to me, which nothing in The Simpsons has done since Groening became less directly involved some time in the '90s.

Sebastian Cobb

Oddly apparently Groening didn't really like some of the more expressive simpsons stuff. Especially the early couple of series.

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Tentatively hopeful for this, as I've enjoyed the initial portions of both Groening's previous works.

One concern is that Futurama already found ways to deal with aspects that would typically considered Fantasy, rather than Sci-fi and I tended not to especially enjoy them.

Another character for whom 'hard-drinking' is a central trait? Hasn't this furrow been well ploughed via characters like Homer, Barney, Fry and Bender?

Bhazor

Not too sure about this. Sounds a little rushed out. The new Matt Groening show two and a half months from its release with no trailer and basically no fan fair? I think a lot of the art style is decent, like a higher detail version of Adventure Time, but the presumably two main characters just *look* annoying.

St_Eddie

Quote from: Avril Lavigne on May 24, 2018, 11:49:52 PM
Elfo's sideburns scream 'Early Simpsons' character design to me, which nothing in The Simpsons has done since Groening became less directly involved some time in the '90s.

Yes, good catch.



Case in point.

Quote from: Bhazor on May 25, 2018, 12:18:12 AM
Not too sure about this. Sounds a little rushed out.

To be fair, it was first announced two years ago.

popcorn

I'm certain Groening designed the characters, but they've been through the usual blanderising process to make them all presentable and clean, with that horrible computer colouring. Groening's actual style is quite wobbly and anarchic.

I like the demon design - that's pure Groening, Ackbar and Jeff, the sort of thing that hasn't typically survived into his shows.

Ignatius_S

Quote from: St_Eddie on May 25, 2018, 01:01:36 AM...To be fair, it was first announced two years ago.

Yeah, it's been in development for a decent amount of time.

The official announcement was July last year – but it had been reported that Groening was developing a new animated show for Netflix in January 2016. However, I don't think we have any clear idea of how long that had been going on for or when development began in earner; obviously, it might be the case that Groening had been working on the idea previously.

When I was reading up on some old articles, saw that when Netflix announced the show last July, the cast was already in place.

Lemming

I hope the elf turns to the camera and tells people not to be mad about Apu.

popcorn

Oh yeah, the demon's arm pose is Life in Hell-like, too.


saltysnacks

Don't know how to feel about this. Wasn't The Simpsons already bad by the time Futurama started? Maybe this could be good.

popcorn

Kind of said it already above, but I'm fascinated by how far Futurama and now this are, visually, from Groening's "real" style. The Simpsons went that way eventually too, but in the early seasons it was obviously very much a product of Groening's cartooning, whereas this is just... gloss. Who are these anonymous people who draw these pictures?