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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2018, 09:49:58 PM »
Better yet why wasn't Peter Strickland hired to do it?

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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2018, 10:10:23 PM »
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Fuck it, I was close enough!

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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2018, 11:41:10 PM »
Suspiria is my favourite horror film so if I do make myself watch this it'll be out of spite or curiosity. I had heard this was going to change stuff which would at least be interesting but apparently it doesn't? What an arrogant vanity project. I usually enjoy self-indulgence but not when it's so pompous.

Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2018, 05:41:29 PM »
I re-watched Phenomena last night, and I'm now watching the making-of film.
I like it, but it really does feel like a remake of Suspiria itself. Watching a load of Argento in a short time reveals just how little variation there is in his stories.

Which ones have you watched ?

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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2018, 05:50:21 PM »
Which ones have you watched ?
Suspiria
Phenomena
Inferno
Tenebrae
Four Flies On Grey Velvet
Deep Red

Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2018, 06:03:51 PM »
I'll watch this out of curiosity too but seems a really weird choice all round. The original is such a singular, dreamlike experience the only directors I'd like to see remake it are probably Gaspare Noe or Ken Russell if he was alive, that'd be a laugh.

Would be much more interested in remakes of Argento's non-supernatural giallo, if you have to have remakes. Deep Red or TBWTCP maybe done by the Bone Tomahawk guy, or Eli Roth to really take the piss (I like him tbf, makes entertaining films). I've not bothered with many of the recent-ish horror remakes - Maniac was ok but pretty forgettable.

Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2018, 09:28:44 PM »
I'll watch this out of curiosity too but seems a really weird choice all round. The original is such a singular, dreamlike experience the only directors I'd like to see remake it are probably Gaspare Noe or Ken Russell if he was alive, that'd be a laugh.



Have you heard about Noes new film he's got coming out soon? Doesnt sound too far off!

Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2018, 08:27:29 PM »
Suspiria
Phenomena
Inferno
Tenebrae
Four Flies On Grey Velvet
Deep Red

So you've probably read tons of articles telling you those are his best, yeah ?

Thing is that most Italian giallo films are very much of a muchness - none of them are particularly interesting for their plots. It's the difference in style between one director and another that makes it interesting, or the style of an individual director as it evolves from one movie to another.

Now me, I actually may be one of the few madmen who prefers his later, dafter movies. I find Deep Red a chore and Mother of Tears a whacky, albeit horribly misogynistic, delight. Dracula has to be seen to be believed.

Thing is, I can see what you are saying, but don't sweat it. I'm interested to know where you find them wanting.

Your list splits in two exactly - the first three are supernatural thrillers that push your suspension of disbelief, the latter three variations on the murder-mystery thriller. There is to my mind one failure in each category, because he pushed things too far. If it helps, keep in mind that you aren't always supposed to find Argento's protagonists likeable, let alone heroic.

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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2018, 10:33:25 PM »
So you've probably read tons of articles telling you those are his best, yeah ?

Thing is that most Italian giallo films are very much of a muchness - none of them are particularly interesting for their plots. It's the difference in style between one director and another that makes it interesting, or the style of an individual director as it evolves from one movie to another.

Now me, I actually may be one of the few madmen who prefers his later, dafter movies. I find Deep Red a chore and Mother of Tears a whacky, albeit horribly misogynistic, delight. Dracula has to be seen to be believed.

Thing is, I can see what you are saying, but don't sweat it. I'm interested to know where you find them wanting.

Your list splits in two exactly - the first three are supernatural thrillers that push your suspension of disbelief, the latter three variations on the murder-mystery thriller. There is to my mind one failure in each category, because he pushed things too far. If it helps, keep in mind that you aren't always supposed to find Argento's protagonists likeable, let alone heroic.

Oh, I get all that. I enjoy his films for what they are. He's a very imaginative visual director and I will be checking out more in the future. As generic as the stories are, they don't really matter. They're just a vector for the visuals and set pieces.

I watched that lot because they're the easiest ones to get on Bluray in the UK.

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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2018, 12:55:03 AM »
The Bird with the Crystal Plumage is way alright too

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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2018, 12:17:43 AM »
Two and a half hours long, by the talk. 152 minutes. I dunno, if it needs to be that length then that's the length it needs to be, but it's rare that something goes very far beyond the two hour mark because it's just got so much of worth going on and so much of worth to say. More often it's the case that it could have shut its face forty minutes earlier and been all the better for it.

But, we'll see.
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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2018, 12:38:01 AM »
There's a reason why comedies and horrors are almost never over two hours. They work on more superficial reactions, rather than emotional investment, so they tire the audience out quicker.

CMBYN felt quite poorly judged, so he's got form for strange errors of judgement.

Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2018, 04:56:55 AM »
If your film is over two hours long and you screen it to an audience of 250 people and no one thought it went on a bit, then you're allowed. Otherwise, the scissors with you.

Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2018, 03:52:23 PM »
Anyone seen this yet? Saw it Friday. Sure, it doesn't all work and it's definitely too long but there's a lot to like about it too. The desaturated, grey 1970s look of the film is great and quite reminiscent of something like Don't Look Now. Tilda Swinton is fantastic (in all her roles) and Thom Yorke's soundtrack is breathtaking in places.

There is some fucking bonkers moments in it and just when I thought the film had jumped the shark it utterly won me back. I may go see it again. It has that same feeling as 'Call Me By Your Name' of getting under your skin (but in a more horror way) and making you think about it for days after.
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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2018, 11:56:40 PM »
I went into it expecting to really, really dislike it, and I came away from it thinking it's probably my second favourite film of the year. I absolutely fucking loved it. It throws the full of its guts and everything in them at the wall, and so what if it doesn't all stick, or if some of its notions are more convincing maybe than others. The whole experience was utterly exhilarating. It was also far, far closer in spirit to the orginal than I had been led to believe - even though certain of the quieter, creepier passages felt more indebted to Maya Deren or someone like this than Dario Argento - and it engages with it in ways that I found fascinating and compelling far more often than not. It was just fucking awesome most of the time, is all there is to it. What a lot of people seemed to get from Mandy, I got from this.

Loved the daft old bloody stupid thing to bits.

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Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2018, 02:47:43 AM »
enthusiastic post

I might go and see this then. Is the soundtrack reminiscent of the old giallo sountracks (possibly my favourite kind of music)? I'm really not a Thom Yorke aficionado.
What's you favourite film of the year btw?

Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2018, 05:53:12 AM »
Heard this was more like Black Swan than a giallo.  Which actually doesn't sound too bad.  There are three kinds of horror remakes, and only one of them isn't an exercise in futility: Gus Van Sant/Psycho, 2006 Hills Have Eyes, and The Thing/Fly-style riffs on a theme.  Sounds like this might be in the latter category

Re: Suspiria (2018)
« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2018, 02:55:30 PM »
I might go and see this then. Is the soundtrack reminiscent of the old giallo sountracks (possibly my favourite kind of music)? I'm really not a Thom Yorke aficionado.

Nah, it's more reminiscent of Krautrock from the era when the film is set (and when the original came out).