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Mister Six

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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2018, 04:33:40 AM »
Apart from in Twin Peaks where it comes from a middle class family.

And the earthly evil emanates from the resolutely upper-class Hornes and Martells.

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« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2018, 08:15:16 AM »
more to the point, who is vulnerable to the associated evils coming out idealised conceptions of Americanness throughout Lynch? Poor people, young people, old people for sure. Mostly women. That the towns can appear 'twinned with Midsomer' is the point - this is the America the GOP has in their head, and it is rotten.

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« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2018, 08:38:47 AM »
And the earthly evil emanates from the resolutely upper-class Hornes and Martells.

And according to the Secret History, the Hornes and the Milfords (the mayor and his bro) have been connected to the evil in the woods for a generation (or two) at least.

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« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2018, 12:27:48 PM »
And according to the Secret History, the Hornes and the Milfords (the mayor and his bro) have been connected to the evil in the woods for a generation (or two) at least.

Though those books are Frost's work without much more than a nod from Lynch, to be fair.

Shaky

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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #94 on: September 08, 2018, 12:02:23 AM »
Though those books are Frost's work without much more than a nod from Lynch, to be fair.

True, but I'm happy to take them as canon anyway. FWWM didn't involve Frost and we've all seen how important that's become to the mythos.

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« Reply #95 on: September 08, 2018, 11:09:06 AM »
Also worth noting that according to Room to Dream, Lynch spent a lot of timd on the script on his own when Frost went off to write the books, which makes them seem much more like diverging/separate worlds.
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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #96 on: September 08, 2018, 11:23:15 AM »
I feel you. I've not rewatched it and only watched the first part of the return on crappy phone, so didn't get the "Full" Experience. Reading these threads turned me off rewatching as I believe watching Lynch's output for the first time requires some sort of detachment from blabber initially.

I'm intending to rewatch over autumn if I can and seeing how I feel about it.

I'm sure I've seen you complement Lynch's work in other threads and assume you were looking forward to The Return... So what compelled you to watch part of it on a fucking phone?

BlodwynPig

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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #97 on: September 08, 2018, 01:15:40 PM »
I'm sure I've seen you complement Lynch's work in other threads and assume you were looking forward to The Return... So what compelled you to watch part of it on a fucking phone?

I'm his biggest fan*. I didn't have a computer/laptop for the first few months in Canada but didn't want to wait.

*I love his work

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« Reply #98 on: September 08, 2018, 05:52:11 PM »
That's a shame, you should have waited.
I recently rewatched the Blu-ray on a 50" screen with surround sound and it was quite a lot more immersive than seeing it originally on a 28" with built-in speakers.
I can't imagine feeling any sense of immersion in anything seen on my phone.

BlodwynPig

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« Reply #99 on: September 08, 2018, 10:29:21 PM »
That's a shame, you should have waited.
I recently rewatched the Blu-ray on a 50" screen with surround sound and it was quite a lot more immersive than seeing it originally on a 28" with built-in speakers.
I can't imagine feeling any sense of immersion in anything seen on my phone.


It was mainly murky. I think i saw ep 7 onwards on laptop

Bhazor

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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #100 on: November 12, 2018, 10:47:02 PM »
I done a thing. I done one.



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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2018, 11:04:59 PM »
Great work, Bhazor!

PlanktonSideburns

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« Reply #102 on: November 12, 2018, 11:09:19 PM »
Great stuff

Bhazor

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« Reply #103 on: November 12, 2018, 11:18:06 PM »
Thanks.

Just ignore the hands. And try not to notice when I went mental on the checks. Or how I seem to have turned his beard into a kicky little scarf.  But eh. I was trying like 5 different things for the first time at the same time (doing white on black, metallic sheen, multi direction lighting, old man face, representing materials through different brush strokes) so the fact I can bear to even look at it means it went far better than I had hoped.

Shaky

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« Reply #104 on: November 12, 2018, 11:23:14 PM »
Yeah, that's really good. Particularly love how expressive the face is. Congrats!

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« Reply #105 on: November 13, 2018, 12:29:13 AM »
Weird, I considered bumping this thread yesterday too as I read that "Catching the Big Fish" book by Lynch and it's full of passages which I think are relevant to TP 3.

There are two quite important chapters I can remember off the top of my head: the first is called something like "Tower of Gold" and is about achieving bliss through meditating (as most of the book is) but it stresses the metaphor of it being like finding gold within. Two notable "gold moments" in the series are Laura's head in the gold orb, and the gold cloud that leaves the body of the child killed by Richard Horne.

I think that's also the chapter that talks about negativity as darkness, and that another way of describing darkness is absence. I think he talks about filling that darkness or absence with gold. Does that not sound like the giant sending a gold orb to the place where a black void has just opened up and spewed some monsters out?

As far as the boy with the gold cloud goes: he dies from a series of events initiated by Red: he insults Richard Horne, who in his anger takes drugs and drives too fast, killing the boy. I've said on previous pages that I think the strongest theme of the season is the idea that negativity begets further negativity and that sequence is a pretty obvious indicator, as the positive influence, the gold, is snuffed out. Interestingly, Red's only other scene is probably the other most obvious indicator of the theme: the one with the vomiting zombie child, which is kicked off by a bullet through the diner window which Red was stood in front of just a few seconds before.

The second interesting chapter in the "Big Fish" book is the Inland Empire one, which begins with the epigraph: "We are like the spider, we weave our life and then move along in it. We are like the dreamer who dreams and then lives in the dream. This is true for the entire universe." That chapter goes on to talk about the creation of Inland Empire, naturally, but also it particularly emphasises Lynch's belief in the Unified Field and everything being connected. He uses that to explain why the one character in IE has the red bulb in his mouth.

I think the above is further evidence to suggest that the idea of "the dreamer" is not that a particular character is dreaming the events, but that it refers to everything being connected: the dream world of TP is the world of the lodges, a place which both exists in the subconscious of the characters (as Cooper and Laura visit there in their sleep), and as a real place to be visited via portals in the waking world. It suggests that everything is both in the minds of everyone and real at the same time, that it's all one thing.

That's an idea which is also explored by The Sopranos as Tony becomes Kevin Finnerty in his coma and has an encounter with some buddhist monks, the idea being that when he wakes up he briefly has some awareness that his actions hurt people ("everything is everything" is how one character puts it).

I still can't quite wrap my head around episode 18 though. I feel that the idea of 17, in light of the above, could be a representation of achieving enlightenment: the green gardening glove destroys Bob = the garden is cleaned of bugs (the black lodge creatures, including the woodsmen, are bug-like in their representation; bugs in Lynch stuff is usually a metaphor for repressed darkness, most obviously in Blue Velvet). The "garden" being cleaned is a metaphor for the soul or the psyche being cleaned. That's when it's realised that everything is a dream (everything is connected and reality is what you make it: positive or negative), and reality shatters.

But if that's so, then why is Cooper seemingly punished? I'm unconvinced by any interpretation of 18 as a good ending or as any kind of triumph; to me it's as bleak as can be. I've always seen Carrie's world as Judy's world. When Cooper asks what year it is, could it be the future? If the 2017 TP is much bleaker than 1990, and a much worse place for kids, has Cooper travelled to an even bleaker time? Are there any children in episode 18, and is it significant if there aren't, considering how children are used in season 3?

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« Reply #106 on: November 13, 2018, 11:32:18 PM »
I'm not quite convinced by the bleak or happy interpretations of episode 18. I mean it's all quite scary, but you've ended with Coop and Carrie together/Carrie coming to a realisation about who she is... It's a horrific realisation, but it's surely necessary as well.

Diane's off somewhere no idea what's going on with that, so who knows, but she left with purpose so it feels like she has a plan.

But I've seen the suggestion they're doomed/trapped there forever, but surely there's still hope that they might be able to get a handle on their situation and work out what to do next.

Though Lynch and Frost say they'd be very happy with that as an end point, which makes me think I might not quite be reading things right.

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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2018, 01:23:38 PM »

Thought this would be an appropriate thread to pop this in. A new short from David Lynch: 'Ant Head'.

https://youtu.be/sDAJIWvTKw8

Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #108 on: November 17, 2018, 08:22:48 PM »
I've started on a rewatch from the entirety of Twin Peaks start, thought it might be a bit difficult or weird going back to S1 now, but it's like a comfy pair of slippers, it's also interesting to look out for little things that I would never noticed pre The Return.

Anyone done a comprehensive rewatch yet?

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« Reply #109 on: November 22, 2018, 06:05:28 PM »
I re-watched the lot earlier this year, from January to March.
Considering I was late to the party with the original series and The Return (first saw S1 & S2 in Jun-Aug 2017, FWWM & S3 Sep-Oct), I pretty much watched all of it twice, back-to-back.
And I'm considering another re-watch next year.
Might just skip the first 2 seasons, my undying love for the show really belongs to The Return.

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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #110 on: November 22, 2018, 07:16:50 PM »
I'm off work until the middle of next week and the main event of my time off is hibernating against the grey November chill and rewatching all of The Return. I've seen the original two series and FWWM several times, but watching The Return as it came out was a very twisting, turning, discombobulating experience so by binging it I hope to join up all the dots.

Six episodes in and I've certainly not been disappointed. A piece of television so defiant and uncompromising it defies the medium of television somehow. It's a shattered mirror, where moods are constantly juxtaposed - Kafkaesque farce, crime drama, supernatural horror, self-parody, live music show - continuing a story even as it abnegates it. There's almost a sheer gall in moments like Bobby breaking down in tears as he sees Laura's photo and that music sweeping in. It feels strikingly 'now,' no mean feat in today's times, when most art feels reflexive and identity-less.

How the fuck, though, is the DVD box set only rated 15? 'Very strong language, strong bloody violence, gore, sex, drug misuse,' it says on the box, to which I would add - at the very least - 'rape and sexual assault, children being run over, Grace Zabriskie screaming, and general extreme bad vibes.'

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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #111 on: November 22, 2018, 07:23:06 PM »
How the fuck, though, is the DVD box set only rated 15?

Shit, I never even realised that. The original series blu ray is a 15 too, and that includes Fire Walk with Me. The X-Files box set is an 18 but somehow Twin Peaks isn't.

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« Reply #112 on: November 22, 2018, 09:19:43 PM »
Nothing much to add here, but every time I listen to Shadow by Chromatics it sends shivers up my spine and I feel such a swell of sadness for Dale Cooper. Helps that it's one of the best songs of the last few years, but married with one of the most stunning films/shows just elevates it further.

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« Reply #113 on: November 22, 2018, 09:29:59 PM »
Nothing much to add here, but every time I listen to Shadow by Chromatics it sends shivers up my spine and I feel such a swell of sadness for Dale Cooper. Helps that it's one of the best songs of the last few years, but married with one of the most stunning films/shows just elevates it further.
Additionally, it made me go out and buy a couple of Chromatics albums (plus a Johnny Jewel one)... so, yeah, thanks for that, David Lynch.

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« Reply #114 on: November 23, 2018, 05:57:37 PM »
As a latecomer, it still seems weird to me that it all aired during Spring/Summer. It's such an Autumnal/Wintery show!
IMO it needs to be watched it in a cold, dark room - raining outside? even better - while wearing a fleece or something lovely, but on occasion lets in a bit of chill, with a blanket over your lower half and a tipple of whiskey or sherry to last the first 20-30 minutes or so, to get the full, official TP:TR experience! (my experience)

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Re: Twin Peaks Season 3...
« Reply #115 on: November 23, 2018, 08:19:44 PM »
I just occurred to me that I have bought more editions of Twin Peaks than anything else. Starting with the complete series on VHS, FWWM on VHS, then the region free DVD of FWWM, eventually the Region 1 FWWM, some weird Japanese release of the TV show on DVD, the proper region 1 DVD release of season one. Then, after fucking ages, the region 2 DVD of season 2. Then the DVD Gold Box "definitive" collection. And finally the blu-rays of the original run and The Return. And my ex-wife kept those last two so I'll probably need to buy them again, cow. She doesn't even have a blu-ray player.

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« Reply #116 on: November 24, 2018, 12:45:01 PM »
Don't know if this will be everywhere, but The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer was in my local HMV on a " 2 books for £5 or £4 each offer"

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« Reply #117 on: November 24, 2018, 06:45:26 PM »
I just occurred to me that I have bought more editions of Twin Peaks than anything else. Starting with the complete series on VHS, FWWM on VHS, then the region free DVD of FWWM, eventually the Region 1 FWWM, some weird Japanese release of the TV show on DVD, the proper region 1 DVD release of season one. Then, after fucking ages, the region 2 DVD of season 2. Then the DVD Gold Box "definitive" collection. And finally the blu-rays of the original run and The Return. And my ex-wife kept those last two so I'll probably need to buy them again, cow. She doesn't even have a blu-ray player.

I contemplated buying a laserdisc player just so I could get Twin Peaks with good picture quality. Fortunately they invented DVD instead.

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« Reply #118 on: November 24, 2018, 10:34:44 PM »
Don't know if this will be everywhere, but The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer was in my local HMV on a " 2 books for £5 or £4 each offer"

I found The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer a lot more moving and generally engaging that I had expected. Not essential, but Jennifer Lynch did a pretty good job, all told!

Bhazor

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« Reply #119 on: November 24, 2018, 10:55:54 PM »
The audiobook version is great. How Sheryl Lee never became a major star is beyond me.