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Brexit Discussion Thread number 3

Started by Dr Rock, July 22, 2018, 10:47:12 AM

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Paul Calf


manticore

Quote from: BlodwynPig on January 03, 2019, 09:33:53 AM

And how should we implement your preferred approach?

Labour should listen to democrats and socialists across Europe and take it on as policy and campaign for it, and people on the left should be encouraging them to do that. 

https://diem25.org/

Fambo Number Mive

I've created a new thread as we are nearly at 100 pages. Is the title ok?

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Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on January 03, 2019, 08:47:08 PM
I've created a new thread as we are nearly at 100 pages. Is the title ok?

"Brexit Goes Forth" was my cunning plan.

Dex Sawash


biggytitbo

I'm not going to comment too much on this but its certainly food for thought about how the EU is in some senses a parasitic body sitting on top of UNECE - an organisation almost never discussed anywhere, wholesaling many of its regulations almost verbatim - https://www.adamsmith.org/stuck-in-the-middle-with-eu/


This leaves Norway, not in the EU but with a direct seat at UNECE, more of a say over many regulations than the UK does, which sits only as part of the EU. At least according to the argument.


biggytitbo

I imagine the other countries will follow suit. Seems France already did
QuoteBefore Christmas the French also sought to reassure British nationals in France of their status post-Brexit. Nathalie Loiseau, the Europe minister, said that France would guarantee the residence, employment and welfare rights of the 160,000 resident British citizens living there provided that Britain offered the same guarantees to French expatriates.



Paul Calf

We're well on the way to creating a tier of second-class citizens! Hurrah!

Paul Calf

French and Italian expats in Britain will have more rights and better employment prospects than British nationals in Britain.

Because that's what we voted for.


BlodwynPig

Quote from: Paul Calf on January 05, 2019, 05:55:19 PM
French and Italian expats in Britain will have more rights and better employment prospects than British nationals in Britain.

Because that's what we voted for.

Buelligan is moving out!

Less cave, more caviar and cava!

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Paul Calf on January 05, 2019, 05:55:19 PM
French and Italian expats in Britain will have more rights and better employment prospects than British nationals in Britain.

Because that's what we voted for.

Irrespective of those reciprocal deals, Irish people will have more rights than British people as well.

chveik

Quote from: Paul Calf on January 05, 2019, 05:55:19 PM
French and Italian expats in Britain will have more rights and better employment prospects than British nationals in Britain.

how do you know that?

manticore

Why is this thread still going on? There's a new one, don't make me hop around like this. Transfer yourselves en masse please people and vacate the area.

Thank you for your co-operation in this difficult time.

Paul Calf

Quote from: chveik on January 05, 2019, 07:34:44 PM
how do you know that?

If the reciprocal agreements are implemented, citizens of those countries will be able to live and work freely in the UK and the EU, working alongside British people who've lost those rights.

chveik

Quote from: Paul Calf on January 05, 2019, 07:53:23 PM
If the reciprocal agreements are implemented, citizens of those countries will be able to live and work freely in the UK and the EU, working alongside British people who've lost those rights.

hum. I thought that 'reciprocal' meant that both UK and UE citizens would have the same rights.

Paul Calf

Quote from: chveik on January 05, 2019, 08:30:46 PM
hum. I thought that 'reciprocal' meant that both UK and UE citizens would have the same rights.

UK citizens currently resident in the relevant countries would have the same rights in those countries as EU citizens. EU citizens currently resident in Britain would (in theory) retain their current status.

Talulah, really!

Quote from: biggytitbo on January 04, 2019, 01:58:20 PM
I'm not going to comment too much on this but its certainly food for thought about how the EU is in some senses a parasitic body sitting on top of UNECE - an organisation almost never discussed anywhere, wholesaling many of its regulations almost verbatim - https://www.adamsmith.org/stuck-in-the-middle-with-eu/

hmmmm

QuoteThus, in September 2013 an EU programme on food labeling that stopped the use of the Union flag on packs of meat (and caused much media outrage) was actually implementing a standard from the global body, the 'Codex Alimentarius' (Latin for 'food code').

The EU copied portions of the exact text into their Regulation...

and it seems they are not the only ones....

Compare 'Stuck in the middle of EU by Roland Smith' as linked to by biggy

QuoteThe paradox is explained by the way Codex works. Mr Knudtsen's 170-strong committee, with 50–60 countries most interested in seafood, was established in 1963 and creates the rules which the WTO accept as the basis for trade. Increasingly, member states and trading blocs—such as the EU—adopt Codex standards as the basis for their own regulations, and are gradually undergoing a process where existing regulations are being changed so that they match Codex standards.

with Richard North's 2015 blogpost 'EU regulation: Codex is the top table – Part I'

QuoteThe paradox is explained by the way Codex works. Mr Knudtsen's committee is 170-strong, with 50-60 countries most interested in seafood. The committee was established in 1963 and, with the active participation of the members, makes the rules which the WTO accepts as the basis for trade.

Increasingly, member states and trading blocs – such as the EU - are adopting Codex standards as the basis for their own regulations, and are gradually undergoing a process where existing regulations are being changed so that they match Codex standards.

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84061

biggytitbo

Naughty! Peter North's blog is required reading btw, he's an advocate of the eea option I believe but he articulates the problems with the EU in the kind of minute detail you wont find anywhere else.

Talulah, really!

Quote from: biggytitbo on January 05, 2019, 09:22:09 PM
Naughty! Peter North's blog is required reading btw, he's an advocate of the eea option I believe but he articulates the problems with the EU in the kind of minute detail you wont find anywhere else.

Are you watching those naughty videos again?

biggytitbo

Peter North loves cock and the intricies of the Customs Union.

Dex Sawash

Quote from: manticore on January 05, 2019, 07:48:10 PM
Why is this thread still going on? There's a new one, don't make me hop around like this. Transfer yourselves en masse please people and vacate the area.

Thank you for your co-operation in this difficult time.

Where's the new one(s)? I love new thread time, the struggle for thread supremacy, the title wars, the parody opportunities.

manticore

Quote from: Dex Sawash on January 06, 2019, 12:46:59 AM
Where's the new one(s)? I love new thread time, the struggle for thread supremacy, the title wars, the parody opportunities.

Here! -

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,71047.msg3702373.html#msg3702373

Now PLEASE people, abandon this anachronism, this godforsaken thread hole. A new hell awaits!

Dex Sawash

Oh, I thought that was tory infighting thread.


Edit- is the brexit 4 part of he title newly appended?

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Quote from: Dex Sawash on January 06, 2019, 02:41:43 AM
Edit- is the brexit 4 part of he title newly appended?

No, it was always there.

BlodwynPig

Maybe let's get this to 100 before you complain