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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #240 on: August 10, 2018, 01:31:58 PM »
Seemed to indicate a complete lack of critical thinking. Journalists saying they like something and paying for it is not ethically bad. Kermode buying the Exorcist on Bluray is not a scandal. If anything it shows the review was genuine.

Obviously patreon isn't the same as buying a product, and you can probably make an argument it's inappropriate for a journalist to fund and review a dev, but it's a subtle, minor breach at worst. It's not as clear cut as if the dev was funding the journalist, which is what a lot of gamergaters seemed to confuse it for.

On the games journalism front, there does seem to be a misunderstanding. Games journalism is set up, run by, and paid for by publishers. It's part of the games publishing industry.

Kotaku and Polygon both made statements forbidding their writers from supporting any further game dev patreons, with an exception later added if it was the only way they could secure footage for a feature.

I'm not sure Kermode buying an Exorcist bluray is at all an apt comparison, to be honest. The most egregious examples of conflict of interest were probably perpetrated by Patricia Hernandez, who gave positive coverage to her landlord/friend without disclosing the nature of their relationship. Then she went ahead and did the same thing with someone she was dating.

I dunno, it just seems like people still want to consistently downplay the very notion that ordinary gamers were actively and actually concerned about games journalism. I haven't read the 4chan logs posted above, and I've no doubt a lot of trolls had a field day with the whole thing, but I listened to a hell of a lot of streams about the issue back then, and the dozens of hours of conversation revolved around the notion of corruption in the games journalism industry, rather than how girls are smelly and ugly.

Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #241 on: August 10, 2018, 01:43:50 PM »
To be fair, games journalism was/is a bit questionable.  I wrote a few reviews for a magazine when I was about 16... you can bet your backside we were asked "please try to keep it positive, as they're paying us for this / asked us to in exchange for a free copy" on a regular basis, and to try and be subtle about it and throw in the odd harmless criticism etc.  Though on that subject, one could just as equally complain about ethics in Youtube tech reviews, Amazon reviews etc.

But the thing with games is they're so subjective.  Classic example, people rag the fuck on anything with Sonic in the title just because that seems to be a title people love to hate.  But I know people who actively play and love those games and see nothing wrong with them.

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« Reply #242 on: August 10, 2018, 03:02:09 PM »
To be fair, games journalism was/is a bit questionable.

Of course it is! Not only is it overwhelmingly written by blockheaded nerds who can't write - the sort of people who pepper their reviews with words like "ultimately" and write "title" instead of "game" because they think it makes them sound all journalistic - it's also corrupt.

But it's corrupt in completely boring, shitty, unremarkable ways. Dinners bought, freebies posted, backs scratched, ingratiating phone calls placed, veiled threats made, loyalties forged - just like, for example, film reviews, or the restaurant racket. There is no conspiracy of shagging. Just normal, boring human relationships.

How could the gamergaters be so scandalised by Quinn Whatserface when every hardware manufacturer has licensed its own magazines? How are "ethics in video game journalism" defined in Nintendo Power?

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #243 on: August 10, 2018, 03:09:50 PM »
To be fair, games journalism was/is a bit questionable.

I don't really want to wade in to topic, but games journalism has always been shit. It's never really been more than reguritating press releases.

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« Reply #244 on: August 10, 2018, 03:15:44 PM »
I always jump on an opportunity to post this essay about how shit video game reviews are (for reasons other than corruption etc): http://tevisthompson.com/on-videogame-reviews/

It articulates the problem of "consensus" and the lack of imagination and diversity of opinion compared to other criticism. And attacks a lot of dogma that continues to plague all discussion of nerdy arts.

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This cult of objectivity has it exactly backwards.  They want it to be one way.  But it’s the other way.  A good review is openly, flagrantly, unabashedly subjective.  It goes all in with the reviewer’s biases.  It claims them for what they really are – not tastes, not mere opinions, but values.  It is a full-throated expression of one person’s experience of a game.  This is the authority it claims – the player’s.  And how could it be any other way?  How can a reviewer get outside him or herself?
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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #245 on: August 10, 2018, 03:22:37 PM »
Kotaku and Polygon both made statements forbidding their writers from supporting any further game dev patreons, with an exception later added if it was the only way they could secure footage for a feature.

I'm not sure Kermode buying an Exorcist bluray is at all an apt comparison, to be honest. The most egregious examples of conflict of interest were probably perpetrated by Patricia Hernandez, who gave positive coverage to her landlord/friend without disclosing the nature of their relationship. Then she went ahead and did the same thing with someone she was dating.
The Hernandez thing is obviously bad, but it's a much worse comparison than buying a BluRay. Where is the conflict of interest in being a patron? At worst it shows the reviewer is a fan of the developer, so might be more forgiving in a review than they would be otherwise. But being completely impartial to a developer isn't something we'd expect from reviewers in any other medium, and banning reviewers from being a patron doesn't stop them having favourites.
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I dunno, it just seems like people still want to consistently downplay the very notion that ordinary gamers were actively and actually concerned about games journalism. I haven't read the 4chan logs posted above, and I've no doubt a lot of trolls had a field day with the whole thing, but I listened to a hell of a lot of streams about the issue back then, and the dozens of hours of conversation revolved around the notion of corruption in the games journalism industry, rather than how girls are smelly and ugly.
When you have stuff like Driver 3 and Rise of the Robots (sorry my references are hugely out of date), worrying about reviewers giving their friends good reviews seems a bit pointless. (edit: other posters have commented better about the problems of games journalism).

Then you have stuff like having meets at Five Guys and it's hard to take seriously.

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« Reply #246 on: August 10, 2018, 03:24:36 PM »
Darkstalkers and Soul Calibur for me. Shameful.



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« Reply #247 on: August 10, 2018, 03:48:41 PM »


This issue was a special issue for me.

Mine was an issue of CVG with Felicia on the cover. God almighty. It was a hormonal time.

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #248 on: August 10, 2018, 04:54:31 PM »
I didn't know people actually masturbated to Dead or Alive. The entire thing is so desperate for you to wank over it that it's impossible to actually do so. You can actually hear the horny middle-aged Japanese game developer whispering "WANK. WANK. WANK." in your ear while you try to play the game. It's one step up from a pornographic doodle on the side of a notebook. It's like when a school bully comes up, shoves you, and says he fucked your mother - the entire thing is such a desperately calculated ploy to make you angry that you can't actually get angry.

And Darkstalkers, fucking hell. My testicles actually shrivelled and ascended back into my body when I saw how dreadful the character designs were. It almost made me lose the ability to be sexually aroused by anything ever again. I would genuinely be fine with all future babies being neutered at birth if it saves us from people drawing designs like that and thinking "oh yeah, this is something to show to other humans. This is something I want my name listed under "CHARACTER DESIGN" on in the credits".

Have there ever been videogames marketed with over-the-top """sexy""" male characters? Not counting bishounen shit or this picture that PC Gamer use for everything Witcher related.

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #249 on: August 10, 2018, 05:00:02 PM »
Talking about awful game marketing, and semi-relevant to the thread, check this out too:
https://twitter.com/oleivarrudi/status/854462648078958592

"Around the year 2000, there were a few attempts at combining "lad mag" and video game magazine, it was about as embarrassing as you'd expect"



Just fucking look at that. It's completely put me off Tomb Raider, the PlayStation, video games in general, sex, magazines, humans, peaches, and existence itself. The more you look at this image, the more you can feel your mind disintegrate.

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« Reply #250 on: August 10, 2018, 05:05:20 PM »

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #252 on: August 10, 2018, 06:36:15 PM »
Just fucking look at that. It's completely put me off Tomb Raider, the PlayStation, video games in general, sex, magazines, humans, peaches, and existence itself.

But you're still cool with Jamie Kennedy, right?

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #253 on: August 10, 2018, 06:43:15 PM »
To be fair, games journalism was/is a bit questionable.  I wrote a few reviews for a magazine when I was about 16... you can bet your backside we were asked "please try to keep it positive, as they're paying us for this / asked us to in exchange for a free copy" on a regular basis, and to try and be subtle about it and throw in the odd harmless criticism etc.  Though on that subject, one could just as equally complain about ethics in Youtube tech reviews, Amazon reviews etc.

But the thing with games is they're so subjective.  Classic example, people rag the fuck on anything with Sonic in the title just because that seems to be a title people love to hate.  But I know people who actively play and love those games and see nothing wrong with them.

Yeah, the relationship between publishers and games critics has been corrupt as flipping heck for decades. One of the reasons Amiga Power was hated in the industry was because they gave review scores based on how good they actually thought the games were, as opposed to scores that would keep the games publishers happy and ensure the magazine was still given exclusives, which was common practice among the less ethical games mags.

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« Reply #254 on: August 10, 2018, 06:59:23 PM »
I fucking subscribed to Official Nintendo Magazine in the Wii era, like a twat. Nothing but adverts and puff pieces and Gold Award reviews for every single main Nintendo title, and they fucking published a criticism I made on the forums about Super Mario Galaxy 2 and exaggerated it to make me look like a miserable cynic. YOU KNOW WHAT I'm starting to fucking empathise with these GamerGaters, fuck games journalism. Sign me up Funcrusher.

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« Reply #255 on: August 10, 2018, 07:13:30 PM »

I dunno, it just seems like people still want to consistently downplay the very notion that ordinary gamers were actively and actually concerned about games journalism. I haven't read the 4chan logs posted above, and I've no doubt a lot of trolls had a field day with the whole thing, but I listened to a hell of a lot of streams about the issue back then, and the dozens of hours of conversation revolved around the notion of corruption in the games journalism industry, rather than how girls are smelly and ugly.

Well, exactly - I'm assuming you didn't hear the word 'whore' more often than the word 'journalist'. You don't have to think that everyone involved in Gamergate was a shining moral examplar to find the 'evil misogynerd plot' narrative ridiculously one sided and easily countered with examples. Arguably Gamergate showed up the cosy clique in other areas of journalism as the gaming journos mates in other online outlets and at Huff post, The Grauniad et al just parroted the anti_GG narrative without ever bothering to report the other side at all.

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« Reply #256 on: August 10, 2018, 07:19:01 PM »
I hate this idea that you have to report all sides of everything as valid. If someone says cows are black and white and someone else says cows are orange, you don't have to report 'Cows Are Orange'. That's not balance.

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« Reply #257 on: August 10, 2018, 07:27:04 PM »
I hate this idea that you have to report all sides of everything as valid. If someone says cows are black and white and someone else says cows are orange, you don't have to report 'Cows Are Orange'. That's not balance.

It's kind of worrying how prevalent this kind of idea is becoming.

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #258 on: August 10, 2018, 07:29:54 PM »
You're right, it is.

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #259 on: August 10, 2018, 08:12:22 PM »
I fucking subscribed to Official Nintendo Magazine in the Wii era, like a twat. Nothing but adverts and puff pieces and Gold Award reviews for every single main Nintendo title, and they fucking published a criticism I made on the forums about Super Mario Galaxy 2 and exaggerated it to make me look like a miserable cynic. YOU KNOW WHAT I'm starting to fucking empathise with these GamerGaters, fuck games journalism. Sign me up Funcrusher.

Fuck you your a twat for that

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« Reply #260 on: August 10, 2018, 09:02:42 PM »
And Darkstalkers, fucking hell. My testicles actually shrivelled and ascended back into my body when I saw how dreadful the character designs were. It almost made me lose the ability to be sexually aroused by anything ever again. I would genuinely be fine with all future babies being neutered at birth if it saves us from people drawing designs like that and thinking "oh yeah, this is something to show to other humans. This is something I want my name listed under "CHARACTER DESIGN" on in the credits".

I hope you do lose the ability to become sexually aroused, and also die.

Edit: I'm sorry I don't know what came over me.
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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #261 on: August 10, 2018, 10:03:53 PM »
Rich talk from the man who doesn't like Space Channel 5.

Or Shenmue! Shenmue is actually what restored my sexual function after Darkstalkers.

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #262 on: August 10, 2018, 11:22:41 PM »
I've been using Reddit to read about specific games I'm playing and to look at cute videos of dogs, but I'm thinking I might have to take a break from the internet for a bit. There are just too many awful people on it and it's breaking my brain. There are just too many people claiming identities which basically mark them out as members of bullshit internet tribes which are just collections of terrible people:

Incels, Braincels, MGTOWs, MRAs, Redpillers FeMRAs etc- Jeez, some people just really hate women, don't they? Including lots of actual women. And if you're not one of those women it's fucking scary.

Childfree. I have never wanted children and at first I welcomed the use of a term which sounds positive- "I'm not childless by circumstance, I'm childfree by choice, please don't pity me, I'm doing fine"... but fucking hell, some of these types are just utter cunts. "I'm not like those brainwashed people who cave in to society's pressure to breed, I'm far too clever to have children". Plus a disturbing amount of body-shaming, slut-shaming and ablism, with a lot of people hinting that eugenics is A Good Thing.

"As an introvert..." These twats pop up everywhere and they can fuck the fuck off. I've become a bit fascinated by the whole introversion/extroversion thing lately and have concluded that it's just a sneaky way of flogging crappy self-help books to navel-gazing twats. It tells people that needing the odd night in watching Netflix doesn't make them totally bog-standard average, but is in fact a rare trait and a sign that they are very clever. It also tells people "The problem isn't you, it's all those dumb normies, so you just keep being awesome!" and in a world where most self-help books advise "you can change, but it won't be easy", I can see why "it's simple: you need to do fuck-all" is so appealing.

Atheists. While I am godless myself, I read The God Delusion back when it came out and found it a bit embarrassing even then...

Gamers, of course. I've been asked "Are you a casual gamer?" before (to my face, not online) and the question was just utterly baffling- what the fuck does that even mean? I don't get all the current hate for Fortnite either- while admittedly I am bored of it myself, I can understand why it's so popular- for a start, it's free... and is enjoying a daft but fun game for fuck-all really such a bad thing?

I keep being reminded of how spoiled we all are with CaB...
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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #263 on: August 10, 2018, 11:47:29 PM »
To go back to the OP...

Drama has always been a core of internet behaviour. With pre-Gamergate campaigns, such as Project Chanology (as pointed out by popcorn) the drama element was underplayed in the coverage because the baddies were proper baddies. But as that was happening, poor ordinary schlubs were being mercilessly attacked for being slightly weird, and had their lives ruined. The list is too long to go through, but a ten minute browse of Encyclopaedia Dramatica should familiarise you with the biggest names. With Gamergate, the sincere campaigning aspect of Project Chanology (and other phenomena like LulzSec) crashed into the pure drama lolz of everyday internet business, and an unstoppable force met an immovable object.

The idea that a significant and very noisy core of Gamergate wasn't misogynist is ludicrous, and only the truly desperate are still trying to claim this. But I think the Chanology angle of Gamergate — the problem of shitty games journalism — was a major reason why it got traction at the beginning. People were primed for the lid to be lifted off the unethical link between games journalism and publishers, but instead they allowed their suspicion of SJWs and (for some more than others) females to lead them away from this issue and into an obsessive and vicious crusade against a handful of Wrong Women. Maybe even more than this, the idea that games journalism should be objective was a significant ideological beam. That Zoe Quinn made 'unobjective' games — that is, games not designed for arcade playability, but in order to generate a subjective (narrative based) response in the player that had little to do with game mechanics — only made her seem more like a legitimate target. That the story was exposed through drama was, at the beginning at least, only icing on the cake. As Blue Jam mentioned above, the casual nature of these games, and the way they were associated with women, is not irrelevant.

Drama and campaign were combined in Gamergate. And alongside that combination were a number of negative gaming tropes — subjective, casual — which were associated with women. All of this pushed things towards mass shitposting of a misogynist bent. It meant that even people who weren't motivated by a hatred of women had to qualify this again and again. By which point it was too late. All anyone opposed had to do was, correctly, point out that a significant chunk of Gamergate was motivated by misogyny and then dismiss all the complaints out of hand. But what were they supposed to do? They saw the mind-numbingly insignificant Zoe Quinn being branded as some kind of slut Maleficent; of course they're going to assume that her attackers are women-hating troglodytes. So a load of 4channers somehow lost the game of perception management to a bunch of sleep-woking liberals. Great work, guys.

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« Reply #264 on: August 11, 2018, 12:59:04 AM »
Well, glad it's not just me or the awful Gamergater types who noticed there were problems with reviews etc.  It has indeed been a problem for a while

I mean, on the other side of the coin, people do also get too fucking miserable about stuff. 

Just makes reviews pretty pointless in general really

I didn't know people actually masturbated to Dead or Alive.

When I was younger and stupider etc there was a Dead or Alive beach volleyball game with a nude patch.  And yes.


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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #265 on: August 11, 2018, 01:23:31 AM »
I didn't know people actually masturbated to Dead or Alive.

Well, I got pretty excited by the Prey: Mooncrash trailer:

https://youtu.be/GbLAq5U9Sh0

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #266 on: August 11, 2018, 10:35:29 AM »

Drama has always been a core of internet behaviour. With pre-Gamergate campaigns, such as Project Chanology (as pointed out by popcorn) the drama element was underplayed in the coverage because the baddies were proper baddies. But as that was happening, poor ordinary schlubs were being mercilessly attacked for being slightly weird, and had their lives ruined. The list is too long to go through, but a ten minute browse of Encyclopaedia Dramatica should familiarise you with the biggest names. z of everyday internet business, and an unstoppable force met an immovable object.

To this day prominent Scientology critics have nothing but good to say about the effect Anonymous had on the existing campaign against the 'church', at a time when the media were very leery about covering it because of the massive legal costs Time magazine had incurred after they were sued. Certainly there were plenty in Anonymous who were in it for the lulz and edgelordery, but the core group were clearly about taking on Scientology and did an effective job of it. The same could be said about Gamergate but then and now certain woke nerds won't hear that any individual involved at any time was about anything other than misogyny and the sending of rape threats.


 But I think the Chanology angle of Gamergate — the problem of shitty games journalism — was a major reason why it got traction at the beginning. People were primed for the lid to be lifted off the unethical link between games journalism and publishers, but instead they allowed their suspicion of SJWs and (for some more than others) females to lead them away from this issue and into an obsessive and vicious crusade against a handful of Wrong Women.

Did it get traction at the beginning? The 'gamers are over' misogyny charges started pretty much from the off. Since the story that started the whole thing off centred around Zoe Quinn and she was a woman then obviously it was just all about misogyny, and that line was trotted out by the mainstream press as well.

Maybe even more than this, the idea that games journalism should be objective was a significant ideological beam. That Zoe Quinn made 'unobjective' games — that is, games not designed for arcade playability, but in order to generate a subjective (narrative based) response in the player that had little to do with game mechanics — only made her seem more like a legitimate target.

This sounds like a bit of a reach.


 All anyone opposed had to do was, correctly, point out that a significant chunk of Gamergate was motivated by misogyny and then dismiss all the complaints out of hand. But what were they supposed to do? They saw the mind-numbingly insignificant Zoe Quinn being branded as some kind of slut Maleficent; of course they're going to assume that her attackers are women-hating troglodytes. So a load of 4channers somehow lost the game of perception management to a bunch of sleep-woking liberals. Great work, guys.

Well, the sleep-woking liberals had their sleep-woke pals elsewhere to propagate a completely one-sided version, so perception management would have been pretty difficult, particularly since all this is rooted in the established stereotype of nerdy males as angry virgins, which continues to surface every time.

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #267 on: August 11, 2018, 10:50:41 AM »
To go back to the OP...

Drama has always been a core of internet behaviour. With pre-Gamergate campaigns, such as Project Chanology (as pointed out by popcorn) the drama element was underplayed in the coverage because the baddies were proper baddies. But as that was happening, poor ordinary schlubs were being mercilessly attacked for being slightly weird, and had their lives ruined. The list is too long to go through, but a ten minute browse of Encyclopaedia Dramatica should familiarise you with the biggest names. With Gamergate, the sincere campaigning aspect of Project Chanology (and other phenomena like LulzSec) crashed into the pure drama lolz of everyday internet business, and an unstoppable force met an immovable object.

The idea that a significant and very noisy core of Gamergate wasn't misogynist is ludicrous, and only the truly desperate are still trying to claim this. But I think the Chanology angle of Gamergate — the problem of shitty games journalism — was a major reason why it got traction at the beginning. People were primed for the lid to be lifted off the unethical link between games journalism and publishers, but instead they allowed their suspicion of SJWs and (for some more than others) females to lead them away from this issue and into an obsessive and vicious crusade against a handful of Wrong Women. Maybe even more than this, the idea that games journalism should be objective was a significant ideological beam. That Zoe Quinn made 'unobjective' games — that is, games not designed for arcade playability, but in order to generate a subjective (narrative based) response in the player that had little to do with game mechanics — only made her seem more like a legitimate target. That the story was exposed through drama was, at the beginning at least, only icing on the cake. As Blue Jam mentioned above, the casual nature of these games, and the way they were associated with women, is not irrelevant.

Drama and campaign were combined in Gamergate. And alongside that combination were a number of negative gaming tropes — subjective, casual — which were associated with women. All of this pushed things towards mass shitposting of a misogynist bent. It meant that even people who weren't motivated by a hatred of women had to qualify this again and again. By which point it was too late. All anyone opposed had to do was, correctly, point out that a significant chunk of Gamergate was motivated by misogyny and then dismiss all the complaints out of hand. But what were they supposed to do? They saw the mind-numbingly insignificant Zoe Quinn being branded as some kind of slut Maleficent; of course they're going to assume that her attackers are women-hating troglodytes. So a load of 4channers somehow lost the game of perception management to a bunch of sleep-woking liberals. Great work, guys.

Did the OP ask for a potted history of Gamergate or is this your homework

Send it off to forbes.com son

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #268 on: August 11, 2018, 10:54:31 AM »
Darkstalkers and Soul Calibur for me. Shameful.

Wanked to Rogue's arse in Marvel Vs Capcom 2.

Man alive, how desperate was I?

Let's pretend I didn't just spend half an hour looking for the sprite sheet to embed.

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Re: It turns out everyone is horrible (tw: possible GamerGate thread)
« Reply #269 on: August 11, 2018, 11:15:41 AM »
Kotaku and Polygon both made statements forbidding their writers from supporting any further game dev patreons, with an exception later added if it was the only way they could secure footage for a feature.

I'm not sure Kermode buying an Exorcist bluray is at all an apt comparison, to be honest. The most egregious examples of conflict of interest were probably perpetrated by Patricia Hernandez, who gave positive coverage to her landlord/friend without disclosing the nature of their relationship. Then she went ahead and did the same thing with someone she was dating.

Buying an Exorcist Blu-ray is a closer equivalent to paying into a Patreon than that.

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I dunno, it just seems like people still want to consistently downplay the very notion that ordinary gamers were actively and actually concerned about games journalism.

I'm sure they were. But the Gamergate "movement" sprang out of a minor (female) indie dev who made free games shagging a bloke who mentioned her in passing twice and interviewed her once for a state-of-the-industry piece.

Not a major game studio buying goodwill with ad purchases or freebies or press junkets. Not Jeff Gerstmann being fired from Kotaku for giving poor scores to Kane + Lynch 2. A minor (female) indie dev who made Depression Quest. Who gained a couple of hundred words of copy out of the relationship, if indeed she was sleeping with the journo for that reason and not just because she wasn't happy in her relationship, or was weak-willed or any number of other reasons people cheat on their partners. And then a (female) YouTuber who made some bland feminist critiques of video games.

No doubt people were (and are) concerned or annoyed about corruption in video game journalism. I certainly am, having grown up with Amiga Power's strident "fuck you, we'll say what we think" philosophy.

But that isn't what Gamergate was actually about. So "downplaying" the geniune concern for some people about video game journos is really more like accurately reflecting what Gamergate was all about - which is socially maladjusted men (and a few useful idiot women) lashing out at "SJWs" (and scary, non-compliant women) they saw as encroaching on their identity.