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Trump number 8

Started by Fambo Number Mive, August 23, 2018, 08:19:52 AM

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Will Trump be re-elected in 2020?

Yes because we're all fucked now
21 (38.2%)
Aye, probably
14 (25.5%)
No because Trump will eventually trip himself up
0 (0%)
No because the Democrats will triumph
2 (3.6%)
I HEAR YOU'RE A RACIST NOW FATHER
4 (7.3%)
Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy and Stuart Sutcliffe
1 (1.8%)
It's all pointless - like bringing a knife to a gun party (Sandford, 18/06/16)
0 (0%)
Rode slipshod over all dumbshits, he were curious orange
1 (1.8%)
Search for "Goatse" increased by 600% since election outcome
2 (3.6%)
Pee Tape emerges with no real impact other than increased awareness of prostate check
0 (0%)
Trump steps down, Pence rises like a greying Ken doll found in a sewer full of pig fat
0 (0%)
In the episode, Captain Kirk stands trial on charges of negligence after a crewman fakes his own death.
0 (0%)
Imagine the size of his balls
0 (0%)
Obama emerges from the void screaming PULL YOUR PANTS UP, DAD'S HOME
0 (0%)
Not as good as The Wire
1 (1.8%)
Raoul Moat
3 (5.5%)
PLEASE GAS THIS WHITEHOUSE OF CUNTS
2 (3.6%)
Sauron falls through the bar
0 (0%)
As predicted by Frank T. J. Mackie
0 (0%)
Carry On Up The Arse
2 (3.6%)
The Mueller-Lite Effect
0 (0%)
The Further Adventures of Snow White Supremacist and the Fifteen Stupid Twats
0 (0%)
Trump re-elected as man plays Bela Lugosi's Dead on a tuba made of smegma
1 (1.8%)
#NotAllFAtStupidYanks
0 (0%)
I had a fat stupid yank in me car once, made a right fuckin mess
1 (1.8%)

Total Members Voted: 55

rjd2

Amused to see the resistance grifters and neo-cons having a fit over Trump pulling the troops out of Syria. 

rjd2

#1141
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1075465760368193543

Yes sir.
Bolton I assume fuming as much as the supposed "liberal " media today.

Just a shame that John Mc Cain is not alive for today.

Ferris

Hush money payments? They don't exist.

And even if they did, I didn't know about them.

And even if I did, my lawyer did it without me directing him.

And even if I did, it wasn't to influence the campaign.

And even if it was, it's not illegal because... err...

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/422139-giuliani-makes-new-defense-of-stormy-daniels-karen-mcdougal

Petey Pate

Trump throws the Syrian Kurds under a bus, immediately after talking to Erdogan on the phone and a £3.5 million arms deal between the US and Turkey.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/trump-syria-turkey-troop-withdrawal.html

rjd2

The US should not have been their in the first place. Its not a popular war whatsoever with the US public, its expensive and has produced a lot of deaths. Those who seem most upset with those are the hawks who can only get hard at the thought of America bringing that wonderful democracy to the rest of the world.

But oh noes, Graham, Rubio, Resistance fuckwits and mainstream media who only praise Trump when he looks like he might get tough with Assad "finally he is a statesman" are upset.

Might be one of the few not awful things Trump does in his reign of terror.

EDIT...

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1075549230960443393

Fucking hell, non stop "MUH RUSSIA " takes from crappy  but prominent journalists.


Urinal Cake

He's still picking a winner- Turkey. I suspect if Iran intervenes  and threatens whatever Pax Trump the US will send troops back in.

Paul Calf

Yeah, he's definitely done it because he cares deeply about the plight of Syrians. Hurrah for Trump!

ajsmith2

Ben Garrison reckons the troops have been recalled to help build the wall.

Petey Pate

The serious concern over Trump withdrawing US troops is that Turkey has been threatening an imminent invasion of northern Syria. Aside from the (illegal) occupation of Afrin earlier this year, the Turkish military has recently been sniping at civilians across the Turkish/Syrian border and bombing Kurdish/Yazidi regions in Iraq. Trump has essentially given Erdogan the green light to carry out full frontal ethnic cleansing. Of course, the US alliance with the SDF/YPG was only ever going to last as long as they were fighting ISIS, so the news is hardly a shock, plus Trump has long been saying that this was his intention.

The idea that Trump's decision is motivated by any humanitarian concerns or anti-imperialism is utterly laughable.

biggytitbo

The US is illegally occupying a third of Syria, after a failed, illegal regime change operation that destabilized the entire region and prolonged the conflict leading to thousands more deaths, so the US finally getting out of the mess they've created is Trump doing something genuinely good for once.


But yet again this unholy alliance of rebranded neocons and the liberal media and celebs lose their shit, either beause its Trump doing it or theyre empire pissbabies who think the trail of death and destruction the US leaves wherever it goes is somehow a good and noble thing.

Petey Pate

The blindspot certain western leftists have regarding the secular, feminist and ecological revolution in Rojava (a.k.a the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria) never fails to mystify me. The US are obviously not political allies of theirs, and military cooperation with the Kurdish forces was only temporary, but this is still a brazen betrayal, especially in the context of Trump's arms deal with Erdogan (a similar Turkish-Russian arms deal fell through recently, so clearly the US wants to maintain its influence).

By the way, ISIS are still a presence in Raqqa, despite Trump's claims of their defeat. No doubt Jihadi extremists will be recruited by the Turkish military in their onslaught against the YPG, as was in the case in Afrin.

jobotic

Quote from: Petey Pate on December 20, 2018, 11:42:00 AM
The blindspot certain western leftists have regarding the secular, feminist and ecological revolution in Rojava (a.k.a the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria) never fails to mystify me. The US are obviously not political allies of theirs, and military cooperation with the Kurdish forces was only temporary, but this is still a brazen betrayal, especially in the context of Trump's arms deal with Erdogan (a similar Turkish-Russian arms deal fell through recently, so clearly the US wants to maintain its influence).

By the way, ISIS are still a presence in Raqqa, despite Trump's claims of their defeat. No doubt Jihadi extremists will be recruited by the Turkish military in their onslaught against the YPG, as was in the case in Afrin.

+1

I look forward to being told that those of us not cheering on the forthcoming slaughter of Kurdish socialists so as to facilitate an arms deal are sheeple of the Western Neoliberals etc etc etc and on and on and fucking on

Dex Sawash

Can someone find or create one of those lolvideos that has Trump saying "I love wikifeet"

Source material.   https://youtu.be/mUtT0b0EnSw


garnish

Quote from: jobotic on December 20, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
+1

I look forward to being told that those of us not cheering on the forthcoming slaughter of Kurdish socialists so as to facilitate an arms deal are sheeple of the Western Neoliberals etc etc etc and on and on and fucking on

Biggy's already done that a few posts up tbf, so good to get that out the way early.

biggytitbo

Anyone relying on the American military to solve complex geopolitical issues is living in a dreamworld. They create most of them.

Bleeding Kansas

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075732375169060869

Turns out we don't even need a wall. Stop talking about the wall guys. Quit going on about it. Everything is fine.

garnish

Quote from: biggytitbo on December 20, 2018, 12:56:39 PM
Anyone relying on the American military to solve complex geopolitical issues is living in a dreamworld. They create most of them.

Thanks Biggy, this is breaking news.

hummingofevil

Fair play to Trump for working out America shouldn't have its military in every corner of the Earth whilst spending a trillion dollars a year on them. The cops are going to inherit some heavy duty gear in a couple of years.

ajsmith2

Coulter unloads:

'"it'll just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populist for a while, but he'll have no legacy whatsoever.'

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/19/ann-coulter-trump-joke-presidency-scam-border-wall-flynn-sentencing-podcast/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=engagement

Alberon

Quote from: Bleeding Kansas on December 20, 2018, 01:06:09 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075732375169060869

Turns out we don't even need a wall. Stop talking about the wall guys. Quit going on about it. Everything is fine.


Oh. That's good news.

Maybe the ill-informed dullard that keeps banging on about it will shut up now.

Howj Begg

Quote from: Alberon on December 20, 2018, 01:14:55 PM
Oh. That's good news.

Maybe the ill-informed dullard that keeps banging on about it will shut up now.

speaking of these, this post has aged well:

Quote from: biggytitbo on October 21, 2018, 02:14:31 PM

Ha yes I saw that politico article. I didn't want to mention it because it's a bit ungracious to say I told you so, but it's been abundantly clear for at least a year to anyone outside of the msm shit bubble that this was an operation by the democrats and their sympathisers in the intelligence agencies to fuck Trump, that got massively out of control and out of hand, way beyond probably what they had ever intended, and now they need to as quietly as possibly row back because it is and always was TOTAL BULLSHIT.

to be fair, was other ppl on paul's thread with the same hot takes.

Blumf

Quote from: ajsmith2 on December 20, 2018, 01:14:06 PM
'"it'll just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populist for a while, but he'll have no legacy whatsoever.'

Is she talking about Bush Jr.?

manticore

Quote from: biggytitbo on December 20, 2018, 12:56:39 PM
Anyone relying on the American military to solve complex geopolitical issues is living in a dreamworld. They create most of them.

How do you think the Kurds should be defended, biggy? Just because the liberal media are full of the usual hypocritical crap about the Syria withdrawl doesn't mean that what they say about the huge dangers to the Kurds aren't true. The US have been defending the Kurds and there needs to be an alternative plan.

What do you suggest?

mojo filters

Quote from: hummingofevil on December 20, 2018, 01:12:12 PM
Fair play to Trump for working out America shouldn't have its military in every corner of the Earth whilst spending a trillion dollars a year on them. The cops are going to inherit some heavy duty gear in a couple of years.

Obviously there have been problems with various US military actions in the last two decades, intervening unnecessarily with no proper endgame planning - producing unfortunate results, which are misappropriated into garnering popular support for Trump's current military foreign policy.

However there are still strategically useful places around the world, where the US presence helps both America and the host country, plus often at a net benefit as opposed to an unnecessary cost.

Trump has been trying to reduce international troop deployments ever since taking office. He's demonstrated his inability to understand how western countries can best utilise the levers of power, through reducing these issues to merely a misconstrued notion around unnecessary expenditure.

Trump has co-opted the Steve Bannon anti-globalist policy positions, to cover for the fact that he is unable to conceive nor formulate complex coherent policies of his own. He has been unable to enact many of his more extreme military foreign policies, as he looks at each situation in a vacuum rather than seeing the full picture. Unfortunately there has been less effective resistance to his simplistic trade solutions, hence the tariffs resulting from his inability to understand the differences between trading deficits and actual debt (ie costs to the American economy).

These military policy positions are akin to his approach to foreign trade. Trump cannot cope with multilateral negotiations or agreements, hence he cancelled the Trans Pacific Partnership that Obama's team worked so hard on and which had the support of all mainstream economic authorities, as well as most of his own party in Congress.

Tinkering with NAFTA showed how challenging even friendly trilateral situations are to Trump. The most notable part of the new USMCA for average Americans, will be the extra syllables involved in attempting to pronounce it - as it merely updated NAFTA in line with existing mainstream expectations.

Even when Steve Bannon was working as Chief Strategist in the White House, his alliance with Trump on this area of foreign trade and military policy was not sufficient to overcome the multitude of common sense objections to such an extreme anti-globalist agenda.

It's very telling that it's taken this long for Trump to get his (and purely coincidentally the Russians) way in Syria. From the start of his administration he has been blindly trying to reduce overseas troop deployments, whenever he finds out about them. Fortunately his short attention span allowed folks like Gary Cohen, Rob Porter and H.R. McMaster to slow-walk most of his policy extremes back, while Trump simply moved on to his next dumb idea.

Initially Steve Bannon was on hand to provide political rationale in support of these moves. Regardless of your opinion of Bannon's views and tactics, it's hard to ignore the academic depth of knowledge and study he is able to deploy, in presenting the kind of coherent political arguments Trump is happy to appropriate where convenient, without any desire to actually understand them himself.

Currently Trump has to make do with young Stephen Miller. A preposterous ideologue who got into the West Wing as Bannon's typist and coffee boy, but has managed to stay around and attempt to offer strategic political advice - some of which is too extreme even for Trump!

Everyone from apolitical pragmatists such as Defense Secretary Jim Matiss, through hawkish foreign policy extremists like National Security Adviser John Bolton, to shameless Trump enabler, apologist and normally unquestioning supporter Secretary of State Mike Pompeo - have all advised against moves such as this Syrian withdrawal, purely due to serious fundamental national security concerns.

Cancelling his meeting yesterday with Bob Corker (chair of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations) shows up Trump's inability to work with Congress and even his own party, when it comes to such important policy decisions. Trump's failure to even make a normal formal announcement, indicates the lack of confidence his own communications team must have around his ability to roll out this key policy change.

Making this announcement from the cowardly remove of his Twitter feed suggests an overall lack of confidence in his message. I suspect anticipation of the reaction to this, was why Sarah Sanders decided to rush her absurdly short and poorly received press conference on Tuesday. At least her nonsensical and embarrassing defence of Trump's pro-Mike Flynn propaganda will be quickly forgotten!

Far from codifying the fantastical notion that ISIS have now been defeated, Trump has handed various strategic advantages to Russia, Turkey, Iran, the Assad regime in Syria, plus ISIS itself - via the political and military vacuum created in Syria, plus affected surrounding regions.

The strong reactions from Congressional Republicans in no way signify any significant change, in respect of their regular supine and spineless support for Trump. As with the recent Saudi Arabian issue, these foreign policy controversies have little impact on the core pro-Trump Republican base - hence their critical words have no significant electoral implications.

Whilst the timing of this decision might have caught such folks off guard, the policy itself has been telegraphed by Trump quite consistently - hence informed elected representatives can't really claim to be surprised. I guess they were familiar with the pushback Trump was getting from his own team, presumably hoping that would be sufficient to keep this policy at bay.

Trump still commands an iron grip on the party base. If Congressional Republicans expected criticism of this Syria policy to impact their re-election chances, we would only have heard from the likes of Bob Corker and Jeff Flake.

The party base favours blind loyalty to Trump, over the solid conservative political credentials of those two Senators forced into retirement through the risk of facing strong primary opposition prior to the midterms. Flake's family history is so entrenched in Arizona Republican politics, they even named a town after him!

If this move enables and emboldens a resurgent ISIS, this criticism of Trump will serve to provide political cover to those up for re-election in 2020, if the policy fails and any fallout becomes an issue at the next election.

Interestingly in a White House press briefing by phone today, the spokesperson could not offer any timeline for the troop withdrawal, nor clarify whether there might still be remote air strikes launched against enemies left in Syria.

BlodwynPig


Urinal Cake

Quote from: manticore on December 20, 2018, 05:00:47 PM
How do you think the Kurds should be defended, biggy? Just because the liberal media are full of the usual hypocritical crap about the Syria withdrawl doesn't mean that what they say about the huge dangers to the Kurds aren't true. The US have been defending the Kurds and there needs to be an alternative plan.

What do you suggest?
I suggest making arms deals, air support, Inte, aidl etc conditional on Turkey leaving the Kurds alone and defending them from ISIS. The US still has some leverage.

Mister Six

Mattis out now, presumably as a result of this boneheaded move.

Gen. Mattis Leaving as Defense Secretary at End of February https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-mattis-retiring-at-end-of-february-11545344800

rjd2

Trump floating the idea of withdrawing from Afghanistan probably broke him. The resistance to this from the neocons,resistance grifters and mainstream media will be fierce. Mattis retiring is the start. Its doubtful Trump will have the backbone to withstand it, but he should know that outside of Bill Kristol style war mongers, their is a lot of political mileage to be gained from withdrawing from either or ideally both nations.


rjd2


Captain Z

How is there anyone left in Trump's administration. I don't care enough to follow any more, but every time I see the news someone has resigned or been fired.