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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2018, 02:46:07 PM »
Here's Louis telling a charming story of breaking into the apartment of 2 nurses to jerk off - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2010&v=SppJpqaxs0E

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2018, 02:49:46 PM »
Nah, it’s her sister Laura https://www.someecards.com/entertainment/celebrities/laura-silverman-louis-ck-masturbated-in-front-of-her/

Those allegations are different in some important ways, but I guess still paint a picture of the guy he would become.

I know it sounds cliche and a lot of abusers have been criticised for taking this angle in their statements, but it does seem like having daughters significantly changed him. By the time he had become the most respected comic in the world, he was probably far from the pathetic wank monster he used to be. His attempt to run from the rumours was probably just due to shame.

Here's Louis telling a charming story of breaking into the apartment of 2 nurses to jerk off - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2010&v=SppJpqaxs0E

He was a kid then, but yeah red flags fosho.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2018, 04:18:19 PM »
Yeah the Laura Silverman stuff is different to the workplace wanking, its more of a background thing, showing he had a track record for this kind of behaviour,  I think she just spoke out so the other women who were accusing him would be believed.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2018, 04:44:51 PM »
It doesn't really bother me or Mrs M.

As mentioned upthread who gets to decide what is the right amount of time that he should be away?

Would someone who is self employed have to stop working in the same circumstances? Let the customers decide.

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2018, 05:30:58 PM »
Exactly. I think it's fair to question a comedy club or network for allowing him to perform, but his choice to perform is his own, and the customer can decide whether they still like him or not. If it was a green grocer I wouldn't expect him to lie down and die somewhere - keep selling fruit and I'm sure you'll sell less apples when the customers can't help but think of your wank hands touching them.

I think part of the problem is that he hasn't been arrested for anything, so it's difficult to gauge what his punishment should be. If he did a year in prison I think it would be seen as acceptable to start performing. As it is, the perception is that he's had a holiday.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2018, 05:43:09 PM »
Given his crimes and that he deliberately fucked up the careers of others, I don't think he should be able to return quite frankly. If this was someone like Boris Johnson you'd all be claiming he should be locked up for years and never allowed to return to politics, it's pretty fucking sickening to see people think CK should be able to return.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2018, 05:46:08 PM »
If the creepy willy-wagging cunt came onstage unannounced at a comedy club I was at I'd kick off about it.

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2018, 05:47:38 PM »
If he'd learned anything there would be better ways to make his comeback. Self-finance something to write/direct. Then he'd only be working with people who'd choose to be working with him and he wouldn't be out there in the same kind of environment where he was sexually harassing people. He could have booked a tour in a few places and seen how the tickets sold. He could even have started a podcast where among other things he addressed his behaviour. But to turn up and do a surprise set suggests he learned fuck all.

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2018, 06:10:18 PM »
As mentioned upthread who gets to decide what is the right amount of time that he should be away?

Would someone who is self employed have to stop working in the same circumstances? Let the customers decide.

I shudder to think who his customers are at this stage.

There was an article written by one of the women abused by CK that pointed out how this stuff is never going to go away for them after coming forward. Any comeback by him just opens it all up for them again. You can bet your arse that media outlets are hounding them for quotes on this comeback. If they give a quote there will be endless CK supporting social media twats going after them, and if they don't give a quote they will be accused of enabling him, etc etc. It's a fucking nightmare. Plus he's definitely smart enough to weigh up those kind of consequences, and yet he's still attempting a return.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2018, 06:42:51 PM »
Given his crimes and that he deliberately fucked up the careers of others, I don't think he should be able to return quite frankly. If this was someone like Boris Johnson you'd all be claiming he should be locked up for years and never allowed to return to politics, it's pretty fucking sickening to see people think CK should be able to return.

I agree Louis shouldn't come back. But, stand-up comedy isn't the same as politics, or any other job that is being used for all these false equivalencies. There's a reason those in comedy, music and acting are able to return unlike people in office jobs or whatever, because they are completely different environments.

Also he didn't commit any crimes or deliberately fuck up anyone's career (as far as we know), but that's just splitting hairs.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2018, 06:53:35 PM »
I agree Louis shouldn't come back. But, stand-up comedy isn't the same as politics, or any other job that is being used for all these false equivalencies. There's a reason those in comedy, music and acting are able to return unlike people in office jobs or whatever, because they are completely different environments.

Also he didn't commit any crimes or deliberately fuck up anyone's career (as far as we know), but that's just splitting hairs.

Well his manager was an abject cunt and I doubt CK was unaware of what was going on: https://deadline.com/2017/11/louis-ck-former-manager-dave-becky-sexual-misconduct-scandal-what-i-did-was-wrong-1202207195/

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2018, 07:00:40 PM »
Also he didn't commit any crimes

If the scenario at the Colorado Comedy festival happened as described (and he has admitted that it did) then it counts as indecent exposure, which is a Class 1 misdemeanor in Colorado, meaning that he could face up to 18 months if the women choose to press charges.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2018, 07:08:29 PM »
Plus he's definitely smart enough to weigh up those kind of consequences, and yet he's still attempting a return.

He seems pretty thick to be honest.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2018, 07:09:07 PM »
If the scenario at the Colorado Comedy festival happened as described (and he has admitted that it did) then it counts as indecent exposure, which is a Class 1 misdemeanor in Colorado, meaning that he could face up to 18 months if the women choose to press charges.

Is it indecent exposure? As far as I'm aware, he asked if he could take his dick out, they said yes (even though they were being sarcastic) and he did so in a private room. It's a bit tough to call legally, I think.

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2018, 07:15:33 PM »
In the Aspen case, there is no account that indicates that they said "Yes" or that he gained any kind of affirmed consent. The account the women gave to the NYT is this:

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As soon as they sat down in his room, still wrapped in their winter jackets and hats, Louis C.K. asked if he could take out his penis, the women said.

They thought it was a joke and laughed it off. “And then he really did it,” Ms. Goodman said in an interview with The New York Times. “He proceeded to take all of his clothes off, and get completely naked, and started masturbating.”

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2018, 08:35:16 PM »
If I understand correctly, the accusations date back over 10 years ago (2003-2005) and there's evidence that CK was contacting his victims as early as 2009 to apologize. Maybe I'm naïve but this means a great deal, but no-one else here seems to acknowledge it.
9 months out of the spotlight and starting from scratch seems about right to me.
Well played.

Right, but he did repeatedly deny it for a decade.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2018, 09:18:17 PM »
Now that Louis has been rehabilitated, can we talk about I Love You, Daddy? <SPOILERS!>

I thought it was fine enough, but the character Louis plays completely lost me in the final third of the story. His daughter China is set up as an extremely spoiled and entitled girl who says 'I Love You Daddy' constantly, in order to get what she wants. Louis gives her everything she desires - including a trip to Florida on a private jet. She strikes up a relationship with a 68 year old writer with a reputation as a pervert. He tries to stop her. She goes ballistic. He apologies. She storms off. He says "I fucked up". The film ends with him crawling up to her apologetically.

I don't get it. His daughter is a prick. Is Louis supposed to be some tragic character? 

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2018, 09:31:08 PM »
Nobody never mentions the infidelity aspect to his actions. Fair enough, it was the lesser evil, but don’t forget his constant jokes making himself out as the reasonable, loving one, and his wife a shrewish pain. ‘I love my wife. She hates me. She fucking hates me.’ I think the material about his wife- his daughters too, maybe- take a much darker tone when you consider that she had ample reasons, known or unknown, to fucking hate him.

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2018, 09:32:24 PM »
Also he didn't commit any crimes

He spontaneously disrobed and started masturbating in front of two women with little warning, neither of whom were in an intimate relationship with him. Outside a porn set, orgy or sex club there aren't many places that wouldn't be considered a crime. If you mean he wasn't convicted of a crime and is technically not a criminal then that's being very generous to Slickwilly CK.

He committed acts that could well have got him a court sentence and on the sex offender's register. He's a sex offender as far as I can see.

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2018, 09:41:06 PM »
or deliberately fuck up anyone's career (as far as we know)

"I didn't fuck up anyone's career"

"But you did allow events to transpire that resulted in the careers of many people being fucked up?"

"Yes"

"And people who were employed by you failed to follow up on complaints against you to the degree that they might be pursued against people who were less rich, famous and powerful than you?"

"Yes"

"And you did use your relative power and dominance to put younger, more impressionable people than you in sexually compromising positions that they might have refused to tolerate with a man of less relative power than yourself?"

"I would agree with that, yes"

"And when these allegations surfaced over a year ago with more victims joining in to complain you failed to address these allegations head on and tell the truth, preferring to change the subject and focus entirely on whatever work you were doing at that time?"

"That is true"

"Thank you Mr CK"

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #80 on: August 29, 2018, 09:45:59 PM »
don’t forget his constant jokes making himself out as the reasonable, loving one, and his wife a shrewish pain

He said a lot of stuff on the radio which is very damning of his wife and could be viewed as treacherous and damaging to his children. Parents slagging each other off is terrible on children because they are half of both their parents and most likely are somewhat close to both of them but fuck it, who cares if Louis can get 20 minutes of material for Opie and Anthony.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2018, 09:47:20 PM »
He spontaneously disrobed and started masturbating in front of two women with little warning, neither of whom were in an intimate relationship with him. Outside a porn set, orgy or sex club there aren't many places that wouldn't be considered a crime. If you mean he wasn't convicted of a crime and is technically not a criminal then that's being very generous to Slickwilly CK.

He committed acts that could well have got him a court sentence and on the sex offender's register. He's a sex offender as far as I can see.

I'm not sure about that. Perhaps I misunderstood their "laughed it off" to mean they were jokingly like "oh yeah sure go ahead", but they were very vague about that part. He said that he "used to misread people" and emphasised in his statement that he always asked first (I know that's doesn't make any of this right, by the way). Maybe the fact that they were disturbed by it is enough to get him done.

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2018, 09:54:03 PM »
Apparently his set contained a joke about rape whistles.

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2018, 09:55:43 PM »
Maybe the fact that they were disturbed by it is enough to get him done.

Not just that they were disturbed, it's hardly normal behaviour either. I know it was in his room but if you did that in an office the police would be called. And CK did do stuff like this in one of his offices if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe I'm asking the wrong person but would you get your knob out in front of two work colleagues without consent? It's not normal and well within sex offender territory. Worse considering his power position at the time which I'm in no doubt he was taking advantage of. No way he would have got his knob out in front of the president of Universal studios or the Queen of Denmark because he knows he'd be in deep shit and possibly the jailhouse immediately.

It's classic predatory behaviour.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2018, 09:57:10 PM »
"I didn't fuck up anyone's career"

"But you did allow events to transpire that resulted in the careers of many people being fucked up?"

"Yes"

"And people who were employed by you failed to follow up on complaints against you to the degree that they might be pursued against people who were less rich, famous and powerful than you?"

"Yes"

"And you did use your relative power and dominance to put younger, more impressionable people than you in sexually compromising positions that they might have refused to tolerate with a man of less relative power than yourself?"

"I would agree with that, yes"

"And when these allegations surfaced over a year ago with more victims joining in to complain you failed to address these allegations head on and tell the truth, preferring to change the subject and focus entirely on whatever work you were doing at that time?"

"That is true"

"Thank you Mr CK"

Oh, I thought we were having a reasonable debate, then I noticed this snarky attempt to undermine my (admittedly hair-splitting) argument with an imagined conversation that may not accurately represent the events or CK's attitude about it.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2018, 09:59:49 PM »
He said that he "used to misread people" and emphasised in his statement that he always asked first (I know that's doesn't make any of this right, by the way). Maybe the fact that they were disturbed by it is enough to get him done.

Their being disturbed is neither here nor there. And that he always asked (if it's true) is everything. The sexism in all this is breathtaking. These are women and they're also ADULTS. Say no or walk away. Grow up.

People are acting as if these women are infants. It's just bizarre. All this noisy judging and harrumphing. I hope it's making everyone feel lovely and superior.

Still thought I Love You Daddy was pretty poor, though.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2018, 10:06:19 PM »
Maybe I'm asking the wrong person but would you get your knob out in front of two work colleagues without consent?

Okay, now you're being the unpleasant wanker. I'm not sure what you think we're arguing about, but I'm not saying it was fine and dandy that Louis CK wanted to masturbate in front of women that clearly weren't happy about it.

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Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #87 on: August 29, 2018, 10:07:35 PM »
Their being disturbed is neither here nor there. And that he always asked (if it's true) is everything. The sexism in all this is breathtaking. These are women and they're also ADULTS. Say no or walk away. Grow up.

People are acting as if these women are infants. It's just bizarre. All this noisy judging and harrumphing. I hope it's making everyone feel lovely and superior.

Still thought I Love You Daddy was pretty poor, though.

Do you think Louis was right or wrong to pretend to be sorry?

Re: Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]
« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2018, 10:09:06 PM »
To be fair, he apologised privately years before the Gawker article.

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« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2018, 10:10:17 PM »
To be fair, he apologised privately years before the Gawker article.

He thought he was apologising for shoving a woman into a bathroom, though. I'd still like to know more details about that story. There's a possible crime.