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Louis CK returns to comedy after wankbeast shenanigans [split topic]

Started by up_the_hampipe, August 28, 2018, 08:41:20 AM

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Brundle-Fly

Quote from: grassbath on January 04, 2019, 11:39:04 PM
This floored me when I first saw it, but it feels pretty besmirched now. Not by the wanking stuff - I could just about put that out of my mind to applaud the guy who wrote and performed that scene.

But I'm really disgusted by the sheer hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance involved in writing and performing that scene, and then clawing back depressing Cheap Laffs from an audience who *he knows* don't know any better. With that scene in mind, he's willingly stooping to their level, willingly pandering to cunts that *he knows* are actively making the world a worse place for others. That's the shittest part.

It's very well acted but so drawn out and boring; irrespective of its virtues and subsequent besmirchment. Fine to watch on stage, but on TV?

Urinal Cake

Louis CK will go to whoever is paying him. He has college age children. Who'd watch cuck porn of him masturbating in a corner while his 'wife' is lezzing it up?

St_Eddie

Quote from: Urinal Cake on January 05, 2019, 12:25:59 AM
Who'd watch cuck porn of him masturbating in a corner while his 'wife' is lezzing it up?

*slowly and cautiously raises hand*

arpster

Quote from: Noodle Lizard on December 28, 2018, 05:00:19 PM
I thought this was funnier than his last few pre-wankbeast sets - and it's still an early on work in progress.  I'm glad he hasn't gone for the contrite "I'm better now" approach that I expected.  He seems to have recaptured some of the angst and pointedness which he lost when he was Hollywood's darling, and I think he's channeling it effectively.  There must be something quite liberating for a comedian having nothing to lose.

yep..a few bits bombed as you'd expect in the tryout stage, but the you cant kill me im already dead vibe compensated for that...struggled to get to the end of it - although that had little to do with the set and everything to do with the anonymous cunt providing his own excruciating laughter track..

BeardFaceMan

He doesnt have to go the contrite route in his stand up and be all earnest, but seeing as a lot of his stand up involves talkkng about his life, its odd to ignore it. See Chris Rocks last special where he talks about cheating onhis wife and his addiction to porn for an example of how to talk about your problems onstage while still being funny and actually admitting you did something wrong. Thats my problem with all this, all his talk about taking time to step away and learn and listen was utter horseshit, that was never what he thought. What he thought was "I've been caught out, I was forced away against my will and I did nothing wrong. Lesson learned." Has he shown any kind remorse or accepted any wrongdoing or talk about any lessons hes learned, other than his initial 'apology'? If hes all about being woke and learning now, why isnt he sharing his insights? Or is he saving those for one his more pretentious projects where he shows us what a sensitive and thoughtful artist he is?

jobotic


Thursday

Quote from: BeardFaceMan on January 05, 2019, 12:09:09 PM
He doesnt have to go the contrite route in his stand up and be all earnest, but seeing as a lot of his stand up involves talkkng about his life, its odd to ignore it. See Chris Rocks last special where he talks about cheating onhis wife and his addiction to porn for an example of how to talk about your problems onstage while still being funny and actually admitting you did something wrong. Thats my problem with all this, all his talk about taking time to step away and learn and listen was utter horseshit, that was never what he thought. What he thought was "I've been caught out, I was forced away against my will and I did nothing wrong. Lesson learned." Has he shown any kind remorse or accepted any wrongdoing or talk about any lessons hes learned, other than his initial 'apology'? If hes all about being woke and learning now, why isnt he sharing his insights? Or is he saving those for one his more pretentious projects where he shows us what a sensitive and thoughtful artist he is?

The thing is he's lived with the fact that he'd done this for several years. The rumours first serviced years ago, and there was a heavy suggestion it was him, but not quite enough to build much momentum, so he'd presumably been prepared for this to happen for a long time. I suspect the gist of his apology had already been worked out. As you say he's only sorry he got caught.

colacentral

I can't be arsed writing a big long thing but on the subject of Twitter idiots acting like Louis CK is just now taking a contrarian / offensive point of view for the sake of a joke, I always remember this clip from 2004:

https://youtu.be/zv8d_ry-u-Q

This is him pissing about with material that never got officially released, and which I've never seen told on any other bootlegs or anything else that I've happened to come across. He tries to defend terrorism ("Just because they kill people... what's so good about people?"), then later says something like "what other shitty thing can I try to defend?" It's a technique that him and other comedians use to work out new material - start with an outrageous point of view and then try to defend it. It's a shame that comedians like Andy Richter and Patton Oswalt would join the chorus of disapproval about the material itself, when I would put money on them finding the above video absolutely fine two years ago.

up_the_hampipe

That's one of my favourite sets of his. Even his more famous routines follow the same structure to the Parkland bit. He expresses annoyance about something and builds it to the point where he's saying wildly inappropriate and awful things, the punchline becoming his ludicrous anger. The bit about the kid in his daughter's class, eventually he's fantasising about waterboarding this 6 year old and elaborately ruining his parent's lives.

It's clear that those people listened to the clip in the context of people saying "Louis attacked the Parkland kids, he's right wing now!". Also he's a monster in their minds now, so his material is no longer his stand-up persona, it's who he really is. When this scandal broke, some were able to separate his comedy with his actions, whereas others started to rethink everything he said.

The Parkland kids material is definitely not as bad as people are making out, it's the standard 'pull back and reveal' type gag that he's always done

ajsmith2

How do people think it would have gone down if he'd done a new set dealing with his wanking transgressions in his usual self lacerating way? Not asking for forgiveness or anything but just working honestly through the experience to try and wrest something from it, take it or leave it. Could it have worked, or would any attempt to address the subject be seen as capitalising on it? I agree with Beardfaceman that ignoring this issue makes this 'comeback' somewhat bogus.

I also echo Petey Pate to say it's so odd to think back to just 2/3 years ago when Louie 'Cuck King' was among the foremost comedy bete noirs of the alt-right on 4chan/The Donald for his offensively woke/self deprecating material (joking about being cuckolded etc) circa 2015 and later his Hillary endorsement/Trump non-endorsement. Now it's flipped and he's their new hero, and suddenly folk like Paul Joseph MapRoom have magically discovered his genius overnight.

Some typically high quality art upholding Western Classical Traditions that was done of Louie for 4chan back in 2015:




Quote from: ajsmith2 on January 05, 2019, 06:37:05 PM
How do people think it would have gone down if he'd done a new set dealing with his wanking transgressions in his usual self lacerating way? Not asking for forgiveness or anything but just working honestly through the experience to try and wrest something from it, take it or leave it. Could it have worked, or would any attempt to address the subject be seen as capitalising on it?

I think this was the way to go, he doesn't need to do a big wet stage apology or do 'woke comedy', he could just address it in his usual "I'm a fuck up, i'm a loser" style. It would have gotten a mixed reaction regardless because he's a sex pest, but I think the reaction to his comeback would have been vaguely more generous, especially among his comedic peers. The fact that he's trying to unapologetically march through it without really addressing it is a bit weird, and kind of gutless. He's obviously gone from "I'm going to step away and listen" to a sort of petulant "nah, fuck 'em" very quickly

Thursday

Quote from: colacentral on January 05, 2019, 05:25:36 PM
I can't be arsed writing a big long thing but on the subject of Twitter idiots acting like Louis CK is just now taking a contrarian / offensive point of view for the sake of a joke, I always remember this clip from 2004:

https://youtu.be/zv8d_ry-u-Q

This is him pissing about with material that never got officially released, and which I've never seen told on any other bootlegs or anything else that I've happened to come across. He tries to defend terrorism ("Just because they kill people... what's so good about people?"), then later says something like "what other shitty thing can I try to defend?" It's a technique that him and other comedians use to work out new material - start with an outrageous point of view and then try to defend it. It's a shame that comedians like Andy Richter and Patton Oswalt would join the chorus of disapproval about the material itself, when I would put money on them finding the above video absolutely fine two years ago.

I also can't be arsed writing why I disagree with your stance here, I think it's okay to be okay with the material does in that video and also criticise him for the material he's just done.

Actually with Patton Oswalt, I am surprised because I'm sure he's complained about SJW's before.

But then I don't know, people have the right to change the minds, it's not necessarily just going with the way the wind blows.  It's difficult, best to try and take things with a grain of salt without having to get accusatory. I think.

Quote from: colacentral on January 05, 2019, 05:25:36 PM
I can't be arsed writing a big long thing but on the subject of Twitter idiots acting like Louis CK is just now taking a contrarian / offensive point of view for the sake of a joke, I always remember this clip from 2004:

https://youtu.be/zv8d_ry-u-Q

This is him pissing about with material that never got officially released, and which I've never seen told on any other bootlegs or anything else that I've happened to come across. He tries to defend terrorism ("Just because they kill people... what's so good about people?"), then later says something like "what other shitty thing can I try to defend?" It's a technique that him and other comedians use to work out new material - start with an outrageous point of view and then try to defend it. It's a shame that comedians like Andy Richter and Patton Oswalt would join the chorus of disapproval about the material itself, when I would put money on them finding the above video absolutely fine two years ago.

It's almost like material is affected by context isn't it?

So many defences of him are using the material taken out of context argument. Which misses the fact that no, people who might otherwise defend similar material are not doing so specifically because of the wider context of them being said by a self-confessed sex offender (cue someone questioning if he "really did anything illegal", he did, what was described in at least one instance was and he has accepted what was said was true). That does make a difference, to accept the "defending the indefensible" angle you'd have to believe in the genuine good faith of the comedian.

It's not fully possible to separate art from artists in every instance, not least when the art is historically largely based on the artists own life and opinions and the artist's life is historically really not ok.

For what its worth though, I've always thought some of Louis's stand up and particularly him going on Opie and Anthony was pretty dodgy and shit.


St_Eddie

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on January 05, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
...it's the standard 'pull back and reveal' type gag that he's always done

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on January 05, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
...it's the standard 'pull back and reveal'... they gag... that's it, he's done.

MortSahlFan

CK asked for permission to wank, got consent... But those who start wars based on lies, or those who kill the world economy - no worries, we have a bunch of morons who'll play the pawns of the fake outraged.

St_Eddie

Quote from: MortSahlFan on January 09, 2019, 11:45:54 PM
CK asked for permission to wank, got consent... But those who start wars based on lies, or those who kill the world economy - no worries, we have a bunch of morons who'll play the pawns of the fake outraged.

Who the fuck left the back door open?!  Just look at what's scuttled in!

Quote from: MortSahlFan on January 09, 2019, 11:45:54 PM
CK asked for permission to wank, got consent...

This simply isn't true, I'm afraid. There's at least one reported case where he definitely didn't

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: MortSahlFan on January 09, 2019, 11:45:54 PM
CK asked for permission to wank, got consent... But those who start wars based on lies, or those who kill the world economy - no worries, we have a bunch of morons who'll play the pawns of the fake outraged.

I was fuming when I heard about Carrot Top's involvement in the selling of chemical weapons to the Middle East.

St_Eddie

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on January 10, 2019, 01:53:16 AM
This simply isn't true, I'm afraid. There's at least one reported case where he definitely didn't

Sshh!  Don't spoil it for him.  Let him believe in his little utopian society, where men can go up to women, unsolicited and ask, ever so politely, if they would mind terribly if they pull their cock out in front of them and spurt cum all over the place.

St_Eddie

I mean it's alright, just as long as you have the manners to politely ask beforehand, right?

"Excuse me, do you mind if I rob you?"

"Excuse me, do you mind if I rape you?"

"Excuse me, but would it be acceptable to you if I were to cave your skull in with this shovel?"

And if upon occasion, you should forget to ask beforehand, well, so what?  I mean, everybody's human and we all forget our P's and Q's from time to time.

chveik

Quote from: St_Eddie on January 10, 2019, 01:59:53 AM
Sshh!  Don't spoil it for him.  Let him believe in his little utopian society, where men can go up to women, unsolicited and ask, ever so politely, if they would mind terribly if they pull their cock out in front of them and spurt cum all over the place.

wanking now :(
you definitely are a bad egg St. Eddie

Twed

Quote from: St_Eddie on January 10, 2019, 02:08:12 AM
"Excuse me, but would it be acceptable to you if I were to cave your skull in with this shovel?"
If you don't ask you don't get.

MortSahlFan

Quote from: St_Eddie on January 10, 2019, 01:44:31 AM
Who the fuck left the back door open?!  Just look at what's scuttled in!
You had to edit that?

up_the_hampipe

Quote from: St_Eddie on January 10, 2019, 01:59:53 AM
Sshh!  Don't spoil it for him.  Let him believe in his little utopian society, where men can go up to women, unsolicited and ask, ever so politely, if they would mind terribly if they pull their cock out in front of them and spurt cum all over the place.

It was acceptable in the 90s. It was acceptable at the tiiiiime.

St_Eddie


marquis_de_sad

Quote from: ajsmith2 on January 05, 2019, 06:37:05 PMSome typically high quality art upholding Western Classical Traditions that was done of Louie for 4chan back in 2015:



That's quite shit, isn't it

Retinend

Quote from: ajsmith2 on January 05, 2019, 06:37:05 PMI also echo Petey Pate to say it's so odd to think back to just 2/3 years ago when Louie 'Cuck King' was among the foremost comedy bete noirs of the alt-right on 4chan/The Donald for his offensively woke/self deprecating material (joking about being cuckolded etc) circa 2015 and later his Hillary endorsement/Trump non-endorsement. Now it's flipped and he's their new hero, and suddenly folk like Paul Joseph MapRoom have magically discovered his genius overnight.

Quite right - and good example. Both the legacy media and the alternative media want to bash or embrace him, out of equally hypocritical motivations: the first to crusade against un-PC transgressors, the second to excite their keyboard warriors in the "culture war" narrative.

rm2kmaster