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Mistakes and weird things in songs

Started by popcorn, September 12, 2018, 01:56:00 PM

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popcorn

Just listened to The Dark Side of the Moon for the first time in ages, with headphones. Far out, man! But there seems to be a minor hi-hat malfunction around 1:04 in Any Colour You Like. What a shame. It could have been a hit album.

Metallica, Enter Sandman. I don't like or understand metal but I heard Enter Sandman the other day and it really sounds to me like the drum fill at 4:36 is very late.

Radiohead, The Numbers. The guitar chord voicing is kind of of weird, and sometimes the notes ring out in a way that sounds jarring and off-key to me, especially at 2:23. Music theory people tell me that all the notes fit in the scale, technically, but somethin just don't sound right about that moment.

Kane Jones

Quote from: popcorn on September 12, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Metallica, Enter Sandman. I don't like or understand metal but I heard Enter Sandman the other day and it really sounds to me like the drum fill at 4:36 is very late.

I personally love that drum fill (and most of Lars' fills on the black album) mainly for the same reason you don't. It's not late, it carries on over the next bar rather than ending where it technically should. He accents the second beat of the bar with the snare and crash rather than the first. Mick Fleetwood does this a lot too, and I quite like it when he does it as well.

popcorn

Quote from: Kane Jones on September 12, 2018, 02:05:32 PM
I personally love that drum fill (and most of Lars' fills on the black album) mainly for the same reason you don't. It's not late, it carries on over the next bar rather than ending where it technically should.

I understand what you're saying, but that ain't what I'm complaining about. It's not about where it ends, it's where it starts. It's the first or second snare in the fill - it's late.

Kane Jones

Quote from: popcorn on September 12, 2018, 02:07:24 PM
I understand what you're saying, but that ain't what I'm complaining about. It's not about where it ends, it's where it starts. It's the first or second snare in the fill - it's late.

I can't hear that, sorry. Mind you, I caned this album back in the day so it's part of my brain now. I can't undo it.

I can totally hear the hi-hat thing on the Pink Floyd track though. Never noticed that before.

Radiohead one sounds fine to me.

thraxx


Feels like the 3rd of 4th time I've posted this this year.

She couldn't have made a worst move.

thraxx

Quote from: Kane Jones on September 12, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
I can't hear that, sorry. Mind you, I caned this album back in the day so it's part of my brain now. I can't undo it.

I can totally hear the hi-hat thing on the Pink Floyd track though. Never noticed that before.

Radiohead one sounds fine to me.

Yes there definitely a high hat stumble in there.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

The Kingsmen version of Louie Louie has the singer come in early after the guitar solo. According to something I read, the drum fill after was improvised in response. https://youtu.be/1RZJ4ESU52U?t=1m56s

popcorn

Quote from: Kane Jones on September 12, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
I can't hear that, sorry. Mind you, I caned this album back in the day so it's part of my brain now. I can't undo it.

It's the second snare of the fill. It's supposed to land on the 1 of the bar but it's just late enough to jump out at me every time.

Kane Jones

Led Zeppelin's Good Times Bad Times. John Paul Jones happily continuing the solo section for half a bar before realising the others are playing the chorus.

Around the 1:50 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSiUTSJ2NWY

thraxx

Quote from: Kane Jones on September 12, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Led Zeppelin's Good Times Bad Times. John Paul Jones happily continuing the solo section for half a bar before realising the others are playing the chorus.

Around the 1:50 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSiUTSJ2NWY

That song gets my vote for freshest song ever.  Everytime I listen to it there's something new in it.

Kane Jones

Quote from: thraxx on September 12, 2018, 03:54:41 PM
That song gets my vote for freshest song ever.  Everytime I listen to it there's something new in it.

Oh aye, it's a belter. JPJ still fucks up the bass. Part of its charm though.

bgmnts

I doubt its a mistake but there is a VERY irritating microwave beep noise in Feel Good Inc which somewhat irks me.

popcorn


Maurice Yeatman

There's a horrible glitch in Laura Nyro & Labelle's cover of Gonna Take a Miracle - it seems to be a bad edit where a different take was punched in for the middle section, but it includes a tiny bit of the lead vocal from the end of the previous chorus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRf7_qa__F8#t=84s


georgetaylor

This bit in the Mamas and the Papas I saw her again

https://youtu.be/4vaIBZCLUQU?t=2m39s

left it in on purpose because they liked it.

lankyguy95

Quote from: popcorn on September 12, 2018, 02:37:49 PM
It's the second snare of the fill. It's supposed to land on the 1 of the bar but it's just late enough to jump out at me every time.
I hear what you mean, it's kind of lazily played. But it's so minor, I'm so surprised it would jump out to you so much.

Avril Lavigne

Two in one here - the intro to Roxanne by The Police starts a semitone down and then the tape is very slightly sped up til it's at the pitch we're used to, at which point you can also hear Sting accidentally leaning on the keys of a piano in the studio and then laughing about it.

The pitch-shift seems to have been digitally fixed now in most uploads of the track but you can still hear it in this version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb-ABuRa9Qw

Depressed Beyond Tables

Bang on about that Lars fill. You can hear him rushing up to it, playing hard with a lot of crash cymbals, which naturally will bleach out the clicktrack in his ears and make it harder to hear. Presumably that's why he had to slow down to make that fill in time. Either that or the tape-op was on call to cut together multiple takes. I know they spent a ridiculous amount of time at that on the Black album.

Quote from: Kane Jones on September 12, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Led Zeppelin's Good Times Bad Times. John Paul Jones happily continuing the solo section for half a bar before realising the others are playing the chorus.

Around the 1:50 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSiUTSJ2NWY

To his credit he may have been playing that recording to just Bonham's drum track with a very rough and shoddy dummy track of Plant and/or Page. That was a common order of laying down instruments - drums, bass, guitars, vox etc.

There are tonnes of bass cockups, perhaps for this reason - a lack of a decent structural guide. Here's Bowie & The Jene Genie - Bass goes early into chorus https://youtu.be/kMYg_Ra4cr8?t=45

Simple Minds - an otherwise perfect drum track with a little hesitation on the fill here https://youtu.be/CdqoNKCCt7A?t=241

The reason that bit in Message in a Bottle by The Police appears to jump out from nowhere is that the drums were cut short into the chorus by a tape edit after the take: https://youtu.be/MbXWrmQW-OE?t=86



PlanktonSideburns

Quote from: Avril Lavigne on September 12, 2018, 05:23:58 PM
Two in one here - the intro to Roxanne by The Police starts a semitone down and then the tape is very slightly sped up til it's at the pitch we're used to, at which point you can also hear Sting accidentally leaning on the keys of a piano in the studio and then laughing about it.

The pitch-shift seems to have been digitally fixed now in most uploads of the track but you can still hear it in this version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb-ABuRa9Qw

Those two fuckups at the start of that make it hilarious. Love that you could have a weird bendy fun house tape glitch right out the gate,AND have someone fall on a piano and burst out laughing, just seconds into the tune, and think, aaaah she'll be right. - I mean I guess it was alrite - but now that you've pointed it out, it sounds like a shred video

I'd quite like to record some more fuckups on to of it now - airplane flies overhead, engineer slips on some Fanta copeland spilled on the floor, crashes headlong into a ming vase owned by whoever the guitarist is, audible farting, and so on

Ballad of Ballard Berkley

I've always wondered whether the usually solid Charlie Watts fumbling the beat at 1:31 during I'm Free was intended as a devilishly clever meta reference to the lyric, "I'm free to sing my song/Though it gets out of time", or if it was a genuine fuck up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnoakMBR5g8


McChesney Duntz

The Fabs had all sorts of cock-ups in their catalogue, but the gradual exhausted/stoned drop in tempo throughout "You Won't See Me" made me think I was losing my mind the first time I listened to the Rubber Soul CD on headphones...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsjTO0yZQjk

The Culture Bunker

Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 12, 2018, 02:31:26 PM
The Kingsmen version of Louie Louie has the singer come in early after the guitar solo. According to something I read, the drum fill after was improvised in response. https://youtu.be/1RZJ4ESU52U?t=1m56s
Is that the bit when you can faintly hear someone shout "fuck!" in the background? (not got any headphones handy to check)

I think Hey Jude has a bit of swearing in it too, when McCartney or Lennon hits a duff note in the backing vocals and chuckles "fucking hell!"

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

Quote from: The Culture Bunker on September 12, 2018, 10:33:08 PM
Is that the bit when you can faintly hear someone shout "fuck!" in the background?
I can't, but that's not to say it isn't there.

DrGreggles

Quote from: The Culture Bunker on September 12, 2018, 10:33:08 PM
I think Hey Jude has a bit of swearing in it too, when McCartney or Lennon hits a duff note in the backing vocals and chuckles "fucking hell!"

Apparently Lennon got some feedback through his headphones.
One of those things that you can't ignore once you know it's there.

The Culture Bunker

Quote from: Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth on September 12, 2018, 10:36:44 PM
I can't, but that's not to say it isn't there.
Seems the bit I was thinking of is at 54 seconds in, by the drummer after he drops his sticks. Even without headphones, you can make it out but I guess it only sounds like "fuck!" if you know that's what he says. If that makes sense.

Depressed Beyond Tables

Quote from: Avril Lavigne on September 12, 2018, 05:23:58 PM
Two in one here - the intro to Roxanne by The Police starts a semitone down and then the tape is very slightly sped up til it's at the pitch we're used to, at which point you can also hear Sting accidentally leaning on the keys of a piano in the studio and then laughing about it.

The pitch-shift seems to have been digitally fixed now in most uploads of the track but you can still hear it in this version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb-ABuRa9Qw

I always assumed the lower pitch start was an in-joke between Sting and the engineer/producer about hitting the high notes. One old cheat was to play the tape at a lower speed and record the vocals (at a lower pitch obv) - then speed it up to normal setting and you have flawless high notes. Chipmunks etc.

Either way, a great way to put him at ease.

Sebastian Cobb

The weird fade in and out on hand in glove can't be deliberate can it?

McChesney Duntz

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on September 12, 2018, 11:54:10 PM
The weird fade in and out on hand in glove can't be deliberate can it?

You wouldn't be confusing that with the opening seconds of "Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others," would you?

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: McChesney Duntz on September 12, 2018, 11:57:12 PM
You wouldn't be confusing that with the opening seconds of "Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others," would you?

Yes, yes I would.

Oddly I was adamant it was hand in glove until I played both of them. My mistake.

Depressed Beyond Tables

Some Gloves Are Bigger Than Others


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