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David Baddiel

Started by bgmnts, September 15, 2018, 09:01:13 AM

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the

Well this bit of the discussion has a point to it.

gmoney

I'll try and work out what that means while you try and think of something.

petril

Quote from: the on September 15, 2018, 10:13:59 PM
Watch his performance in Baddiel's Syndrome and say that

Christ, he used Rich and Strange for theme music

BeardFaceMan

Quote from: Chriddof on September 15, 2018, 08:33:42 PM
The one really funny thing I saw Baddiel do was a routine on a list of deaths published circa the Tudor period (or whenever), which he's never re-used as far as I know. Certainly enjoyed it more than the 26th retelling of the golf thing.

Then youre lucky, I've seen him do that bit multiple times, on tour, on countdown does cats (probably 20 years after he first did it on tour and it was an almost word for word recreation). I'll say this for him, hes not afraid to reuse material.

The other thing that bothered me about his stand up (did it on the sofa with Frank a lot too) was it came across as he had no confidence,  like he had no faith in his ideas and needed constant validation for them. And the way he would do this is to always add a question to anything he says. "Anal sex is fun, isn't it?", "footballers fall over a lot, dont they?" "Porn stars are great, arent they?" Its the worst type of hacky observational stand up. And dont even get me started on his word association bullshit...

the

Quote from: gmoney on September 15, 2018, 10:47:10 PMI'll try and work out what that means while you try and think of something.

There's loads of instances of AD being funny, all of which you will refute as you hate him. Relevance to DB discussion = none.

Quote from: petrilTanaka on September 15, 2018, 10:58:17 PMChrist, he used Rich and Strange for theme music

I know, and he didn't use The Sundays

Maurice Yeatman

One of the first internet forums I came across was 1000 People More Annoying Than Mick Hucknall. Probably rings a few bells with some people here. The nearest pile of shite I can compare it to is the Don't Start Me Off forums, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the same people were involved. Any road, an internet newbie at the time, I've never forgotten being shocked by the bile in the David Baddiel thread, and particularly the post that just said "Fuck off hooknose". This must have been about 15 years ago at least, pre-Twitter. Plus ça change.

I still love his gag about how Olympic events evolved from chasing and hunting and competing in real life, with marathon walking compared to what you do when a group of hard lads are behind you late at night but you don't want to make it look like you're running away from them.

gmoney

Quote from: the on September 15, 2018, 11:12:09 PM
There's loads of instances of AD being funny, all of which you will refute as you hate him. Relevance to DB discussion = none.


I certainly don't hate him, he seems like a decent guy and Athletico Mince is one of my favourite podcasts. He's responsible for some fucking rotten sketches though, and he's not "100 times funnier than David Baddiel". I'd say that was objective.

To add to the thread, The Infidel is really, really crap.

petril

so I've watched the first episode of Baddiel's Syndrome, starring David Baddiel in a sitcom about David Baddiel (written by David Baddiel,) and nothing has stuck in my memory except the word TWAT. David Baddiel.

Dr Rock

I recently watched the interview with him by James O'Brien on YouTube. Guess whether he told the story about his mum and the golf instructor.

Clive Langham

Walliams doesn't actually write those books you know.

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Quote from: Clive Langham on September 16, 2018, 11:42:21 AM
Walliams doesn't actually write those books you know.

Quentin Blake illustrates them, which makes me feel sad for some reason.

gloria

Quote from: Clive Langham on September 16, 2018, 11:42:21 AM
Walliams doesn't actually write those books you know.
Slightly off-topic, but what evidence is there for this?

Adrian Edmondson's written a couple of children's books recently as well.  Just mentioning that as it doesn't seem to have been much publicised.

Quote from: BeardFaceMan on September 15, 2018, 11:09:54 PM
I'll say this for him, hes not afraid to reuse material.


How many times has he done that bit about taking his daughter to the toilet? He seems to tell that story whenever he's on something.

thenoise

Quote from: buzby on September 15, 2018, 07:05:42 PM
He was also recently a guest on Newsnight wading in to Corbyn over the antisemitism crap.

He has a secondary career as being a Jewish person for hire on news/documentary/list shows. I vaguely remember him doing a piece to camera about Jewish comedy, although I'm not particularly convinced that Badiel does Jewish comedy.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: thenoise on September 16, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
He has a secondary career as being a Jewish person for hire on news/documentary/list shows. I vaguely remember him doing a piece to camera about Jewish comedy, although I'm not particularly convinced that Badiel does Jewish comedy.

It was a constant talking point when he was doing baddiel and skinner stuff.

Maurice Yeatman


Small Man Big Horse

Quote from: gloria on September 16, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
Slightly off-topic, but what evidence is there for this?

I've done a fair amount of research and it seems unlike most celebrities he does write them. And that he's earnt a fuck load for them too.

Clive Langham

Quote from: gloria on September 16, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
Slightly off-topic, but what evidence is there for this?

No evidence - just gossip. It's something I've heard from three separate people involved with the book industry. An actress I know who does kids' audiobooks told me it a couple of years ago, then I mentioned it to an old friend who is a fairly successful YA fiction writer, and he said "yeah, I've heard that too." Then, a year or so later, a friend of my wife's, who illustrates picture books, brought it up out of the blue. None of this proves anything of course - it's just gossip. It could be sour grapes - he is very successful - but when three separate people (who don't know each other) tell you the same thing you do tend to go "hmmmmm."

It's not that surprising is it? Plenty of this stuff goes on. Didn't Jeffrey Archer have a whole staff of people whose job it was to convert his manuscripts into prose people could actually read?

Clive Langham

Of course nobody clarified what "doesn't write his own books" actually meant. It could mean anything from "all his stuff is completely ghostwritten and he just puts his name to it" to "he dictates a very basic first draft which is then gone over by several other people to create the finished book."

If I had to guess I'd say that Walliams probably goes into a conference room and spitballs for half an hour ("there's this boy who collects bogies, and his grandad's the pope, and...") and a bunch of people take notes and then go away for two month sand make it into a novel.

petril


Clive Langham

Ooh I'd forgotten Guardian film reviewer Peter Bradshaw was in this!

Clive Langham

Quote from: Clive Langham on September 16, 2018, 08:43:07 PM
Ooh I'd forgotten Guardian film reviewer Peter Bradshaw was in this!

If you've been to Cambridge you don't even actually have to be an actor or comedian to end up in a TV sitcom.

gloria

Quote from: Clive Langham on September 16, 2018, 08:13:35 PM
No evidence - just gossip.

It's not that surprising is it? Plenty of this stuff goes on.


I've heard gossip that Julian Clary's kid books are ghostwritten but I don't have any proof. I think with Walliams there's so much resentment about his success that snide whispers about him not writing his own books were inevitable. He's so huge a star that you'd think a paper would have exposed him by now were it true.

c

Quote from: gloria on September 16, 2018, 10:15:05 PM

I've heard gossip that Julian Clary's kid books are ghostwritten but I don't have any proof. I think with Walliams there's so much resentment about his success that snide whispers about him not writing his own books were inevitable. He's so huge a star that you'd think a paper would have exposed him by now were it true.

I don't think it would be a scandal in the publishing business that a star uses a ghost. It's standard practise. The ghost gets paid a tiny percentage, does 99% of the work - but because that tiny %age is still more than they'd make as a novelist or whatever, they do it. It's hugely exploitative.

The Lily Allen book that's everywhere right now was ghosted.

Here's a piece from a few years back that made my blood boil. Says Walliams writes his own but, who knows - maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/22/celebrity-deals-childrens-authors-publishing




Twed

If you invert his name a little you get "David Good Deal". Hope that helps!

gloria

Quote from: c on September 16, 2018, 10:30:58 PM
Here's a piece from a few years back that made my blood boil. Says Walliams writes his own but, who knows



This is sort of my point. A newspaper says he writes his own books but because that contradicts the rumours you'd prefer to believe, you cast doubt on whether the question can even be answered. I'm not getting at you personally, btw, I just think is a beautiful illustration of how the Trumpian post-truth world operates.

       
  • Make a statement that chimes with your beliefs.
  • When challenged to provide evidence cite hearsay.
  • When faced with contradictory evidence claim real knowledge is impossible and you never really cared about what you were saying in the first place.

c

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Quote from: gloria on September 16, 2018, 11:19:28 PM

This is sort of my point. A newspaper says he writes his own books but because that contradicts the rumours you'd prefer to believe, you cast doubt on whether the question can even be answered. I'm not getting at you personally, btw, I just think is a beautiful illustration of how the Trumpian post-truth world operates.

       
  • Make a statement that chimes with your beliefs.
  • When challenged to provide evidence cite hearsay.
  • When faced with contradictory evidence claim real knowledge is impossible and you never really cared about what you were saying in the first place.

You're right. It sounds very much like he did write those books.

The ghosting biz remains exploitative, though, as that piece lays out.

And Lily Allen's book was ghosted, this I know for a certainty (although I appreciate, to you, this is just more gossip).

Most celeb books are. Kids books aside, to write 90k words that add up to a functional and easy to read (if unremarkable) book is still at least a 3 month, full time job for one person (especially when you factor in all the interviewing they have to do on top of the writing). The economics dictate that most celebrities won't bother (unless perhaps they're retired).

EDIT: perhaps not for comedians, though - i'm thinking more about novels and 'auto'biographies. A publisher is obviously going to want a comedian's voice and jokes in there, which makes ghosting more complex. I don't know about Russell Brand's Booky Wooks, for example, but there were lots of rumours about Johann Hari working on his politics book, whatever that was


gloria

Quote from: c on September 16, 2018, 11:34:18 PM
Most celeb books are. Kids books aside, to write 90k words that add up to a functional and easy to read (if unremarkable) book is still at least a 3 month, full time job for one person (especially when you factor in all the interviewing they have to do on top of the writing). The economics dictate that most celebrities won't bother (unless perhaps they're retired).

EDIT: perhaps not for comedians, though - i'm thinking more about novels and 'auto'biographies. A publisher is obviously going to want a comedian's voice and jokes in there, which makes ghosting more complex. I don't know about Russell Brand's Booky Wooks, for example, but there were lots of rumours about Johann Hari working on his politics book, whatever that was
Oh yeah, I'm not saying ghosting doesn't go on. I met a marathon runner once who found a bit of fame after running through Africa and finding, losing and being reunited with a cute dog that would run alongside him. He was on a book tour appearing at loads of prestigious literary festivals. I asked him whether it was hard work writing the book and he said, "Oh, I had a guy to help me with the actual words."