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Sargon of Lolcow

Started by Barry Admin, September 24, 2018, 01:21:28 PM

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Barry Admin

Has anyone else been having a good laugh at this thick cunt recently? He got butthurt and picked a fight with top troll and "content creator" Mister Metokur, and has managed to alienate a lot of their shared audience. He spent two days trailing a live-stream about Metokur, and then after all the buildup and anticipation, he went live with his mic muted. Normally this would be quickly pointed out by people in the chat, but he had contrived an excuse to turn the chat off at the last minute because he didn't want all the aggro from Metokur's huge and passionate fan base. So he sat there talking away silently for the best part of 20 minutes.

Anyway, he's mostly been getting attacked for his ridiculous ego and pomposity.  He's been doing his trademark "smug chuckles" at the suggestion that his burgeoning political career might get shat on by all the dumb, offensive stuff he's said online, e.g. Calling people white n-words, and telling a politician that he "wouldn't even rape" her, and getting his fans to join in on that. Although he's often characterised as a member of the alt-right, they hate each other, and a lot of this stems from a debate with Richard Spencer where Spencer pointed out that he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Sargon also got banned from twitter for trying to wind-up alt-right tweeters with screenshots of mixed-race porn, although he's since snuck back on.

Anyway yeah, amazingly his past has now started to catch up with him:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/racist-troll-who-sent-rape-tweet-addresses-ukip-members-8tdvlp6qj

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/revealed-bizarre-views-of-ukips-sinister-rising-stars/23/09/

greenman

"Sent rape tweet to Jess Philps" - Media interest increases....

"Addressing UKIP conference" - Media interest evaporates...

sevendaughters

while he was a rational skeptic online, i learned the blade

bgmnts

I wouldn't rape Sargon of Akkunt (lol) but I would encourage it.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Have the people who find these frankly fringe, irrelevant people objectionable realised they are prolonging their fleeting blip on the radar of existence by advertising them?

How many examples do people need as evidence of this before they will stop doing it?

When did "don't feed the troll" stop being true as soon as a share button was invented?

Let the nobody cunt and his shit opinions slide. He only begins to matter when you have given him enough oxygen to reach a mass audience. Cut that in its infancy by not giving them the fucking pleasure.

Barry Admin

He also had a go at starting his own political party - The Liberalists - but dumped that as soon as UKIP came knocking. Now that he's speaking at UKIP events, all the people he's alienated online are turning up stuff like this, and making very sure that journalists see it:

***NSFW - contains racism etc***
https://youtube.com/watch?v=une73Vc3z3Q

Shoulders?-Stomach!

By the very act of trying to draw attention to this person's foul views so that we reject them, you incrementally* legitimise their views and their behaviour by implicitly suggesting they are worth people stopping to consider and invite more narcissistic freaks out of the woodwork by prolonging the amount of airtime they receive and advertising that these freaks can also become minor celebrities.

Bring light into the world. There will always be some cunt to haul out of the gutter so you can go "ahhh ahh look at this smelly shitty narcissistic fuckpit with his turdpile of shite views"


* incrementally, I'm not saying this one thread will have that much impact

Cloud

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on September 24, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
Have the people who find these frankly fringe, irrelevant people objectionable realised they are prolonging their fleeting blip on the radar of existence by advertising them?

How many examples do people need as evidence of this before they will stop doing it?

When did "don't feed the troll" stop being true as soon as a share button was invented?

Let the nobody cunt and his shit opinions slide. He only begins to matter when you have given him enough oxygen to reach a mass audience. Cut that in its infancy by not giving them the fucking pleasure.

You're right, it's just so hard not to. When you have such amazingly shitty people out there to marvel at, it's like a car crash I suppose.  That and after years of hearing "you have to step outside of your bubble and listen to some opposing opinions and broaden your mind"  you watch a few Peterson or Rubin videos to try and do so, and suddenly your Youtube bubble filter goes "oh right, you're not a namby pamby leftie cuck after all but in fact a massive right winger, let's sort that for you" and ends up full of the tedious cunts.

Barry Admin

On his new obscure twitter feed, he's retweeted this to try and explain away the "white n-word" rant:

QuoteNo he said "you are acting like a bunch of n*****s... white people don't behave like this... white people are supposed to talk to each other with decorum..." He said that word to appeal to them because he wanted to co opt their fan base.

What a fucking idiot! Watching him circling the drain has been highly amusing and definitely recommended. He has absolutely no idea of his own limitations.

ajsmith2

#9
A few months back, Sargon, PJW, Count Dankula and Milo all made a big public display of joining UKIP at the same time with the intention of remaking it as the populist party of the young alt light. Neil Hamilton wrote a somewhat doddery message expressing approval at the injection of new blood.

Edit; in fact Danks debut speech at the UKIP conference was just there at the weekend too, alongside Sargons! PJW I believe rarely leaves the map room and of course no one wants to touch Milo with a shitty stick these days.

king_tubby

I believe Hamilton made reference to their 'dank memes'.

Cuellar

All this drama about a literal non-entity.

Barry Admin

Quote from: king_tubby on September 24, 2018, 02:01:47 PM
I believe Hamilton made reference to their 'dank memes'.

Jesus Christ, I thought you were taking the piss!

https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilUKIP/status/1011671738030182402

God bless the poor old dears who are too jaded to find any of this amusing.

manticore

Quote from: Cloud on September 24, 2018, 01:39:38 PM
You're right, it's just so hard not to. When you have such amazingly shitty people out there to marvel at, it's like a car crash I suppose.  That and after years of hearing "you have to step outside of your bubble and listen to some opposing opinions and broaden your mind"  you watch a few Peterson or Rubin videos to try and do so, and suddenly your Youtube bubble filter goes "oh right, you're not a namby pamby leftie cuck after all but in fact a massive right winger, let's sort that for you" and ends up full of the tedious cunts.

I have minimal interest in this sagron silly, but you're right, that's a real phenomenon, as everyone knows who's clicked on one of these far right youtube videos and found themselves flooded with suggestions to watch more of the imbeciles. The problem is discussed here (sorry if it's been linked to before, I haven't seen it):

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/18/report-youtubes-alternative-influence-network-breeds-rightwing-radicalisation

What is to be done about it?

Zetetic

Some of political settlement over the promotion and transmission of distasteful but not illegal content in major social networks, ideally, bringing the issue into transparent, independent arbitration.

I still can't see what the alternative is.

Edit:

There is another upside to explicitly sanitising Twitter, YouTube and Reddit etc. as public places -  it might incentivise the creation of independent internet communities again, beyond those driven by hate and prejudice hopefully.

sevendaughters

as a barely-related sidebar that works here as it seems to be the new online rightwing cunts thread - friends of mine around the world in the martial arts are reporting an influx of classic liberal and meninist and proud boy and pepe and whatever article of faith currently waved by these people into the sport of BJJ and the generalised 'MMA' world (rather than the traditional martial arts such as judo or karate or muay because those actually have an ethos central to them that is expressly 'don't be hateful') through outlets such as Joe Rogan who has on people like Sargon and Shapiro and other douchebros. so I lightly disagree that we should ignore Shoulders' claim that ridicule gives incremental exposure out of marginalia because they've already breached our cultural defences and we're fighting within the walls now.

Large Noise

Yeah, YouTube does seem to completely bombard you with this right wing stuff if you click on anything to do with Peterson or similar. Even if you just watch clips of Joe Rogan talking about UFC or whatever you'll get served up this shit.

I have a few left wing channels I look at, but while it does recommend me their videos, it doesn't flood my feed with general left wing political content in the way it does with right wing stuff.

I read somewhere that this is because the right wing types are more active on YouTube and there are far more accounts all uploading the same Peterson etc. content. Maybe that's something to do with it.

Funcrusher

Quote from: Zetetic on September 24, 2018, 03:13:10 PM

There is another upside to explicitly sanitising Twitter, YouTube and Reddit etc. as public places -  it might incentivise the creation of independent internet communities again, beyond those driven by hate and prejudice hopefully.

So you're not proposing legislation to uphold free speech on You Tube any more then?

Barry Admin

Quote from: Large Noise on September 24, 2018, 03:18:02 PM
Yeah, YouTube does seem to completely bombard you with this right wing stuff if you click on anything to do with Peterson or similar. Even if you just watch clips of Joe Rogan talking about UFC or whatever you'll get served up this shit.

I have a few left wing channels I look at, but while it does recommend me their videos, it doesn't flood my feed with general left wing political content in the way it does with right wing stuff.

I read somewhere that this is because the right wing types are more active on YouTube and there are far more accounts all uploading the same Peterson etc. content. Maybe that's something to do with it.

There are a lot of right wing accounts making interesting and engaging content, as well as clickbaity, attention-grabbing stuff that naturally proliferates.  This does influence people to make similar content, because YouTubers are always hyper-aware of THE ALGORITHIM - they want money and attention, so they copy what's popular.

On top of that, you also have the way that most people naturally get influenced by groups. So I personally try to watch a bit of everything, because binging on right-wing voices exclusively will affect most people. I believe you could "redpill" pretty much anyone into becoming a "race realist" by feeding them a concentrated, non-stop diet of eg /pol/ and Murdoch Murdoch.

Anyway yeah, my take is always that social networking - and the polarisation it has engendered - has helped make the online left into a boring, prissy load of humourless, offence-taking wankers, although there are a few really good voices out there such as hbomerguy and ContraPoints. So while the left has been constantly turning on itself, the right and far right have been monopolising new media like YouTube, and spreading their influence far and wide.

(I'm also currently listening to a dream of Destiny discussing the "Alternative Influence" article, so I could throw him in as well, although he can be fairly irritating.)

sevendaughters

the right does at least turn on each other with alarming regularity because, at heart, these people are grifters.

Zetetic

Quote from: Funcrusher on September 24, 2018, 03:21:24 PM
So you're not proposing legislation to uphold free speech on You Tube any more then?
Both. Defining acceptable speech on such platforms would be protective and restrictive.

Promotion (and monetisation) could be distinct from transmission if we agreed it so. Why not?

Blumf

Quote from: Barry Admin on September 24, 2018, 03:36:21 PM
Anyway yeah, my take is always that social networking - and the polarisation it has engendered - has helped make the online left into a boring, prissy load of humourless, offence-taking wankers, although there are a few really good voices out there such as hbomerguy and ContraPoints.

Richard Wolff and the Democracy at Work team, if a little dry, do seem to be a great bunch of lads:
https://www.youtube.com/user/democracyatwrk/videos

Sony Walkman Prophecies

Quote from: Barry Admin on September 24, 2018, 01:29:20 PM
He also had a go at starting his own political party - The Liberalists - but dumped that as soon as UKIP came knocking. Now that he's speaking at UKIP events, all the people he's alienated online are turning up stuff like this, and making very sure that journalists see it:

***NSFW - contains racism etc***
https://youtube.com/watch?v=une73Vc3z3Q

I'm less offended by the content as the accent. These people can never go for more than two seconds without a "sorta" or "kinda". Before learning how to debate, I think they should leave their grot-pits, logout of Netflix, taste the fresh air and go on an excursion to find out how people in their local community speak. Whatever that sound might be, I can guarantee it will be nothing like the strange noise coming out of this person's mouth. This is a social issue. If we don't rouse these people from their internet daydreams, we're going to bequeath a world of almost-men who think freeze framing videos and launching into monologue is the same thing as having a conversation.

JesusAndYourBush

Quote from: Barry Admin on September 24, 2018, 01:21:28 PM
Has anyone else been having a good laugh at this thick cunt recently? He got butthurt and picked a fight with top troll and "content creator" Mister Metokur, and has managed to alienate a lot of their shared audience. He spent two days trailing a live-stream about Metokur, and then after all the buildup and anticipation, he went live with his mic muted. Normally this would be quickly pointed out by people in the chat, but he had contrived an excuse to turn the chat off at the last minute because he didn't want all the aggro from Metokur's huge and passionate fan base. So he sat there talking away silently for the best part of 20 minutes.

Anyway, he's mostly been getting attacked for his ridiculous ego and pomposity.  He's been doing his trademark "smug chuckles" at the suggestion that his burgeoning political career might get shat on by all the dumb, offensive stuff he's said online, e.g. Calling people white n-words, and telling a politician that he "wouldn't even rape" her, and getting his fans to join in on that. Although he's often characterised as a member of the alt-right, they hate each other, and a lot of this stems from a debate with Richard Spencer where Spencer pointed out that he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Sargon also got banned from twitter for trying to wind-up alt-right tweeters with screenshots of mixed-race porn, although he's since snuck back on.

Anyway yeah, amazingly his past has now started to catch up with him:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/racist-troll-who-sent-rape-tweet-addresses-ukip-members-8tdvlp6qj

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/revealed-bizarre-views-of-ukips-sinister-rising-stars/23/09/

Why concern yourself with the dregs of the internet?  Whenever I see a thread like this I quickly reverse out.  I don't want to give them a moment of my attention, what's the point?  Wouldn't it be better to ignore them?

Barry Admin

It can be funny or entertaining in some other way, and I also like to know what's going on in the world around me.

sevendaughters

Quote from: JesusAndYourBush on September 24, 2018, 05:29:25 PM
Why concern yourself with the dregs of the internet?  Whenever I see a thread like this I quickly reverse out.  I don't want to give them a moment of my attention, what's the point?  Wouldn't it be better to ignore them?

I made this point earlier in a possibly overly verbose manner, but I'll recap it: they're not just internet dregs anymore. I get kids in my classes who are already Rogan- and Peterson-lite.

Barry Admin

Quote from: sevendaughters on September 24, 2018, 05:32:30 PM
I made this point earlier in a possibly overly verbose manner, but I'll recap it: they're not just internet dregs anymore. I get kids in my classes who are already Rogan- and Peterson-lite.

Yeah, I'm getting the impression that some people here don't realise how ubiquitous or pervasive a medium like YouTube actually is nowadays...? I mentioned to a friend recently that I couldn't remember the last time I'd watched the TV, and she replied that her and her boyfriend didn't even own one - they're a fair bit younger than me, and mostly watch or listen to YouTube videos or Twitch streams or whatever.

It's funny, because I'd actually been thinking of rejigging the forums to try and get more YouTube discussion - perhaps in Picture Box - but I'm not sure now that it would actually be worthwhile.

Do a lot of you not play video games either? I can't understand why that sub forum is so dead.

Large Noise

Quote from: sevendaughters on September 24, 2018, 05:32:30 PM
I made this point earlier in a possibly overly verbose manner, but I'll recap it: they're not just internet dregs anymore. I get kids in my classes who are already Rogan- and Peterson-lite.
Rogan is arguably the most influential media figure in the world if you're talking about 18-30 white males, and 90% of people have never heard of him.

Lemming

YouTube's algorithms are definitely up to something when it comes to this kind of crappy content. One of the big problems is that these chucklefucks just shit out an endless diarrhea jetstream of utter shite - look at manic bastards like Stefan Molyneux to see what I mean, the crazy fuck is pumping out 2 hour long videos every other day, sometimes several times a day.

Every remotely left-leaning channel I've seen takes weeks to prepare and research videos. When it comes to views, and therefore what YouTube will suggest to you, carefully argued, well-researched videos have no chance at all against reactionary rants that can be recorded in one take and uploaded on the same day.

My niece was showing me some weird food review shit on YouTube lately and I noticed an "Epic SJWs Owned Epically by EPIC LOGIC AND FACTS Compilation #289192913" thing in the sidebar. She's probably far too smart to click on it and fall for that shit, but there's a constant lingering fear at the back of my mind that the next time she comes around to visit, she'll goose-step into the room and seig heil before ranting about the Muslamic invaders, and all will be lost.

Cloud

Quote from: manticore on September 24, 2018, 03:02:50 PM
I have minimal interest in this sagron silly, but you're right, that's a real phenomenon, as everyone knows who's clicked on one of these far right youtube videos and found themselves flooded with suggestions to watch more of the imbeciles. The problem is discussed here (sorry if it's been linked to before, I haven't seen it):

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/18/report-youtubes-alternative-influence-network-breeds-rightwing-radicalisation

What is to be done about it?

Damn good question, and I don't think censorship is the answer.  Maybe shine a light on it.  There are channels like Contrapoints, but I only heard about her through a post on here.  Perhaps if the recommendation algorithms stuck to products and general interests, and not political viewpoints, that could help...

It should be "ah okay you like Star Trek, we'll show you more Star Trek related videos" rather than "you have a political view or one that you're at least researching, let's distill it into full on radicalisation"