Author Topic: Bands which have a shift in power dynamics from within  (Read 2325 times)

Pepotamo1985

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Re: Bands which have a shift in power dynamics from within
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2018, 08:30:57 PM »
I might be imagining things, but - especially with the benefit of Kim Gordon's superb Girl In A Band - I definitely hear the dynamic shift in Sonic Youth over time. Of course they were constantly changing, updating and upgrading their style, and different band members were better at different things - and indeed getting deeper into their own thing as time went on - but Thurston comes to dominate the band musically, lyrically, vocally and stylistically over time. Or at least, it increasingly feels like Animals/Wall era Pink Floyd - largely Thurston's project, in which Moore and Ronaldo have a (very specific) role to occasionally play.

I think that's why I'm so fond of The Eternal, even though it's obviously not as strong as their best - the band's really working together, really collaborating, in a way they haven't for years. A fine sendoff.

Pepotamo1985

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Re: Bands which have a shift in power dynamics from within
« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2018, 08:36:38 PM »
the weirdest one for me is Pixies. they all say it was Black's band first and foremost and that despite fans wanting more Kim, Kim was happy to have her own band and just play bass/sing backup. But he still walked and did his own thing. think that's just the sign of people being strange and not getting on.

I've heard from many sources that he's a complete an utter egomaniac and in fact a really unpleasant person to be around, so if true that might explain why he wanted to break out and create something that was purely him - his name on the LP sleeve and writing credits, fat face emblazoned on the front all big like, without anyone getting in his way.

Also, if true that's quite sad, because he comes across as really endearing in Vinyl Justice and obviously had a rapport with Adam and Joe AND BaaadDad, who I like to think are exceptionally lovely people. But then again none of them were in a band with him.

Re: Bands which have a shift in power dynamics from within
« Reply #62 on: October 10, 2018, 09:29:32 PM »
There is a very weird dynamic in the Pixies - loudQuietloud is a really interesting document, with Kelley Deal playing the Yoko role.

Re: Bands which have a shift in power dynamics from within
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2018, 12:56:45 PM »
The Specials - Jerry Dammers in the original incarnation.
Terry Hall in the reunion. Although both times certain band members were not really happy,  at least Jerry kept them together. Terry is now touring with just 3 original members and the excitement of the reunion  (despite a new album being recorded) has fizzled out for alot of the fans.

Re: Bands which have a shift in power dynamics from within
« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2018, 01:15:21 PM »
The Specials - Jerry Dammers in the original incarnation.
Terry Hall in the reunion. Although both times certain band members were not really happy,  at least Jerry kept them together. Terry is now touring with just 3 original members and the excitement of the reunion  (despite a new album being recorded) has fizzled out for alot of the fans.

There was also the 90s version without Dammers or Hall, that seemed to specialise in sub UB40 pop covers like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwRcA-w-08

Not sure who was in control at that point: Neville Staple maybe?

Not sure I'd agree that Dammers was any better at keeping the band together than Hall, given that the original group (1977-81) only lasted about as long as the reformed group (2009-2013) before imploding/members starting to leave. There was the whole Special AKA period from 82-84 as well, with Dammers just using the name as a catch all for various recordings with varying personnel collected on the 'In The Studio' album.

Didn't know the current group was 1) down to 3 original members and 2) had recorded a new album. 

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Re: Bands which have a shift in power dynamics from within
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2018, 02:27:02 PM »
The Velvet Underground. This appears to have a lot to do with their manager (after Andy Warhol), Steve Sesnick. First Cale was fired and then Doug Yule was "groomed" to become the star. It's his doing that "Squeeze" was recorded (so we should be grateful to him for something) and released under the VU name.

He's still alive too. Some VU board had a photo of him with Bill and Hillary Clinton. Weird.

Re: Bands which have a shift in power dynamics from within
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2018, 06:34:36 PM »
The Velvet Underground. This appears to have a lot to do with their manager (after Andy Warhol), Steve Sesnick. First Cale was fired and then Doug

Yeah I forgot about that period.  That 1st album "Today's Specials" was basically just demos that Neville was hawking around record companies to get a solo deal.
He had Roddy and Lynval come on board to boost the chances of re  recording the songs once signed, but Kuff records  (ironically started by Ali Campbell ex singer of UB40 ) put them out as they were.
Yes, the Specials are just Terry Hall, Lynval Golding and Horace Gentlemen now. On Horaces facebook page he posted a picture of Lynval asleep whilst they were recording the new album afew weeks ago.