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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2070 on: February 11, 2019, 08:03:30 AM »
Right, so that awful hard-left anti-business, anti-Europe, pro-hard-Brexit Corbyn fella comes up with a plan that is basically Norway, welcomed by business, welcomed by senior EU politicians, but rejected by his own parliamentary party for "enabling a Tory Brexit" while being rejected by the Tory PM because it leaves our hands too tied by the EU.

Logically, all of these things can't all be true, and sure enough they aren't. But instead of pointing this out, our supposedly left-wing media starts wetting its knickers about the prospect of a Riley/Rowling alliance that could reach dizzying Lib Dem levels of support in an election that might be just about to happen.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2071 on: February 11, 2019, 08:13:13 AM »
Same shit being thrown at the American left: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/429358-dem-lawmaker-omars-statements-deeply-hurtful-to-jews

Imagine being Chelsea Clinton and thinking that there is any living creature on the planet that should answer to you.

They're absolutely being successful in equating any sort of criticism of Israel to hatred of the Jews (of course they've been using this tactic for years but it's becoming more and more blatant as time goes on). I think what's happening to Corbyn is pretty much Israel teaming up with others who oppose him, to make a fucking example of him and say, "This is what happens when anybody who opposes our foreign policy gets significant public support - you'd better choose a party leader who is sympathetic to our interests."

Cuellar

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2072 on: February 11, 2019, 09:21:11 AM »
Can't wait to vote for J K Rowling for PM

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2073 on: February 11, 2019, 11:00:54 AM »
They're absolutely being successful in equating any sort of criticism of Israel to hatred of the Jews (of course they've been using this tactic for years but it's becoming more and more blatant as time goes on). I think what's happening to Corbyn is pretty much Israel teaming up with others who oppose him, to make a fucking example of him and say, "This is what happens when anybody who opposes our foreign policy gets significant public support - you'd better choose a party leader who is sympathetic to our interests."

Just keep going.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions

ToneLa

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2074 on: February 11, 2019, 11:08:10 AM »
Can't wait to vote for J K Rowling for PM

Prime Minster criticised for 'muggles' slur

ToneLa

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2075 on: February 11, 2019, 12:42:56 PM »
Interesting there's further talks scheduled between May and Corbyn for this week. Reading her letter it doesn't seem totally dismissive apart from the customs union. Somewhat predictably.

She has surely twigged she needs Labour support to continue. Her own vision is not going to pass muster with the ERG lot.



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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2076 on: February 11, 2019, 07:18:42 PM »
https://twitter.com/i/events/1094968803312586752

Fucking racist cunts. A muslim immigrant challenged power and they are mobilising in force, in the public eye, without shame, knowing that anybody who doesn't buy into their soundbites is an enemy for them to deal with later. THIS is what the Corbyn stuff is all about. We have to fight hard against these fucking monsters.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2077 on: February 11, 2019, 07:22:27 PM »
I mean fuck, conflating all Jewish identities with the worst of Israel's commercial/war machine is the real act of antisemitism, surely?

Progressive Dem: "I hate that people are being mugged in the streets"
Mainstream Dem: "How dare you say that about black people"

(basically)

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2078 on: February 11, 2019, 11:30:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/i/events/1094968803312586752

Fucking racist cunts. A muslim immigrant challenged power and they are mobilising in force, in the public eye, without shame, knowing that anybody who doesn't buy into their soundbites is an enemy for them to deal with later. THIS is what the Corbyn stuff is all about. We have to fight hard against these fucking monsters.
From an (admittedly cursory) glance at the comments on the New York Times article I saw linked on facebook, there's at least a significantly stronger "Israel !== Judaism" slant to the comments in general than I see on any Corbyn related one.

Maybe this is just the difference between how Twitter and Facebook choose which comments go to the top or something though

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2079 on: February 12, 2019, 12:52:26 AM »
https://twitter.com/i/events/1094968803312586752

Fucking racist cunts. A muslim immigrant challenged power and they are mobilising in force, in the public eye, without shame, knowing that anybody who doesn't buy into their soundbites is an enemy for them to deal with later. THIS is what the Corbyn stuff is all about. We have to fight hard against these fucking monsters.

I'd like to wipe those smug grins (behind the outrage masque du jour) off their faces. Literally.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2080 on: February 12, 2019, 01:01:43 AM »
I mean fuck, conflating all Jewish identities with the worst of Israel's commercial/war machine is the real act of antisemitism, surely?

Yes, this. Also, the very propaganda campaign itself is predicated on treating jews as so thick as shit as to not be able to tell the difference between criticism of Israel/the israeli lobby and criticism of jews as a people/culture, which is also in itself an antisemitic premise.

And there's something else you see quite a lot among gentiles with a political axe to grind as well, which are these sorts of quotes like: "i've always had profound respect for the jewish people" / "i feel a deep sense of sympathy with the jews" / "the historical suffering of the jews has always pained me" etc. I don't recall seeing this sort of thing about other ethnic or religious groups in anything like the same way, and it doesn't come across as a show of affectionate solidarity, or ecumenical bonding - it feels fucking creepy… really yucky creepy. When someone stands up for you or takes time to appreciate and learn about you, that's nice; but when they lay it on so thick, you file for a restraining order. It's gross, just being socially fetishised. That's how it feels when all these white knights spring up to "defend" us. These people don't see jews as heterogenous and complex human beings but as political currency, they are not on our fucking team. I do see genuine leftists engaging this sort of nauseating rhetoric from time to time (amusingly quite often as a defence when they've been accused of saying something antisemitic), but mostly its conservatives and liberals.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2081 on: February 12, 2019, 05:35:31 AM »
https://twitter.com/i/events/1094968803312586752

Fucking racist cunts. A muslim immigrant challenged power and they are mobilising in force, in the public eye, without shame, knowing that anybody who doesn't buy into their soundbites is an enemy for them to deal with later. THIS is what the Corbyn stuff is all about. We have to fight hard against these fucking monsters.

This is the response from the Democratic "leadership" to the united centrist-right-wing smear campaign against Ilhan Omar:
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1095026564503343104

This has almost nothing to do with combatting anti-semitism; it is primarily about shutting down the popular progressive insurgency in the Democratic party by whatever sleazy means they have at their disposal, which includes allying with and affirming the lies of racist right-wing attack dogs.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2082 on: February 12, 2019, 08:44:05 AM »
I am not sure it is that so much as spineless pandering

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2083 on: February 12, 2019, 12:18:27 PM »
Nancy Pelosi should not be tolerated. I wish somebody had the power to make her apologise for what she does, daily. I hope that her legacy will be accurate, and she's seen as the face as absolute fucking rotters trading on the popularity of being a strong woman while she stamps on admirable women with her Prada boots.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2084 on: February 12, 2019, 12:19:53 PM »
I am not sure it is that
It absolutely is that, that's why it's in the Corbyn thread.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2085 on: February 12, 2019, 12:56:05 PM »
Corbyn speaking in the House of Commons on Brexit now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OWK6IjX9Ws

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2086 on: February 12, 2019, 01:06:43 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/12/brexit-billboard-graffiti-jeremy-corbyn-labour

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Passersby on Tuesday morning included two long-term Labour supporters who also happened to be advertising strategists. One of them, Clare Rossi, 64, said she cancelled her party membership days ago in protest at the way in which the leadership was facilitating Brexit.

“A billboard like this is good because at least it gets people talking, although to be honest I would have done it differently. There needs to be a slogan people will remember, something like the ‘Take Back Control’ one which was used so effectively by the leave side,” she said.

Her partner, John Bacon, 70, took the opportunity to step on to the ladder and spray “sEUicide is Brainless.

Bullshit.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2087 on: February 12, 2019, 01:12:39 PM »
That ladder is an obstruction for pedestrians, particularly those in wheelchairs and the blind. It could also lead to passers by getting sprayed with paint.

king_tubby

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2088 on: February 12, 2019, 01:19:24 PM »
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sEUicide is Brainless

Calling people stupid is a definite vote winner for your cause.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2089 on: February 12, 2019, 01:22:38 PM »
Shit like this (and that Eddie Marsden cunt at the BAFTAS) is definitely making me dislike the remain/ #fbpe. The leave voter at work is a lot less "swivel eyed" than some of these tedious cunts.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2090 on: February 12, 2019, 01:29:16 PM »
What did Eddie Marsden do?

king_tubby

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2091 on: February 12, 2019, 01:31:07 PM »
He revealed a tattoo on his backside of Jeremy Corbyn, dressed as Hitler, voting Leave.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2092 on: February 12, 2019, 01:32:26 PM »
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While presenting the award for Best Costume Design with Cynthia Erivo, the actor described the difficulty of creating historically accurate costumes for films set in the UK.

He then added that it was particularly difficult to do since Britain had “reinvented its past to justify Brexit” and pulled an irritating smug face.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/bafta-awards-2019-brexit-eddie-masan-speech-costume-design-winner-the-favourite-a8772901.html


Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2093 on: February 12, 2019, 01:38:21 PM »
The man is a confirmed penis, a Brexit facilitator, pushing right-thinking people towards the Leave door just to get away from his oozing smugness.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2094 on: February 12, 2019, 01:38:53 PM »
Brave of him to get that tattoo, mind.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2095 on: February 12, 2019, 01:41:17 PM »
Lumley's a shit but I wish she'd stepped forward and gone "hold on a sec, what do you actually mean by "reinvented its past to justify Brexit", seeing as it doesn't really make any sense?"

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2096 on: February 12, 2019, 01:55:58 PM »
Anyone know anything about Joan Twelves? Here's her letter which is worth reading in full. I agree with much of it, while stressing that I'm still behind the leadership, and believe and trust there is a longer game being played here - like the fact that JC strategically wrote his letter to be rejected:

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Dear Jeremy,

I was appalled to wake up to hear the Tory spin that you might accept the paltry concessions offered by the PM to push Brexit through Parliament.

Concessions on things which should be happening anyway. And even if the Tories are prepared to row back on a few workplace rights they have spent the last decades demolishing, and offer some more Sports Direct depots to the former coalfield communities, what about our environmental rights, what about our consumer rights, what about our rights as European citizens to travel, study, work, live, and love across our neighbouring continent, what about the rights of EU citizens in this country, what about all of our rights to free movement across the world – or is that just for the rich? Where are your demands on these rights? Where are the Tories’ concessions on these?

The fact that I could believe this possible is an indictment of the position you have taken on Brexit ever since the referendum – indeed during it when I was told by your staff that you felt you had done enough meetings on Europe after just doing a couple, and therefore could not do one in south London with me.

You are making it impossible for comrades like myself to defend your Leadership. Brexit is an anti-internationalist, anti-solidarity, anti-peace, anti-immigrant right-wing project – there is no fantasy Lexit which will overturn austerity; indeed, the reverse as the country is impoverished and the NHS crumbles for lack of staff, medicines and funding.

Good comrades are leaving the Party in Vauxhall because you have not only failed to provide clear and decisive leadership against Brexit but also because you have failed to take any action against our MP, who has been consistently allowed to break the whip and collude with the most rabidly right-wing of Brexiteers such as Nigel Farage and Arron Banks. Motions of no confidence in Kate Hoey have won unanimous support across the Party here, but nothing ever happens; but it is more than clear that nobody here will campaign for her if she is allowed to restand as our PPC. The trade union sponsorship the CLP has received for her for the last 30 years has recently been stopped. It is time the Party did the same.

Criticism of the institutions of the EU is fine. But you have to make them in the light of the objective circumstances of the time; and the objective circumstances now are that the right are advancing across the world and we – you – need to be leading the fightback against them. Rather than bunkering into a ‘socialism in one country’ world view, the fight needs to be taken into Europe, where we need to be working with socialists, not against them.

I hate referendums. But I believe that another is unavoidable if the anti-Europe vote in the first one is to be overturned. You need to not just support another vote, but make it very, very clear that you will campaign and fight to challenge the original decision and support Remain and Reform loudly and proudly.

I believe the advice you are receiving is wrong. You need to get out of the bunker and the Westminster bubble and talk to comrades who take a pro-European view. More than happy to get on the bus and come and chat any time.

Comradely greetings,

Joan Twelves


I too don't understand why nothing ever happens re Kate Hoey. Even seeing the faces of her colleagues sitting next to and behind her reinforces how much she is barely tolerated.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2097 on: February 12, 2019, 02:09:39 PM »
That's a good letter. Pretty much sums up where I'm at with JC and the Labour Party right now. I'm ambivalent about a second referendum, though, and understand why JC might not want to come out loudly and proudly in favour of a second one.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2098 on: February 12, 2019, 02:20:07 PM »
Surely whether he does or doesn't is irrelevant as there is no majority on the house for one? If there were 320-odd MPs sitting round and waiting for Corbyn to give the say so, I'd understand all the ire being directed his way but, as shown at the recent round of votes, they couldn't even get Cooper's amendment passed.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2099 on: February 12, 2019, 02:21:19 PM »
Gina Miller would rather have Brexit than Corbyn then.