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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2940 on: March 18, 2019, 07:03:01 AM »
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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2941 on: March 18, 2019, 08:37:29 AM »
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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2942 on: March 18, 2019, 08:54:49 AM »
Very smug toad. Bad toad.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2943 on: March 18, 2019, 09:02:28 AM »
It's getting closer...

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2944 on: March 18, 2019, 09:05:51 AM »
I'm holding out little hope for the next local election by the way. I live in a key marginal held by a TINger and they've introduced voter ID this year.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2945 on: March 18, 2019, 09:08:46 AM »
I'm holding out little hope

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2946 on: March 18, 2019, 09:25:39 AM »
I'm not sure you see with any clarity the extent to which the left have been pushed into a corner, in the medium term at least. I wish you did, because then we might start to do something about it.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2947 on: March 18, 2019, 09:31:15 AM »
I'm not sure you see with any clarity the extent to which the left have been pushed into a corner, in the medium term at least. I wish you did, because then we might start to do something about it.

All of my life it's been that way. What's different about this week again?

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2948 on: March 18, 2019, 09:49:30 AM »
I'm not sure you see with any clarity the extent to which the left have been pushed into a corner, in the medium term at least. I wish you did, because then we might start to do something about it.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2949 on: March 18, 2019, 11:14:29 AM »
I'm holding out little hope for the next local election by the way. I live in a key marginal held by a TINger and they've introduced voter ID this year.

Local elections can be swayed by local issues not to mention bloody minded dedication - by the way how can a Councillor be part of Tinge?

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2950 on: March 18, 2019, 12:14:34 PM »
Local elections can be swayed by local issues not to mention bloody minded dedication - by the way how can a Councillor be part of Tinge?

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2951 on: March 18, 2019, 01:21:45 PM »
Most people I know vote for a party in local elections rather than a person. I don't think it is any coincidence that the tingers have had a bigger majority in their constituencies since 2015

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2952 on: March 18, 2019, 01:33:17 PM »
Most people I know vote for a party in local elections rather than a person. I don't think it is any coincidence that the tingers have had a bigger majority in their constituencies since 2015

It's interesting (to a demographics fan) to compare whose seats piled up votes and who had a weaker bounce. It does suggest it was nothing much to do with their performance as an MP. Veteran MPs perhaps have greater recognition.

Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2953 on: May 31, 2019, 10:34:21 PM »
I agree, but there is a bigger gap politically between Watson and Corbyn than Watson and Kendall.

Anyway, whatever happens Remainers will continue shouting that Labour haven't done enough to stop a Tory Brexit, despite Labour having only 265 seats in the commons and no majority in the lords.

Let's see:
- Literally campaigned during the referendum to Remain in the EU and directed its voters to do so, with the effect 2/3rds of its voters voted Remain
- After the referendum result was to Leave, Labour justifiably vowed to honour that result during the General Election. People were so outraged, that Labour's vote share increased by 10% and 3 million votes.
- Despite being in opposition Labour secured a meaningful vote via amendments to the legislation, which bore fruit last night when parliament rejected May's deal, but had already been painting the Tories into a corner and weakening the hard Brexit camp and May simultaneously, piece by piece.
- Labour have committed to remaining in a customs union with the EU and ruled out leaving the EU without a deal, soon to be backed up by further amendments in the house
- Labour have passed a no confidence motion in the Government precisely due to its failed Brexit policy
- Labour have inflicted more defeats on the government in two years than occurred between 1979-2010, predominantly over Brexit business.
- Labour have committed in the event if being unable to secure a general election of, among other options, holding a second referendum to see if the mood of the public has changed.

So, it's clear their policy has kept faithful to their pledge to honour the referendum while seeking to shape Brexit policy around Labour's priorities. At every opportunity they have had to reject Brexit as written by the Tories they have done. When they have noticed the mood turning against Brexit they have reflected that in their own policymaking.

Labour's voters were split down the middle on Brexit and so the leadership have quite rightly tread carefully and kept their moral compass focused on Labour voters shared values - worker rights, environmental and legal protections, jobs and trade advantages and backed that up at every opportunity while continuing to uphold their manifesto. That doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but it is time for Remainers to realise Labour owe a pledge to Remainers and Leavers, and therefore have a policy that reflects that.

Labour have also made the - correct - calculation that Remainers need Labour more than Leavers do, so their focus has been on retaining the support and loyalty of working class leavers, a not unfair or unwise ambition at all given most marginal seats up for grabs are in Leaver constituencies and most seats won last time were in Leaver constituencies.

There is no Corbynist plot to drive through Brexit against the will of the party. This is clearly evidenced by the presence of Keir Starmer as Shadow Brexit Secretary who is no-one's idea of a Brexiteer and was chosen by Corbyn. This is clearly evidenced by Labour following the precise motions passed by the members at the party conference.

Remember when people said Corbyn was unelectable because he always put principles before power? Now Remainers are demanding he does the opposite simply because of - factually - minority demands. That's their right to do, but it is deeply hypocritical, feckless, spoilt and intellectually dishonest.

Oh dear.  Quoted for posterity.  Very pompous post given what we know now.

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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2954 on: June 01, 2019, 12:32:06 AM »
Local elections can be swayed by local issues not to mention bloody minded dedication - by the way how can a Councillor be part of Tinge?


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Re: Corbyn 22 Now But It Won't Be For Long
« Reply #2955 on: June 01, 2019, 08:28:22 AM »
Oh dear.  Quoted for posterity.  Very pompous post given what we know now.

Posted for posterity.  You might one day come to your senses about being such a spiteful, downwards-punching cunt, and I’d hate for you to feel you never had this persona and can just move on from it.