Doctor Who - Series 11 (Part 2)

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[Mister Six]

^ Ha!

Heh, I did do that deliberately. And I checked to see how much interaction she had with Ryan and Graham as well (two bits, both pointless) so it seems Houser doesn't really know what to do with the character either. But these are early days and the three issues so far would probably make up only half a tv episode, so it's a bit unfair to judge her on that just yet.

I wonder what restrictions there might be on the comics? Like, one obvious solution is to retool Yaz so she's first and foremost a copper in space - there have been hints at that (when Ryan suggested sacking off helping in Kerblam, I think, but Yaz said they should press on) but I'd go full tilt and have her having her motivated by a desire for justice, trying to mediate arguments (as seen in her first scene) and generally being a good rozzer.

But if there's an editorial edict not to stray too far from what's on the telly they're fucked, because - as we know - there's bugger all there.

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There could be an hilarious running gag whenever the Police Box touches down on the groond and Yaz steps out:  criminals going "YIKES" and darting off!!!!!!

[Mango Chimes]

It's taken to this page of the thread, well after the series ended, to realise they've had a police officer flying around in a police box with POLICE written on the side of it, and have made no play on that whatsoever. Maybe next series!

[Small Man Big Horse]

Heh, lovely work there.

^ Ha!

I wonder what restrictions there might be on the comics? Like, one obvious solution is to retool Yaz so she's first and foremost a copper in space - there have been hints at that (when Ryan suggested sacking off helping in Kerblam, I think, but Yaz said they should press on) but I'd go full tilt and have her having her motivated by a desire for justice, trying to mediate arguments (as seen in her first scene) and generally being a good rozzer.

But if there's an editorial edict not to stray too far from what's on the telly they're fucked, because - as we know - there's bugger all there.

Yeah, I wondered about that too, in one of the other issues the Doctor did actually comment on Yaz being a police officer and it made more use of that aspect of her character, but it was a minor thing and unfortunately so far she's been just as bland as on tv.

[Deanjam]

Daily Mirror saying the next series will be back to Saturdays. It's only source is a "BBC insider" though, so possibly bollocks.

[Jerzy Bondov]

Maybe it will also go back to being good, hehehe.

[Norton Canes]

Hot season 12 news! (hardly seems worth starting a new thread yet): Doctor Who crew filming in 'Sheffield' (actually Cardiff) - Mandip Gill seen outside 'Sheffield' police station!

Clapperboards (or whatever they're called these days) indicate this is episode 1 and a few props seem to indicate this might be a spy-themed story. Also Steven Fry has been seen around the set, though no-one is quite sure if he's a guest star or the episode's writer.

Judging by the signs, either the story is set in the same future as The Invisible Enemy or the proof-readers are on strike...

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Clapperboards (or whatever they're called these days)

Take-bangers
Shot-synchers
Finger-pinchers

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Gooch-narrowers

[Norton Canes]

Action-whackers

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Glans-tongs

[Mister Six]

Judging by the signs, either the story is set in the same future as The Invisible Enemy or the proof-readers are on strike...

?

[Huxleys Babkins]

Nip-trappers
Acting-starters
Go-prompters
Pissabout-stoppers

[Deanjam]

Fiction-flickers

[Norton Canes]

?

'Conferance'

[Mister Six]

Ah!

[Alberon]

Hot season 12 news! (hardly seems worth starting a new thread yet): Doctor Who crew filming in 'Sheffield' (actually Cardiff) - Mandip Gill seen outside 'Sheffield' police station!

Yaz: Doctor, what's a police? It sounds vaguely familiar.

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Hot season 12 news! (hardly seems worth starting a new thread yet)

Weird to think we've run out of things to say about the newest series of Doctor Who, but we have.  I don't think this has happened so quickly since 2005.

[mjwilson]

Bit surprised DWM didn't manage a big interview with Chibnall where he talked about the season. I had supposed that not talking about anything before the episodes would be balanced out by a big post-season chat. Still time for that of course.

[Phil_A]

Yes, odd that. You'd think that would be a courtesy if nothing else.

Reading between the lines, does it imply a distancing between the production office and the magazine that wasn't there under Moffat or Davies? That and the fact Chibnall couldn't be arsed doing the Production Notes column for more than a month. Hmm

[Mister Six]

Yes, odd that. You'd think that would be a courtesy if nothing else.

Reading between the lines, does it imply a distancing between the production office and the magazine that wasn't there under Moffat or Davies? That and the fact Chibnall couldn't be arsed doing the Production Notes column for more than a month. Hmm

Given the half-hearted tone of the one column he did do, perhaps it was a mutual agreement - he couldn't be arsed doing it every month (or fortnight or whatever) and they didn't want to have such mediocre writing taking up space each month?

Do you think Chibnall knows how shit he is?

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Yes, odd that. You'd think that would be a courtesy if nothing else.

Reading between the lines, does it imply a distancing between the production office and the magazine that wasn't there under Moffat or Davies? That and the fact Chibnall couldn't be arsed doing the Production Notes column for more than a month. Hmm

I think it's just that he hasn't got a meaningful hold on what he's doing, and fundamentally doesn't have anything interesting to say about the show.

You've seen his series 11 interviews, I assume?  He's stupifyingly dull.

[Mister Six]

So at least he's brand-consistent.

[Kelvin]

I think it's just that he hasn't got a meaningful hold on what he's doing

Of the many valid criticisms, I'm not sure this is fair of Chibnall, really. If nothing else, he did seems to to have some over-arcing sense of what he wanted the show to be; more Young Adult in tone, a more explicit focus on social issues, a bigger, more diverse team, no major series arc, a greatly reduced reliance on Classic monsters and references.

He and his writers just too shit to make any of that work in the show's favour.

EDIT; actually the more overtly progressive tone is about the only thing I did like about the series, so I suppose there's that.

[VelourSpirit]

more Young Adult in tone

I have no idea what tone they were going for. RTD and Moffat Who could be mature and they were clearly written by some very horny and funny men. Can't really say any of series 11 was funny or horny.

[VelourSpirit]

I hope I never run out of Moffat DWM columns to read because they're quite a comfort when I'm thinking about how dull series 11 was. https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/3sirsd/production_notes_steven_moffat_qa_for_doctor_who/

"Treat it like you own it," is what I'm always telling people on Doctor Who. Writers, directors, actors, everybody. We are not tending to a mausoleum, we are making a real, living, breathing TV show - one that must change, and surprise, and break every rule it can find. Drama not dogma. It's hard sometimes - harder than I mostly let on. As fans go - and I'm still more a fan than anything - I'm pretty dogmatic. Change makes me whimper. Continuity keeps me awake. I'm still working on my definitive answer to UNIT dating (it was a tough choice, but I've opted for Jo Grant. Sorry, Corporal Bell). So what I really want is a script that makes [me] go "No, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!"

[Kelvin]

I have no idea what tone they were going for. RTD and Moffat Who could be mature and they were clearly written by some very horny and funny men. Can't really say any of series 11 was funny or horny.

No, but it did frequently - and in my view, intentionally - feel like the kind of Young Adult shows/films that you get a lot of nowadays. Visually a bit grittier than things like RTD/Moffat Who, and tonally a bit more earnest and worthy.   

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No, but it did frequently - and in my view, intentionally - feel like the kind of Young Adult shows/films that you get a lot of nowadays. Visually a bit grittier than things like RTD/Moffat Who, and tonally a bit more earnest and worthy.

More derivative of modern things?  Not sure if that counts as an active decision though, or just a failure to strike out in a unique direction.  Feels like he might be doing it subconsciously, to be honest, just absorbing what's happening nowadays on television and echoing it.

Tonally more earnest and worthy is a side effect of his writing being so weak and clunky.  There's little room for humorous nuances, for example, or poetic language, because he's using every pore of his being to make his characters do things that drive the stories forward.

[Alberon]

I would love to know what Chibnall honestly thought worked last series and what didn't.

Though we'll have to wait until next year to see if there has been any real changes.