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'Sorry Dr Rock, you are banned from using this forum! Dont come back this time.'

Started by No Name Maddox, November 06, 2018, 10:54:08 AM

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Kelvin

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 08, 2018, 07:15:41 PM
Your perception of course but I think you are trying to fashion a narrative that wouldn't be the case if you delved through his post history.

Well, I read his posts as he was making them, and that was my take on it. Are you saying he never got lazy? Maybe I've misremembered, but I do distinctly remember some of his later posts felt more blunt and half arsed than the perverse lyricism of his peak.

Blue Jam

Pijlstaarts is a cut above. His posts almost made me want Andrew to win Bake-Off.

BlodwynPig

This critique of Poo's oeuvre is reaching the critical heights of an Ebert or, dare I say, a Wollaston.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Twit 2 on November 08, 2018, 06:50:32 PM
I think you missed my point. At their best, poo's posts were not random or lazy; they were carefully worded and had a consistent interior logic. At peak he was just as much of a comedy character as Pijlstaart, posting from an absurd parallel word. (Of course, P-start is the better wordsmith overall  and writes in a completely different style, but I think their dedication to creating a comic persona is/was similar.)

Each to their own. You're welcome to the one I never found funny.


Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: madhair60 on November 08, 2018, 03:26:28 PM
Neil/Blue Jam: I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's the same. I think there was a level of craft in it that created a great distance between his stuff and just witless repetition of the n-word (I was chastised for "ironically" using the latter on here many years ago, deservedly).

I thought Poo's output was brilliant work; science fiction degeneracy mixed in with somehow grounded depraved nonsense, like poetry. The facade never slipped. It was horrible but brilliant, then when Janie Jones (iirc) questioned it, he apologised and stopped immediately. Fair play to the cunt.

Not gonna argue the toss because it was never gonna register as sexually aggressive to me, being a bloody bloke and all. Just checking my privilege. Yep! Still got it. Wicked

Absolutely. I'm not sure where this weird concept has come from that a character/persona must stick within the same boundaries of speaking as you or I would during an earnest conversation. The whole idea of someone behaving in that outlandish permanently horny way is what makes it amusing. Some people don't like it as it's immature (which it obviously is), which is fine. But just because they have dismissed it on that basis, doesn't mean the rest of it don't appreciate its, well, clownishness. The juxtaposition of it being produced by a bored grown man obviously makes that funnier, particularly given the harmlessness of it (YES. I'll come to that)

Also, as I stated at the time, if you check the record check the record check the guy's track record when he has used slut this is more often used in a man-on-man context rather than to refer to women (and like it or not, slut is a very commonly used word in the gay community). I'm not saying that makes it better, but it does quite clearly show it isn't pointed at women but lexicon from his base fuck-everything porno-world and the character itself is quite clearly not portraying itself as a paragon of moral virtue. Where has this bizarre recent insistence come from that comedy characters must behave appropriately?

Really, to me this is another example of a word being appropriate in the context with which it is being used.

To be fair, just as Blue Jam doesn't want to be told she doesn't 'get it' (and I do think pancreas is right - despite your insistence you couldn't possibly get it by virtue of what you have posted about poo), I don't think how you, or how Buelligan feels (or how anyone of any gender feels) based purely on your lived experience of the word in your life should have any weighting over the key question of whether it could potentially be appropriate to use.

As that isn't in dispute - the word could potentially be appropriate any time it is used - perhaps we could use this opportunity to shore up the chasm of bad faith that has opened up and allow the context to guide our response, and cushion that further still with a friendly assumption the person behind the words is not necessarily evil/has not caused any grave injury. It may become apparent later down the line but that's a matter for then.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Kelvin on November 08, 2018, 07:28:35 PM
Well, I read his posts as he was making them, and that was my take on it. Are you saying he never got lazy? Maybe I've misremembered, but I do distinctly remember some of his later posts felt more blunt and half arsed than the perverse lyricism of his peak.

Fits and starts, I think. Some of the early stuff was incredibly lazy.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 08, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
Absolutely. I'm not sure where this weird concept has come from that a character/persona must always be politically correct. The whole idea of someone behaving in that outlandish permanently horny way is what makes it amusing. Some people don't like it as it's immature (which it obviously is), which is fine. But just because they have dismissed it on that basis, doesn't mean the rest of it don't appreciate its, well, clownishness. The juxtaposition of it being produced by a bored grown man obviously makes that funnier, particularly given the harmlessness of it (YES. I'll come to that)

Also, as I stated at the time, if you check the record check the record check the guy's track record when he has used slut this is more often used in a man-on-man context rather than to refer to women (and like it or not, slut is a very commonly used word in the gay community). I'm not saying that makes it better, but it does quite clearly show it isn't pointed at women, and the character itself is quite clearly not portraying itself as a paragon of moral virtue. Where has this bizarre recent insistence come from that comedy characters must behave appropriately?

Really, to me this is another example of a word being appropriate in the context with which it is being used.

To be fair, just as Blue Jam doesn't want to be told she doesn't 'get it' (and I do think pancreas is right - despite your insistence you couldn't possibly get it by virtue of what you have posted about poo), I don't think how you, or how Buelligan feels (or how anyone of any gender feels) based purely on your lived experience of the word in your life should have any weighting over the key question of whether it could potentially be appropriate to use.

As that isn't in dispute - the word could potentially be appropriate any time it is used - perhaps we could use this opportunity to shore up the chasm of bad faith that has opened up and allow the context to guide our response, and cushion that further still with a friendly assumption the person behind the words is not necessarily evil/has not caused any grave injury. It may become apparent later down the line but that's a matter for then.

Oh shut up you flaccid slet. 

Thursday

Only just caught up with the thread, and this all very strange because he revealed himself to me in a PM thanking me for editing a post in a thread where I guess someone  else had 2nd thoughts about something, so some of us edited our replies to the post that had been edited to spare that person's blushes... but I can't remember the context of it at all, and now that's maddening me, although it's probably best for it to stay that way. Was anyone else involved in those PM's on the 26th September 2015?

Cuellar

tl;dr 'you have no right NOT to be offended hoooooooooonk braaaaaaaaay'

Barry Admin

Quote from: Thursday on November 08, 2018, 07:48:48 PM
Only just caught up with the thread, and this all very strange because he revealed himself to me in a PM thanking me for editing a post in a thread where I guess someone  else had 2nd thoughts about something, so some of us edited our replies to the post that had been edited to spare that person's blushes... but I can't remember the context of it at all, and now that's maddening me, although it's probably best for it to stay that way. Was anyone else involved in those PM's on the 26th September 2015?

Presumably this is the time when I read a thread where it seemed like people had clearly edited out a discussion about a banned user returning to the site to hide it from me, and I felt like absolute shit.

Also quite sure the remnants made it clear who it had been, but not who they were now/then, so I just had to forget about it. Although I will stress that it really did make me feel like absolute shit.

Maurice Yeatman

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 08, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
check the record check the record check the guy's track record


I remember someone drawing attention to the quietness of his voice in a daft audio upload he did in his bathroom years ago, which sounded like he didn't want his wife and kids to hear him. Probably wearing a cap and gown at the time too.

Thursday

Quote from: Barry Admin on November 08, 2018, 08:06:26 PM
Presumably this is the time when I read a thread where it seemed like people had clearly edited out a discussion about a banned user returning to the site to hide it from me, and I felt like absolute shit.

Also quite sure the remnants made it clear who it had been, but not who it was now, so I just had to forget about it. Although I will stress that it really did make me feel like absolute shit.

Well I don't remember, but it doesn't seem to be anything to do with hiding things from you.

I've dragged something else up now haven't I, sorry.

Squink

Quote from: Thursday on November 08, 2018, 07:48:48 PMhe revealed himself to me in a PM

This instantly violates the site's strictly enforced "dirty raincoat" rule. So you've outed him for that as well.

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: Barry Admin on November 08, 2018, 08:06:26 PM
Although I will stress that it really did make me feel like absolute shit.

Don't beat yourself up. You have an unenviable task keeping us motley crew in line over the past decade.

I know you've just come back from the dentists but have some sweets.



Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Barry Admin on November 08, 2018, 08:06:26 PM
it seemed like people had clearly edited out a discussion about a banned user returning to the site to hide it from me

I don't remember that thread, but I really don't think that would have been the intent, Barry. I would imagine the redactions were done in accordance with your desire for these boards to be as conflict free as possible. No point in reheating all that strife if the person involved had changed, as they claimed.

But I do understand that that is how it could look.


New Jack

Quote from: DolphinFace on November 08, 2018, 08:29:01 PM
So when's the big reveal?

And by that, I mean Biggy's cock.

We've known he's a cock for ages?

... I probably shouldn't be actually proud of that one, but, yknow

Dex Sawash

Quote from: BlodwynPig on November 08, 2018, 07:34:01 PM
This critique of Poo's oeuvre is reaching the critical heights of an Ebert or, dare I say, a Wollaston.

something about a mark in the commode

buzby

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on November 08, 2018, 07:13:48 PM
You're not the only one - I'm basically the same on here as I am in real life, and on every other forum I've been a member of.  The only artifice is that this is my second CaB identity, but that's only cos my previous username was the first part of my email address (schoolboy error) so I had to be careful what I talked about on here.  Now I can talk about bums and willys with gusto.

I'm a completely boring bastard in real life, just like I am on here.

BW, your spirited defence of Dr. Rock's new leaf in your earlier post carries more weight considering the grief he and others  gave you in the BR2049 thread (I just stopped responding, recognising that further discussion was all but  pointless).

BlodwynPig

Quote from: buzby on November 08, 2018, 09:20:21 PM
I'm a completely boring bastard in real life, just like I am on here.

BW, your spirited defence of Dr. Rock's new leaf in your earlier post carries more weight considering the grief he and others  gave you in the BR2049 thread (I just stopped responding, recognising that further discussion was all but  pointless).

I saw you posting something about batteries. Seemed very specific. Do you have all this knowledge on gadgets, vehicles, weaponry, mechanics etc in your brain or do you have to still look up stuff to compile these detailed posts? Impressive either way - and not boring. Reminds me of my grandad and his knowledge of the minutiae of engines.

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: buzby on November 08, 2018, 09:20:21 PM
I'm a completely boring bastard in real life, just like I am on here.


You're one of the least boring bastards I've ever encountered on the net.

Quote from: BlodwynPig on November 08, 2018, 09:24:06 PM
I saw you posting something about batteries. Seemed very specific. Do you have all this knowledge on gadgets, vehicles, weaponry, mechanics etc in your brain or do you have to still look up stuff to compile these detailed posts? Impressive either way - and not boring. Reminds me of my grandad and his knowledge of the minutiae of engines.
He does it all on the Fly, its one of the Joys of (spam) having Buzby talk abou Gun makes and models or Cars or Trimline Phones. A man who can regonise Beauty in a bit of old Engineering.

Blue Jam

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 08, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
To be fair, just as Blue Jam doesn't want to be told she doesn't 'get it' (and I do think pancreas is right - despite your insistence you couldn't possibly get it by virtue of what you have posted about poo), I don't think how you, or how Buelligan feels (or how anyone of any gender feels) based purely on your lived experience of the word in your life should have any weighting over the key question of whether it could potentially be appropriate to use.

Yep, a person's lived experience of bigotry is something they should just get the fuck over when they see a bit of harmless banter... fucking hell, you've mansplained mansplaining, now this?

To poo's credit, when Janie Jones called him out on his use of the word "slut", he didn't try to defend it and instead admitted that he may have been in the wrong and should probably be more considerate and try to avoid upsetting people in the future, and that's what he did when he retired the character. Fair play to him for that.

Buelligan, Janie Jones and myself have all admitted that this jokey sexism makes us feel uncomfortable and we're all women who have had to put up with this crap in the real world and have grown very sick of it. Instead of dismissing our reflections on our lived experience, perhaps there's something in that to go away and have a think about?

Twit 2

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 08, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
Absolutely. I'm not sure where this weird concept has come from that a character/persona must stick within the same boundaries of speaking as you or I would during an earnest conversation. The whole idea of someone behaving in that outlandish permanently horny way is what makes it amusing. Some people don't like it as it's immature (which it obviously is), which is fine. But just because they have dismissed it on that basis, doesn't mean the rest of it don't appreciate its, well, clownishness. The juxtaposition of it being produced by a bored grown man obviously makes that funnier, particularly given the harmlessness of it (YES. I'll come to that)

Yes, the total puerility of his output was pushed so far that it comes full circle and just becomes strangely innocent, if anything.

I remember a Withnail and I thread a while ago where a few people said they don't find it funny or particularly well written. I posited that you can open the script on any page and point your finger randomly at any line and it would be something amazing ("We're coming back in here" was the example, incidentally). Now I'm not saying poo is Bruce Robinson or people who don't appreciate either are comedically tone deaf, but there is absolutely a high level of language skill going on in poo's best stuff. You can dislike it, but it's there.

Blue Jam

Some people would make the same argument in defence of The Mighty Boosh... I'm sure they spent a lot of time writing and rewriting their scripts and there's more to them than LOLRANDOM, but that doesn't mean I have to like or appreciate them.

Whimsy done badly is something I have always found excruciating. poo is like The Mighty Boosh to Pijlstaarts's Reeves and Mortimer. Plus Pijlstaart always gives good insightful Bake-Off analysis.

Twit 2

Well I totally love what Pjilstaart does - he's great. I also like poo. Yay me.

Blue Jam

Incidentally, here's what Andrew from off Bake-Off has to say about gender stereotypes:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/great-british-bake-off-andrew-smyth-channel-4-bbc-interview-a7621431.html

Quote"When I look at baking I rarely consider what's manly or not - I love making everything from delicate cupcakes to massive loaves"

I bet he makes massive loaves, doesn't he Pijlstaart?

Zetetic

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on November 08, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
I don't think how you, or how Buelligan feels (or how anyone of any gender feels) based purely on your lived experience of the word in your life should have any weighting over the key question of whether it could potentially be appropriate to use.
I'm not sure how this theory of meaning works, if people are supposed to completely disregard* their existing interpretation of words (based on how they've experienced them being used previously) every time they come across a new instance of them.

Besides which even a positive appraisal of poo's use of 'slut' surely depends on appreciating the general denigratory use of the slur - the argument is broadly that it's doing some sort work to subvert or at least play with it, isn't it? (And the counterargument is broadly that it's not doing enough to justify its repetition.)

* 'any weighting'

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: Zetetic on November 08, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
I'm not sure how this theory of meaning works, if people are supposed to completely disregard* their existing interpretation of words (based on how they've experienced them being used previously) every time they come across a new instance of them.

Besides which even a positive appraisal of poo's use of 'slut' surely depends on appreciating the general denigratory use of the slur - the argument is broadly that it's doing some sort work to subvert or at least play with it, isn't it? (And the counterargument is broadly that it's not doing enough to justify its repetition.)

* 'any weighting'

You're a thoughtful, intelligent Cabber, Z, but your posts often feel like a dictionary has just thrown up on my screen.


Oo, it's all coming out now! x