Post Beatles Beatles relationships

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Is it possible that McCartney thought the schmaltzy strings made it look like he was trying to emulate the superior arrangement on Lennon's Good Night, and failing?

I'm not sure how much of a hand Lennon had in the orchestra and choir arrangement of Good Night.  In one book I read years ago (Revolution in the Head maybe?), I'm sure it said Lennon was surprised by how schmaltzy the arrangement ended up being, and didn't seem entirely sure of the humorous intent behind it.

The difference between a lot of these might be the success of parody.  'When I'm 64' is a nice pastiche whereas 'Martha My Dear' attempts something similar and misses the mark, in my view.  And the fact that 'The Long and Winding Road' is schmaltzy without being aware that it is could be its main problem.

[The Bumlord]

he's definitely the 'complicated' one of the four of them. I find most of his lyrics quite impenetrable, but not necessarily in a bad way. what the hell's this all about, for example?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_LiEjIMhoc

No idea, but that's great.

The voice, the suspicious sweatiness of Macca, everything.

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Loads of McCartney lyrics involve sport metaphors, for some reason.  Random stuff about catching balls and scoring goals and hitting stuff towards the distance with bats.

It's so strange because I simply don't associate him with sport at all.  If it was Mike Love I'd at least go "yeah he looks like the kind of person who can't stop banging on about sport".

[biggytitbo]

No idea, but that's great.

The voice, the suspicious sweatiness of Macca, everything.

His lyrics are very underrated, not least because he does churn out a lot of filler too. But mainly because he writes in a very guarded, abstract almost surreal way, unlike Lennon's solo stuff which is often very on point, McCartney disguises his true feelings, even if you can usually get a gist from the music.

One of my faves is Monkberry moon delight, god knows what its really about but I always saw it as a post apocalyptic tale, with some beautifully dense and imaginative lyrics

So I sat in the attic a piano up my nose
And the wind played a dreadful cantata
Sore was I from the crack of a enemy's hose
And the horrible sound of tomato

When a rattle of rats had awoken
The sinews, the nerves and the veins
My piano was boldly outspoken
In attempts to repeat its refrain
So I stood with a knot in my stomach
And I gazed at that terrible sight
Of two youngsters concealed in a barrel
Sipping monkberry moon delight

he could also craft perfectly composed little poetic nuggets

My eye cries out
A tear still born
Misunderstanding
Love in song

and was always great at concentrated narrative:

Me and Sally took up
Things began to look up
Me and her were going strong
Then she started lying
I could see our love was dying
I heard a voice say
"Move along, move along"

not to mention utter bollocks:

Romans, Italians, country men
I want you to listen to me
I've said it twice and I'll say it again
We've got some pretty soily company
Liar, cheater, jungle chief
Saint, believer on relief
Action painter, Hitler's son
And a commie with a tommy gun

and genuinely funny stuff:

There was a banjo player
Who kept an extra layer
Of dunlopillo mattress in his van
But when the famous groupies
Arrived with their twin snoopies*
Nobody saw which way the poor boy ran
Nobody does it like a famous groupie can

*ie dogs

There was a classic story
Of a roadie nicknamed rory
Who used to practice voodoo on the side
When the famous twosome
Suggested something gruesome
All that they found was a crater two miles wide
Which left the music business absolutely horrified

there was one song where he was uncharacteristically bitter, really dropping the guard and doing a Lennon, and everyone knows exactly who he's talking about:

I bit my tongue
I never talked too much
I tried to be so strong
I did my best
I used the gentle touch
I've done it for so long

You put me down
But I can laugh it off
And act like nothing's wrong

But why pretend
I think I've heard enough
Of your familiar song

I tell you what I'm going to do
I'll try to take my mind off you
And now that you don't need my help
I'll use the time to think about myself

You're not aware
Of what you put me through
But now the feeling's gone
But I don't mind
Do what you have to do
You don't fool anyone

I'll tell you what I'm going to do
I'll take a different point of view
And now that you don't need my help
I'll use the time to think about myself

The definition of friendship
Apparently ought to be
Showing support for the
One that you love
And I was open to friendship
But you didn't seem to have any to spare
While you were riding to Vanity Fair

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You forgot the constant sport metaphors.

[The Bumlord]

Paul is ace isn't he?

[biggytitbo]

Always loved that he sneaked out a song made from adverts for porn films out on the b side of Mull of kintyre, which made it into millions of living rooms:

Sleepy head, kid sister
Lying on the floor
18 years and younger, boy
Well she knows what she's waiting for
Yuki's a cool school mistress
She's an oriental princess
She shows films in the classroom, boy
The put the paper on the windows

[Maurice Yeatman]

Paul is ace isn't he?

Without Paul McCartney, there'd be no Norm from Cheers miming to Mark King from Level 42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un3TmvzoVYM (and no Gorden Kaye miming to Mel & Kim).

[biggytitbo]

Haha what the fuck is that?

[Maurice Yeatman]

Still not sure myself. It's weird enough before you twig that they're miming to the Ferry Aid single: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeD0YwEQ_iU. (A few random celebs in that one as well.)

[thecuriousorange]

Without Paul McCartney, there'd be no Norm from Cheers miming to Mark King from Level 42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un3TmvzoVYM (and no Gorden Kaye miming to Mel & Kim).

I got about half way through before I started getting suspicious. Some of it is really well done.

[biggytitbo]

Some of them look like they're really singing it though, it's quite confusing. What a strange creation.

[Maurice Yeatman]

Some tweaking and overdubbing going on in places. Eg Huey Lewis at the start seems to be miming Macca's part, then T-bone Jason Alexander is miming Macca mixed with some other vocals. And then Ricki Lake is miming to Boy George...

I'm very partial to Detective Tubbs miming a guitar solo as if he's never seen one before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un3TmvzoVYM#t=140s

[biggytitbo]

It's amazingly well done as I presume they must have painstakingly cut each person out of some other footage to do it. I absolutely lost it when columbo briefly popped up I have to admit

[Maurice Yeatman]

I absolutely lost it when columbo briefly popped up I have to admit

Immediately followed by Kelly McGillis mouthing Kate Bush. It doesn't get much better than that.

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It has a charity single vibe to it, so the link to Ferry Aid makes a lot of sense.

Is it a promotion for a cable channel or something?

[DrGreggles]

It's for a Norwegian TV show.

As is this: https://youtu.be/sEgqApMS3wE

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It's for a Norwegian TV show.

As is this: https://youtu.be/sEgqApMS3wE

KIM WILDE
^{POP DRONING}

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

in which case I'm talking quite firmly out of my arse.

I'm no expert on the Bristol stool scale but I'm pretty sure that's what you want.

[biggytitbo]

I can't stop watching that let it be thing, it's one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I can't entirely fathom what it is exactly, but it's definetly the finest thing to ever star Dolph Lungdren and Gordon kaye.

[DrGreggles]

I can't stop watching that let it be thing, it's one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I can't entirely fathom what it is exactly, but it's definetly the finest thing to ever star Dolph Lungdren and Gordon kaye.

The other one I linked to is equally bizarre.
I'd love to know the thought process behind who to include.

[biggytitbo]

The other one I linked to is equally bizarre.
I'd love to know the thought process behind who to include.

Haha the big laugh on that other one is when Peter Shilton appears.

I don't know who it is who decides on the celebrities but I truly love them, it's just perfection.

[Nowhere Man]

I'd often wondered why Roger Moore, Peter Falk, Right Said Fred, George Constanza, Dolph Lundgren, Gorden Kaye, Leslie Neilson, and Norm from Cheers hadn't collaborated before. Thanks.

[SteveDave]

I read it right after reading joe gooden's "riding so high", which concentrates, without judgement, on the various pills & potions that were in play during the fab four's rise & fall.
doggett's book is by some distance the more illuminating of the two, but they're both worth having if you're at all a student of their careers during & after.

Joe Gooden can suck a fuck

[grassbath]

Joe Gooden can suck a fuck

Why?

[SteveDave]

Why?

Because.

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Here Comes The Sun King.

[Satchmo Distel]

Lewisohn is hoping to do a 4th volume that would run to the end of 1974, according to this Q&A

http://wogew.blogspot.com/2018/08/mark-lewisohn-q-from-beatleweek-2018.html

[biggytitbo]

Why 1974? Was that when the Beatles were officially dissolves as a legal entity? There's some logic to that I suppose, but 1980 feels more like the natural end to me

[the science eel]

I wish he'd fucking get on with the second volume and stop parading all these other ideas on SOC MED. Workshy Yank clown