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Re: Post Beatles Beatles relationships
« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2018, 04:38:21 PM »
Weren't some of those released later than 1970. I'll have think about mine but its definately ending with God.

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« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2018, 04:42:29 PM »
Yes, but they were all written between 1968 and 1970.

As for God, would John include a song saying he doesn't believe in the Beatles on an actual Beatles album? That feels quite perverse, even for him.

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« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2018, 04:49:14 PM »
That's why I think it would be on there as it's exactly what 1970 john would do if he was somehow forced to remain in the band. I guess he might soften some of the lyrics though.

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« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2018, 04:53:26 PM »
Yeah, you're probably right.

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« Reply #64 on: December 03, 2018, 05:02:05 PM »
Wonderful Christmas Time is fantastic though.

Nothing wrong with it. And, whisper it, I like Mary Had A Little Lamb as well. I was talking about what Lennon must have made of it.

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« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2018, 05:05:05 PM »
I'm sure he would have got the joke.

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« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2018, 05:14:59 PM »
Do we know for sure it was a joke though? You can't always tell with McCartney. I'm sure he said he wrote it as a children's song for Mary.

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« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2018, 05:18:46 PM »
Quick Google and it seems he has given two different answers over the years, mine and yours. Either way, there no doubt it's meant to be a joke, have you seen the video?

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« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2018, 05:30:55 PM »
Quick Google and it seems he has given two different answers over the years, mine and yours. Either way, there no doubt it's meant to be a joke, have you seen the video?

Yes, it was me that linked to it. It's silly and they know it, but that doesn't necessarily mean the song itself was meant as a joke.

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« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2018, 05:43:11 PM »
Yes, but they were all written between 1968 and 1970.

As for God, would John include a song saying he doesn't believe in the Beatles on an actual Beatles album? That feels quite perverse, even for him.

The inherent perversity sounds exactly like something the early-to-mid '70s John Lennon would do. If anything, it seems quite tame compared to the bizarre assortment of political causes he successively lent his name to, up to 1975.

After all, he concludes that verse by stating "I just believe in me, Yoko and me" - which could more succinctly have simply been stated at the beginning, thus obviating the need to tell listeners what he doesn't believe in.

However it would also circumnavigate the need for what is clearly a classic solo Lennon song, written in the midst of all his primal scream pain and rattles.

Hence whilst the logic is basically the same as an inversion of Stewart Lee's deconstruction of All Things Bright And Beautiful - it fails to account for the inherent value of the final product.

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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2018, 08:33:31 PM »
Someone's made some very lengthy films about the Lennon McCartney relationship here which look like the might be interesting. 90 minutes each and 4 of them! - https://www.youtube.com/user/paigeconte/videos


Thanks for this. I'm only nearing the end of part 2 and it's got so much stuff I've never seen/heard before.

The 'private' chats with Macca et al about Yoko are eye-opening. Especially Linda making a vomiting noise when her name's mentioned. Crikey.

And poor old Ringo looking like he wants to kill himself in the background while everyone's arguing over each other.

Also Paul on what religion means to him : "Fuck all. Fuck alll".

The channel also has a Macca mixtape which is great. "I just like noise, you know". I bloody love that man, embarrassing uncle that he may sometimes be.
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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2018, 11:24:59 PM »
Fantasy post-Abbey Road Beatles album? Why not, it's something to do when you're bored. Released in 1970, the track listing is as follows...

Side one

Instant Karma! (We All Shine On)
It Don't Come Easy
Another Day
Gimme Some Truth

Monkberry Moon Delight
Wah-Wah
Love
Mother


Side two

Beware Of Darkness
Maybe I'm Amazed
What Is Life
Working Class Hero
Junk
My Sweet Lord
The Back Seat of My Car


Sorted.

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« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2018, 01:53:38 AM »
Someone's made some very lengthy films about the Lennon McCartney relationship here which look like the might be interesting. 90 minutes each and 4 of them! - https://www.youtube.com/user/paigeconte/videos

Thanks for sharing that link, biggy, so much there that I've neither seen nor heard. Fascinating.

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« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2018, 01:57:40 AM »
Sorted.

John only gets three songs on that version? Paul just gets four? Utter lunacy, you've made this fantasy look pointless and foolish.

Beware of Darkness
is a good song, but it's no way to start side two of a Beatles album. Closing side one with a pair of introspective/harrowing Lennon tunes is a bit much too.

All a bit of fun, obviously.

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Re: Post Beatles Beatles relationships
« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2018, 03:41:21 AM »
I've made a shit ton of 'what if' Beatles albums, most of them are double albums (very realistic, I know)
So here's Nowhere Man's Alternative Beatles Discography (1970-1998)

All Things Must Pass (December 1970)



Side One
1. Instant Karma! (We All Shine On)
2. Every Night
3. What Is Life
4. It Don't Come Easy
5. Maybe I'm Amazed
6. Love
(Total Length: 20:46)

Side Two
7. My Sweet Lord
8. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
9. Isolation
10. That Would Be Something
11. Hold On
12. Isn't It A Pity
(Total Length: 24:16)

Side Three
1. Early 1970
2. Another Day
3. Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)
4. Oh My Love
5. Heart Of The Country
6. If Not for You
7. Mother
(Total Length: 22:36)

Side Four
8. Too Many People
9. Cold Turkey (Edit)
10. All Things Must Pass
11. Junk
12. Gimme Some Truth
13. Teddy Boy
14. Beware of Darkness
(Total Length: 23:29)

plus another double for 1971

Above The Clouds (September 1971)



Side One
1. Oh Woman, Oh Why
2. Jealous Guy
3. Wah-Wah
4. Get On The Right Thing
5. Apple Scruffs
6. Ram On (Full Version)
(Total Length: 25:13)

Side Two
7. Oh Yoko!
8. Back Off Boogaloo
9. Run of the Mill
10. Little Lamb Dragonfly
11. Power To The People
12. Awaiting on You All
(Total Length: 23:10)

Side Three
1. Smile Away
2. Imagine
3. I'd Have You Anytime
4. Monkberry Moon Delight
5. Crippled Inside
6. Art of Dying
(Total Length: 22:54)

Side Four
7. How?
8. Dear Boy
9. Bangla Desh
10. Tomorrow
11. Working Class Hero
12. The Back Seat Of My Car
(Total Length: 21:40)

and 1973:

Love Is The Answer (December 1973)



Side One
1. Band On The Run
2. Photograph
3. Out the Blue
4. The Light That Has Lighted the World
5. Jet
6. Intuition
7. Don't Let Me Wait Too Long
(Total Length: 26:17)

Side Two
8. Let Me Roll It
9. Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth)
10. You Are Here
11. Live And Let Die
12. I Know (I Know)
13. Picasso's Last Words (Drink To Me)
(Total Length: 25:31)

Side Three
1. Mind Games
2. Bluebird
3. Six O' Clock
4. New York City
5. Hi Hi Hi
6. Deep Blue
(Total Length: 24:25)

Side Four
7. I'm The Greatest
8. My Love
9. Living in The Material World
10. Helen Wheels
11. Meat City
12. Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five
(Total Length: 25:12)

and 1975:

Rock Show (1975)



Side One
1. Venus & Mars
2. Rock Show
3. This Guitar Can't Keep from Crying
4. Move Over Ms. L
5. You're Sixteen
6. Letting Go
7. Whatever Gets You Through The Night
(Total Length: 24:27)

Side Two
8. Junior's Farm
9. You
10. Old Dirt Road
11. No No Song
12. Love In Song
13. Going Down On Love
14. You Gave Me the Answer
(Total Length: 24:06)

Side Three
1. #9 Dream
2. Listen to What the Man Said
3. Dark Horse (Early Take)
4. Stand By Me
5. Magneto and Titanium Man
6. Steel And Glass
(Total Length: 24:31)

Side Four
7. Call Me Back Again
8. Tired of Midnight Blue
9. Mrs Vandebilt
10. Nobody Loves You (When You're Down And Out)
11. Venus and Mars (Reprise)
12. Goodnight Vienna
(Total Length: 24:24)

and of course the 70s Live album, which actually used performances from all of their solo careers, crossfaded and all that good stuff to give the effect it's all one concert. All the performances are taken from between 1971-1976 with the exception of the opening track, which is from 1979 (taking liberties I know):

The Beatles: Live! (1979)



Side One
1. Got to Get You Into My Life
2. Jet
3. Instant Karma (We All Shine On)
4. While My Guitar Gently Weeps [Feat. Eric Clapton]
5. Lady Madonna
6. It Don't Come Easy
(Total Length: 21:05)

Side Two
7. Give Peace A Chance / Maybe I'm Amazed
8. Something
9. Blackbird
10. Yesterday
11. Imagine
12. Band On The Run
(Total Length: 22:04)

Side Three
1. Cold Turkey
2. The Fool On The Hill / My Sweet Lord
3. Whatever Gets You Through The Night / The Long and Winding Road
(Total Length: 21:02)

Side Four
4. Here Comes The Sun / Live And Let Die
5. Come Together
6. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds / I Saw Her Standing There [Feat. Elton John]
7. Let It Be
(Total Length: 24:01)

and finally we reach the end of the decade, and so begins the 80s:

Old Wave (1980)



Side One
1. (Just Like) Starting Over
2. Love Comes To Everyone
3. We're Open Tonight
4. Coming Up
5. I'm Losing You
6. Wrack My Brain
7. Blow Away
(Total Length: 23:11)

Side Two
8. Daytime Nighttime Suffering
9. Watching The Wheels
10. Arrow Through Me
11. Woman
12. Goodnight Tonight
13. Waterfalls
(Total Length: 23:04)

Side Three
1. Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy)
2. Not Guilty
3. I'm Carrying
4. Cleanup Time
5. Temporary Secretary
6. I Don't Wanna Face It
7. Getting Closer
(Total Length: 24:17)

Side Four
1. Here Comes the Moon
2. (Forgive Me) My Little Flower Princess)
3. With A Little Luck
4. Beautiful Girl
5. Dear Yoko
6. Faster
7. Baby's Request
(Total Length: 24:18)

and after John's death, my tracklist for the mid 80s Beatles album. (album cover not mine as with most of these, I only worked on the 'Love is The Answer', 'Live' and 'Old Wave' cover's.)

War Peace (1984)



Side One
1. Nobody Told Me
2. Take It Away
3. I Don't Want to Do It
4. In My Car
5. Wanderlust
6. Borrowed Time
7. That's The Way It Goes
(Total Length: 25:45)

Side Two
8. No More Lonely Nights
9. I'm Stepping Out
10. Tug Of War
11. Pipes of Peace
12. Real Love (Home Recording)
13. Here Today
14. All Those Years Ago
(Total Length: 25:48)

and last one I promise, but what if The Threetles decided to make a full album after working on the new songs for the Anthology project in the mid 90s? What if they managed to finish John's, 'Now and Then'? Here's the final Beatles album.

Now and Then (1998)



1. Real Love (Anthology)
2. Calico Skies
3. Any Road
4. The Songs We Were Singing
5. Free As A Bird (Anthology)
6. La De Da
7. Stuck Inside a Cloud
8. Now and Then
9. Somedays
10. Rising Sun
11. Little Willow
12. What in the... World
13. Grow Old With Me (George Martin Orchestrated Version)
14. Beautiful Night
(Total Length: 56:40)

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Re: Post Beatles Beatles relationships
« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2018, 08:02:46 AM »
John only gets three songs on that version? Paul just gets four? Utter lunacy, you've made this fantasy look pointless and foolish.

Beware of Darkness
is a good song, but it's no way to start side two of a Beatles album. Closing side one with a pair of introspective/harrowing Lennon tunes is a bit much too.

All a bit of fun, obviously.

Yeah, I think you're probably right about the back-to-back Lennons. I don't think 'Beware of Darkness' is a bad way to kick off a side, tho'. It might be my very fave GH.

I've never liked 'Another Day' one bit - Macca at his flimsiest. I'd take at least half a dozen off that debut in preference.

I'm interested in hearing more Ringo from that period - I LOVE 'It Don't Come Easy' but haven't heard anything else by him that's much cop. 'Photograph' doesn't really tickle my balls much.

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Re: Post Beatles Beatles relationships
« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2018, 08:17:11 AM »
 6 o'clock is Ringo's best 'written by another Beatle' song for me. Never liked Photograph or I'm the Greatest. Has a great sing along ending in the extended version.

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« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2018, 01:49:50 PM »
Photograph is one of the best solo Beatle singles, it's beautiful.

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« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2018, 01:51:26 PM »
Photograph is one of the best solo Beatle singles, it's beautiful.

I concur. Tremendous song.

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« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2018, 03:03:44 PM »
I've never liked it, feels like a nothing song to me, no memorable hook or melody to it. I'm not exactly a fan of Ringo's solo stuff though, either.

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« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2018, 03:14:12 PM »
it has a terrific melody!

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« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2018, 03:32:04 PM »
It's kind of slow, country-ish. Production the size of Texas.

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« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2018, 04:34:34 PM »
it has a terrific melody!

It sure does. I love the way it repeats and builds, I find it very moving. A great song beautifully arranged and produced.

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Re: Post Beatles Beatles relationships
« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2018, 04:36:12 PM »
I've made a shit ton of 'what if' Beatles albums, most of them are double albums (very realistic, I know)
So here's Nowhere Man's Alternative Beatles Discography (1970-1998)

Sterling work, NW! I look forward to compiling and listening to that lot later.

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« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2018, 04:49:00 PM »
Anyone fancy making some Spotify playlists for Nowhere Man's fantasy albums? I'd like to but simply cannot be arsed to do anything ever


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Re: Post Beatles Beatles relationships
« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2018, 06:17:26 PM »
Come on Nowhere Man you need to share the crossfaded live album and things.

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« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2018, 06:25:08 PM »
I'm quite fond of this, & often wonder if any of the fabs heard it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_smoNNCFbY

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« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2018, 06:55:05 PM »
Here's my 1974 album - "Goodnight Vienna"

side 1
Goodnight Vienna
Junior's Farm
Whatever Get's You Thru the Night
What You Got
Dark Horse
Nobody Loves You When You're Down and Out

Side 2
Helen Wheels
Sweet Bird of Paradox
Snookeroo
Country Dreamer
#9 Dream
Ding Dong Ding Dong
Goodnight Vienna (reprise)

- - - - - - -

I was particularly pleased with my discovery that Country Dreamer ends on the same note that begins #9 Dream - so a Beatley segue was possible!
link to my version : #9 Country Dream




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« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2018, 07:34:25 PM »
Who would've produced these fantasy albums? Phil Spector? I can't see Paul going for that. I really like Spector's work on those solo John and George albums, but there's no way Paul would let him get his hands on, say, The Back Seat of My Car. He'd want George Martin at the controls.

Martin wouldn't want to co-produce with Spector, and vice versa, so maybe they'd end up producing themselves? That would've led to more arguments and schism, I'd imagine.

Solution? Get Jeff Lynne in.