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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2018, 03:27:05 PM »
It's all been handled so badly. Obviously it'd take a 60/40 majority or thereabouts to indicate a real mandate to remain. A marginal majority doesn't help anything, it just shows that there's enough ambiguity that small changes in demographic, turnout or opinion can change the result (which of course is why a supermajority should've been required in the first place).

If a new vote were to return a 52/48 result in the other direction, a 'best of three' take would be the best way to show a continuing tend towards Remain (or not), but that's just getting daft.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2018, 03:28:55 PM »
Expect these kind of posters to start showing up in your neighbourhood



Fucking state of that!

Where is the question mark?

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2018, 03:35:14 PM »
This second referendum/"Peoples Vote" that keeps getting mentioned - apologies, I've not really been following it all too closely of late - should it come to pass and happen, will it actually reverse/cancel Brexit if the majority now voted to remain (which I think they would - out of everyone I know who voted leave, only one of them would vote the same way), or is it just an empty current opinion poll that will have no bearing on anything other than filling slow news days?

We've effectively cunted off and embarrassed ourselves as far as the rest of Europe are concerned anyway, I know.

If a second referendum resulted in REMAIN, ACTUALLY, would the UK retain any clout as far as 'remaining and reforming' is concerned? Or, as SGN suggests, would there bit a small bit of embarrassment for a decade or two?

I haven't come to support the idea of a second referendum. I think it would undermine all the disenfranchisement that led to the leave vote, and might result in even deeper resentment (and that way lies right-wing fringe extremism). The people who feel left-behind will feel even more betrayed. People, millions of them struggling, were (disingenuously) asked if they wanted CHANGE, they said yes, and two years on that vague spectre of change is revoked and the status quo is resumed? Dunno. Reckon it could get nasty.

That said, I do think the 2016 referendum was a disingenuous act of political cowardice, followed by a campaign of dishonesty disguising internal Tory power-play, and that the outcome was largely the result of right-wing media propaganda and scapegoatery stretching back years. Even if there are valid, socialist reasons to leave the EU, I don't think they are at the forefront of any Tory's mind - and they are the ones in power, let's remember, with most of the media on their side. I myself voted remain. But we've had it now. Give it to Labour and see if they can fashion something fair out of it. Fuck it. Let's ramp up zoological research and see if we can trade with bonobos and chimps.

Uh oh. Just realised this is the May thread, and I'm on the derailed side of the tracks. So, Theresa May. Was funny when she did a dance

Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2018, 03:36:35 PM »
It's all been handled so badly. Obviously it'd take a 60/40 majority or thereabouts to indicate a real mandate to remain. A marginal majority doesn't help anything, it just shows that there's enough ambiguity that small changes in demographic, turnout or opinion can change the result (which of course is why a supermajority should've been required in the first place).

If a new vote were to return a 52/48 result in the other direction, a 'best of three' take would be the best way to show a continuing tend towards Remain (or not), but that's just getting daft.

I don't think the 2016 referendum result was that much of a problem. Anyone with a sliver of pragmatism about them would see a 52/48 result and think "That's right down the middle. We need a soft, EEA Brexit so that we leave as per the instruction of the 52% but remain as close as we can as per the 48%."

Problem is, May saw that result and somehow misinterpreted it as 100/0, saw the polls against Labour and UKIP and got really fucking greedy. At no point during this process has she been honest and she's paying for it now. We're all paying for it now.

Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2018, 03:41:51 PM »
Forget it, wrong thread. Sorry. Brexit thread!

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2018, 03:47:04 PM »
Does anyone think there wouldn't be a huge right-wing backlash in this country if there was a second referendum and there was a narrow vote to remain?

Firstly, fuck em. I’d rather deal with them than brexit.

Secondly, maybe there wouldn’t be. A lot of the general public are bored of Brexit. They just want it over, and probably either way will do.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2018, 03:48:53 PM »
Cable has tweeted that he wants to debate May and Corbyn.

If Cable gets to debate so should the SNP, PC and DUP.

Should be interesting.

May is speaking to the House of Commons on her Brexit deal.

Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2018, 03:56:53 PM »
Firstly, fuck em. I’d rather deal with them than brexit.

Secondly, maybe there wouldn’t be. A lot of the general public are bored of Brexit. They just want it over, and probably either way will do.

Yeah, genuinely fuck them. Labour and the Tories giving UKIP legitimacy by treating them and their policies with kid gloves is what got us into this mess in the first place. UKIP never won a seat at a general election, never entered a coalition or supply and confidence deal yet their 2010 manifesto is being implemented by the Conservatives without a second's thought.

Every time you concede something to the right, they just move the conversation somewhere even more uncomfortable. The next step is for Tommy Robinson's "legitimate concerns" about Muslims to go mainstream. Boris Johnson has already tested the water for this one.

Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2018, 04:00:03 PM »
Jeremy Corbyn sounding more statesmanlike than I've ever seen before. It could be that May becomes ever more inept he appears better but I dunno.

And her letter to the MPs seems to be threatening a second referendum might happen if they don't vote for her dog turd sandwich

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2018, 04:10:56 PM »
Cable has tweeted that he wants to debate May and Corbyn.


That's a bit like some bloke in the audience demanding he gets to play Jimmy White in the world snooker final.

Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2018, 04:14:14 PM »
Ah yes because when a Unionist MP refers to 'the Union' he would obviously be referring to the EU. Nigel Dodds not finding that funny at all.

This is good viewing though, everyone trying hard not to say 'oh for fucks safe stop lying' out loud.

Christ even Yvette Cooper is sounding well fucked off.

And Paul Weller seems to have lent Mrs. May one of his striped mod jackets.

Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2018, 04:32:23 PM »
This is compulsive viewing -i've wasted an hour watching this, MP after MP just basically putting the boot in.

She can't carry on like this.

Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2018, 04:35:55 PM »
Yeah it's a delicious bit of schadenfreude isn't it, even if all her backbenchers are, for the most part, an odious bunch.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2018, 04:36:10 PM »
The question is, how many of them will end up supporting it as the 'least worst option'? Especially after a sort of mini election period where it will be drummed into them endlessly that the alternative is a disaster for the Tory party?

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2018, 04:37:07 PM »
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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2018, 04:37:44 PM »
Finally we got someone who openly supports Mrs. May's deal - well done Nicky Morgan!

edit and that's two - well done Caroline Spelman

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2018, 04:54:10 PM »
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BBC reporting that May is banking on people being so bored with Brexit that they will support her deal so they don't have to hear about it again.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1067052087350046722?s=19

It's MPs voting though, arent they paid to pay attention?

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2018, 04:55:42 PM »
Fucking state of that!

Where is the question mark?


Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2018, 05:03:44 PM »
"The backstop has to be a trap!"

Yes, it's a trap for Westminster liars and spivs. If you have an alternative, bring it forward and the backstop goes away.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2018, 05:52:56 PM »
The idea of people being "bored" of Brexit - one of the major political events - is a concern. Of course, parts (if not most) of the media are happy for people to be bored.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2018, 06:08:33 PM »
Of course, parts (if not most) of the media are happy to tell people to be bored.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2018, 06:10:54 PM »
Very true, BlodwynPig, very true.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2018, 06:21:04 PM »
I enjoyed the bit where Mrs May claimed she has been knocking on doors recently, chatting to the folksy people of Britain about Brexit. Just rewatching this after work, about half an hour in and Mrs May seems extremely chipper. Edit: Mark Francois mentioning surrender was amazing.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2018, 06:34:34 PM »
May must be a masochist. This is the third time in the last couple of weeks she’s been battered over this in the commons.

Actually if she really gets off on being humiliated it does explain the last two years disturbingly well.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #54 on: November 26, 2018, 06:41:06 PM »
I don't wish to be crude about it but I think we should allow the appropriate body to inspect Theresa May's gusset for evidence that she finds having her brexit plans thoroughly lambasted by all parts of the house sexually arousing. She does get amazingly more cheerful as she goes along, so I fear there may be something in it.



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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2018, 06:47:00 PM »
I'm convinced she sees herself in quasi-religious, marytological terms, a St Teresa of brexit, whose destiny is to lead the country in a difficult times when "hard choices have to be made" cf Thatcher with the destruction of the state, Blair with the destruction of Iraq and international law. May is very happy to be a scapegoat, a Guy for all this shit, she believes she will be remembered as a Great Figure, who gave a personal sacrifice. Once again the pathological tendencies of a prime minister are what shape our present and future, in place of considered policy and thought about national interest. What is so funny is that she tried the gambit of "trust me, I alone have the vision and courage to govern amidst chaos" many times, and was rejected by the electorate, commons mps, the lords, the law courts, the committees, who all said, no, fuck no we don't trust you, we want a vote, we want to be involved, we will constrain you. So all she's got left is her private belief in herself, she hasn't been able to get anyone to agree with her. I bet she spent much of her childhood reading the lives of saints.

Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2018, 10:19:44 PM »
Brexit: Trump hints May's Brexit could bar UK-US trade deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46352463

This is what we need. The US dictating our foreign policy to feather their own nest. What a fucking future.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2018, 10:36:28 PM »
She should have held his other apendage when she had the chance.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2018, 10:39:34 PM »
From the guardian -

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However, Downing Street’s desire for a peak slot may come against the brutal reality of TV schedules. The prime minister’s team want the largest possible audience for such a debate, but the only logistically possible Sunday night that could work is 9 December, which could bring its own problems if they wish to appear on one of the biggest terrestrial channels.

That evening, BBC One is set to show Countryfile, the season finales of Doctor Who and David Attenborough’s Dynasties, plus Strictly Come Dancing and a new drama by Jimmy McGovern. Meanwhile, ITV will be showing the final of I’m a Celebrity … Get Me Out of Here.

It is unlikely that a sceptical audience settling down for Sunday night viewing would welcome any of the shows being interrupted or delayed, even for a political debate that could shape the future of Britain.

Fucking hell.

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Re: Countdown to AreMaygeddon (the s.t.b. ex-PM thread)
« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2018, 10:41:25 PM »
I know! What are they on? This series of Doctor Who has been so weak no one would complain if it got moved for a debate.