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The integrity initiative

Started by biggytitbo, December 04, 2018, 02:23:34 PM

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Twed

I don't know where else to put this: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1090954278229995520

"It's cold... can you imagine if Russia chose today to remote hack all the powerlines so you couldn't turn the heat on?"

This is Maddow, pretty baseline as far as goldfish-brained average liberal news sources. These are dark times.

biggytitbo

Rachel Maddow is just as wacky as Alex Jones but is lauded and rewarded and treated seriously.


BlodwynPig

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 07, 2019, 05:20:29 PM
Fucking wow https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/580471/

HA HA HA HA FUCKING liberal democratic capitalist CHUMPS!!! I FEEL LIKE FLYING TO THEIR HOMESTEADS TO BRAY IN THEIR FACES. C H U M P S


biggytitbo

Are they having much luck getting you banned from anything yet Pep?

With the year anniversary of Skripal in a few weeks I just know they have a new propaganda blitz lined up for us. Maybe even wheel out old Sergei himself?

Pepotamo1985

Yes, telling they 'revealed' today there was actually a third FSB operative involved, who's still on the run in Britain. Fuck me.


pcsjwgm

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 07, 2019, 05:20:29 PM
Fucking wow https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/580471/

Quotethings Russia "exported" to the US the US previously had no experience with

✅Corruption (d/b/a "kleptocracy")
✅ Blackmail (d/b/a "kompromat")
✅ Lying (d/b/a "firehose of falsehoods")
✅ Pointing out hypocrisy (d/b/a "whataboutism")
https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1093546157148721154

greenman

Quote from: Hank Venture on February 07, 2019, 10:14:34 PM
Congrats on finding the worst article ever written.

I wonder whether this narrative might be picked up on though? the idea that the reason the western dream of the 90's where spreading neoliberialism would automatically lead to liberal democracy didn't come to pass, it was all due to Russia sneekly poisoning the well/stabbing the back.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Pepotamo1985 on February 07, 2019, 08:21:54 PM
Yes, telling they 'revealed' today there was actually a third FSB operative involved, who's still on the run in Britain. Fuck me.


Deborah Haynes quoting bellingcat here, keeping the story entirely 'in-house' - https://news.sky.com/story/possible-third-salisbury-suspect-flew-back-to-russia-days-after-poisoning-11631036

Paul Calf

Quote from: greenman on February 08, 2019, 04:26:10 AM
I wonder whether this narrative might be picked up on though? the idea that the reason the western dream of the 90's where spreading neoliberialism would automatically lead to liberal democracy didn't come to pass, it was all due to Russia sneekly poisoning the well/stabbing the back.

The Domino Theory's magnificent comeback. Obviously - like its previous incarnation - it was just a way to profit from arson and murder, but it kept people quiet and voting.

Pdine

Quote from: Twed on January 31, 2019, 01:14:07 PM
I don't know where else to put this: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1090954278229995520

"It's cold... can you imagine if Russia chose today to remote hack all the powerlines so you couldn't turn the heat on?"

This is Maddow, pretty baseline as far as goldfish-brained average liberal news sources. These are dark times.

That clip is in the context of discussing this NYT story:

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/technology/chinas-army-is-seen-as-tied-to-hacking-against-us.html

which in turn references a report by a large cybersecurity firm into their multiyear investigation into a hacking group they link to the Chinese government and which, they argue, has over the years changed tack from industrial espionage to compromising computer systems attached to infrastructure like power and telecoms grids:

https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/services/pdfs/mandiant-apt1-report.pdf

More recently the WSJ has reported on the Dept of Homeland Security's concerns about similar hacking from Russia:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-hackers-reach-u-s-utility-control-rooms-homeland-security-officials-say-1532388110

I don't maintain that the NYT or WSJ or Mandiant/FireEye reporting is accurate, but that Maddow clip has been deliberately shorn of this context in order to make it seem unevidenced and make people who can't be bothered doing any research say things like:

Quote from: biggytitbo on January 31, 2019, 01:28:56 PM
Rachel Maddow is just as wacky as Alex Jones but is lauded and rewarded and treated seriously.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Pdine on February 08, 2019, 08:32:47 AM
I don't maintain that the NYT or WSJ or Mandiant/FireEye reporting is accurate, but that Alex Jones clip has been deliberately shorn of this context in order to make it seem unevidenced and make people who can't be bothered doing any research say things like:


Blumf

Nowt new under the sun...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47571253
QuoteBritish government officials forged documents to produce "fake news stories" during the Cold War, newly released files show.

The Information Research Department (IRD) was the Foreign Office's secret propaganda unit.

For 30 years it fed information to journalists and had its own news agencies too.

biggytitbo

Handy to portray it as if it was some almost quaint bygone historical novelty

BlodwynPig

It's the BBC being used to normalise this sort of behaviour.