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Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« on: December 04, 2018, 03:33:25 PM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-tommy-robinson-suzanne-evans-resignation-edl-islamophobia-muslims-party-leader-a8665401.html

Looks like Tommy Robinson has been promised something by UKIP as he is now lobbying his dimwit followers to join the party. UKIP are a complete mess at the moment, bankrupt and riven with competing self-interest but it seems as though he may wish to tout himself as a replacement.

In the short term this should hurt UKIP who are relying on "I'm not racist, but" types who think actual knuckledraggers are a bit much (but do want the 1950s again) however long term this worries me a lot.

Reason being, the more the main parties and parliament fail to produce a majority for any sort of agenda, the more people will search for solutions from the fringes. Likewise a Robinson-led party would hurt Labour in old Labour areas many of whose apolitical but nevertheless shat-on residents seek close-to-hand scapegoats. Also, the political weather most places seems to be "more fascism please".



Alberon

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 03:50:48 PM »
It says something that I wish Farage would step back in and take control of the party. At least he keeps most of his dog whistling beyond the range of human hearing.

gilbertharding

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2018, 03:54:44 PM »
Except that Nigel Farage is - according to foreigners, who have never been exposed to his 'hail-fellow-well-met' shtick, and so only know him as Steve Bannon's British Chum - just as bad if not worse.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2018, 03:57:01 PM »
I think it'd be better to call him by his real name.

It's hard to see how the current rabble led by football hooligan Yaxley Lennon is going to make big inroads, but clearly some organised political force is going to emerge from the seething sense of betrayal and abandonment half the country are going to feel when brexit is thwarted.

The reaction of the main parties is crucial, in terms of how ugly the backlash gets, but unfortunately both have them will have burnt through a whole lot of trust and political capital once this is all over, perhaps fatally so. Whatever happens, the trajectory is pretty bleak unless we have some major, very radical changes - not tinkering around the edges, or papering over the cracks. A whole class of elites in this country need to acknowledge that the political and economic settlement that has served them so handsomely is over, and the gross and growing inequality in the country needs to be addressed head on, even if its at their expense.

gilbertharding

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2018, 04:05:36 PM »
Bloody hell. I think you might be on to something.

Alberon

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2018, 04:09:33 PM »
There’s been a bit of snobbery about the rise of the far right in Europe and the fact that it isn’t happening here.

But it could so easily do. Whatever way the Brexit shitstorm goes. The last few years have been bad, but we’ve not touched bottom yet.

Funcrusher

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2018, 04:30:13 PM »
Tommy Robinson using a pen as a vehicle for writing things.

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2018, 05:11:46 PM »
Bear using woods as vehicle for shitting.

Cuellar

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2018, 05:13:52 PM »
Pope using Catholicism as vehicle for....being

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2018, 05:54:46 PM »
There's a strange magnetism to the simple and the blunt message. It's my theory for why Legend Gary is much beloved on here. It's why Trump's sound bites stick.

It's why Tommy Robinson's message is getting through. He seems to me to be a lucky sort also, which carries him far. Dodging legal bullets, not getting buggered or shanked in prison, coinciding his rise to prominence after Lee Rigby died, and now rising with this national fear of the other that exists after the BREXIT vote.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2018, 06:09:27 PM »
It's why Tommy Robinson's message is getting through.
I think this is largely explained by two things:

1) A lot of people are pissed off because they're seeing their living standards decline so there's public appetite for radical change.

and

2) The liberal media would rather mainstream fascists than left wingers.

Bonus round: 3) The version of (what is referred to as) left wing politics that people are most commonly served up is annoying preachy race/gender-clickbaiting, or shit like adverts by Lloyds Bank about how 'it's okay to talk about mental illness' or whatever the fuck. People smell the bullshit, but often the only people they hear saying it's bullshit are the far right.

Alberon

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2018, 06:16:21 PM »
Farage has quit UKIP.

Cuellar

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2018, 06:17:35 PM »
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Buelligan

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2018, 07:00:56 PM »
He's a massive flouncer though, isn't he?  Doesn't mean anything other than look at meeee, not at Tommy.  They're both like that.  Two unattractive dull average men desperate to be someone's hero.  I think Hitler was probably like that when he started, so you can't feel too sorry for them. 

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2018, 07:02:10 PM »
You look at his rippling musculature and bum and his full suckable lips and you realise he's a superhero, an actual physical superhero. *WANK*, he goes as he punches a villain, *SOCK*, and he has a tragic backstory too. Remember how the labour party said there weren't any superheroes or any brave men, we were all to be grey and eat lentils and bow to the will of transgenderism, but they were lying, so we wouldn't look at his gorgeous cum-flecked abs and gooch. He is fighting for justice the only way he knows how, with his fists, anything to keep his daughters safe, and it'll work too, now with us on the UKIP facebook page. Like and subscribe to official UKIP facebook page, with Tommy pictures. Tommy! advent calender, a series of saucy seasonal mishaps, stockings and sticks of rock galore. Tommy! curves poured into demure camo cami for when are brave boys get home. Tommy! countryside alliance crossover, hunting focks with his baps out.

Love to see Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson team up. Nigel can do the talking and Tommy(!) can do the hitting, both of them covered in bits of punched muslim.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2018, 07:57:16 PM »
Stewart Lee using Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle as a vehicle for comedy.

Buelligan

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2018, 08:15:03 PM »
I'd like to blow the bloody doors off and drive it over a cliff.  A big white one.

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2018, 08:23:20 PM »

2) The liberal media would rather mainstream fascists than left wingers.

Bonus round: 3) The version of (what is referred to as) left wing politics that people are most commonly served up is annoying preachy race/gender-clickbaiting, or shit like adverts by Lloyds Bank about how 'it's okay to talk about mental illness' or whatever the fuck. People smell the bullshit, but often the only people they hear saying it's bullshit are the far right.

This exactly. Extremists only prevail when when the mainstream becomes so complacent in their civility that they start to pick it apart out of boredom.

Oliver Mardy

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2018, 08:24:41 PM »
He's a massive flouncer though, isn't he?  Doesn't mean anything other than look at meeee, not at Tommy.  They're both like that.  Two unattractive dull average men desperate to be someone's hero.  I think Hitler was probably like that when he started, so you can't feel too sorry for them.

Godwin.

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Well done.

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2018, 08:43:48 PM »
oh great a godwins law pedant

pigamus

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2018, 08:55:07 PM »
Farage has quit UKIP.

He was schmoozing with Boris, wasn't he? He's joining the Tories because he thinks he can save them. Betcha a tenner.

Oliver Mardy

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2018, 09:12:30 PM »
oh great a godwins law pedant

Not really, I just thought it was silly to try attributing the various well-known character faults of Adolf Hitler to disappointment with his looks and personality. That, and comparing him with Yaxley-Lennon.

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2018, 09:42:05 PM »
There's a strange magnetism to the simple and the blunt message. It's my theory for why Legend Gary is much beloved on here. It's why Trump's sound bites stick.

fucking lol

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2018, 09:56:09 PM »
Quote from: biggy bollocks
unfortunately both have them will have burnt through a whole lot of trust and political capital once this is all over

However as I keep pointing out, unlike you personally, Europe is not #1 on people's list of priorities.

The 2017 demonstrated that despite Brexit being an issue, there were a host of other issues such as a desire for austerity to end, a fairer society via tax/public sector reform, and countering corporate greed and cronyism. Yes there are issues at play such as immigration and the EU provide an anti-politics bogeyman as well, represented by the Tories picking up 14 million votes.

However if you study the vote in 2017, people are more engaged with the two main parties than they have since 1992, so while backsliding on Brexit will undoubtedly piss some people off, it isn't the be all and end all of people's lives, so the backlash you predict won't be quite as dramatic as you're making out.

Also, it only matters in an electoral sense if there is a third party ready to pick up the pieces.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2018, 10:02:26 PM »
I think this is largely explained by two things:

1) A lot of people are pissed off because they're seeing their living standards decline so there's public appetite for radical change.

and

2) The liberal media would rather mainstream fascists than left wingers.

Bonus round: 3) The version of (what is referred to as) left wing politics that people are most commonly served up is annoying preachy race/gender-clickbaiting, or shit like adverts by Lloyds Bank about how 'it's okay to talk about mental illness' or whatever the fuck. People smell the bullshit, but often the only people they hear saying it's bullshit are the far right.

Excellent post, particularly 2, as we see in Brazil at the moment.

The establishment want corporate certainty that the economy is stable and that money will keep rising to the top - fascism delivers that, socialism doesn't.

Bhazor

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2018, 10:03:11 PM »
Fascism and Ultra nationalism, together?



A party based entirely on right wing shit stirring and xenophobic lies not actually a great bunch of lads?



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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2018, 10:07:06 PM »
Sorry - did any of the opening post lead you to think this was a topic to shock-doctrine CaB how terrible the rise of the far-right would be? If so, I assure you it really wasn't.

Bhazor

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2018, 10:08:56 PM »
It's hard to see how the current rabble led by football hooligan Yaxley Lennon is going to make big inroads, but clearly some organised political force is going to emerge from the seething sense of betrayal and abandonment half the country are going to feel when brexit is thwarted.

A rabble of football hooligans who this time last year elected a leader to give a speech to 15 thousand brexit marchers. But we don't want to talk about any of that do we. Nothing dodgy. Will of the people. Very much extremely liberal.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/football-lads-alliance-inside-far-right-march-london-edl-london-a7988451.html

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2018, 10:20:29 PM »
My stomach used to turn at the mention of this fearful oik, but recently I kept hearing so much virulent criticism about his beliefs without ever hearing any direct quotes or evidence of what he was saying. So in the spirit of know your enemy, I went looking through his interviews and writings for specific instances of fascism and racism. Has anyone else done this? What have you come up with?

Likewise, Farage criticised the 'freeze peach!!' rally as knuckle-dragging thugs and Nazis - which is how it was covered in every media outlet - but after further investigation it seemed to be mostly peaceful ordinary people, with a few pissed-up skinheads throwing bottles at coppers towards the end. I'm amazed there aren't more far-right types at these events really, as that's how they're spun in the media, but the real far-right seem to think Tommy is a "Zionist shill".

More than anything, what provoked me to investigate further - on the day he was arrested, charged and imprisoned within five hours for contempt of court (later admitted by a Court of Appeal to have been "fundamentally flawed") - was the topsy-turvy irony of seeing a Facebook 'anarchist' group coming out as big supporters of the Home Office, and a far-leftie friend tweeting in support of our poor brave "underpaid police force", who were having bottles thrown at them by rowdy hooligans.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2018, 10:33:04 PM »
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