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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2018, 10:38:15 PM »
Sorry - did any of the opening post lead you to think this was a topic to shock-doctrine CaB how terrible the rise of the far-right would be? If so, I assure you it really wasn't.

I was only funning, honest.

Godwin.

Less than a page.

Well done.

I don't think you can cite Godwin's Law if it can be shown that the subject in question actually is a Nazi.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2018, 10:39:51 PM »
oh great a godwins law pedant

And that's not all, take a look through the posting history and ask yourself if there's something familiar.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2018, 10:53:14 PM »
Come on everyone, Parliament who we want to be given control over everything as an expression of purest British democracy are doing a taking control! Isn't it great?

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2018, 11:04:02 PM »

Reason being, the more the main parties and parliament fail to produce a majority for any sort of agenda, the more people will search for solutions from the fringes. Likewise a Robinson-led party would hurt Labour in old Labour areas many of whose apolitical but nevertheless shat-on residents seek close-to-hand scapegoats. Also, the political weather most places seems to be "more fascism please".

To be more serious, I'm afraid I can totally see Yaxley-Himmler in politics in some capacity, unless he does the usual UKIP/BNP thing and kills someone while drink driving or suchlike. Better alternatives to vote for needed.

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2018, 11:09:41 PM »
Not really, I just thought...

who cares

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2018, 12:15:35 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j7IX_5a_9M&feature=youtu.be

This is the only one ever trotted out, and it was a badly-worded heat-of-the-moment rant seven years ago that he's since expressed regret for, hashtag not all Muslims etc.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/22/former-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-arrives-scene-london-terror/

I shouldn't imagine it's fascistic or racialistic to notice that radical Islam regards itself as 'at war' with the west, that's the people he was talking about.

I don't know, there are just so many holes in the attacks. He's regularly accused of having a record for domestic violence, but what he did was hit a policeman who intervened during an argument with his wife. Which isn't very nice, but it isn't wife beating. One of his convictions is for nutting someone on an EDL march, but it was a neo-Nazi who was attracted to the event because the media gave him cause to believe the EDL were neo-Nazis. So it was pro-active anti-fascist action of a sort that the left would usually approve of.

All I ever see him doing is criticising radical Islam, drawing attention to some troublesome aspects of the Koran that provide an ideological basis for people killing and raping children in Britain today. I've not heard him say anything about race, not even a kiss-and-tell "He laughed at Curry & Chips" scandal.

I do apologise for this most non-on-message message, I'm thinking aloud really, I daren't even try attempting to address this subject in the 'throw away the key, hope they sodomise his teeth out' threads created by my lefty friends on my social medium, I'd never work again.

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2018, 12:58:20 AM »
hows this: Robert Tommyson

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2018, 12:59:47 AM »
doesnt quite work

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2018, 01:10:03 AM »
And that's not all, take a look through the posting history and ask yourself if there's something familiar.


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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2018, 01:10:47 AM »
who cares

Devastating comeback. Consider me devastated.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2018, 01:11:37 AM »
This is the only one ever trotted out, and it was a badly-worded heat-of-the-moment rant seven years ago that he's since expressed regret for, hashtag not all Muslims etc.

I shouldn't imagine it's fascistic or racialistic to notice that radical Islam regards itself as 'at war' with the west, that's the people he was talking about.

I don't know, there are just so many holes in the attacks. He's regularly accused of having a record for domestic violence, but what he did was hit a policeman who intervened during an argument with his wife. Which isn't very nice, but it isn't wife beating. One of his convictions is for nutting someone on an EDL march, but it was a neo-Nazi who was attracted to the event because the media gave him cause to believe the EDL were neo-Nazis. So it was pro-active anti-fascist action of a sort that the left would usually approve of.

All I ever see him doing is criticising radical Islam, drawing attention to some troublesome aspects of the Koran that provide an ideological basis for people killing and raping children in Britain today. I've not heard him say anything about race, not even a kiss-and-tell "He laughed at Curry & Chips" scandal.

I do apologise for this most non-on-message message, I'm thinking aloud really, I daren't even try attempting to address this subject in the 'throw away the key, hope they sodomise his teeth out' threads created by my lefty friends on my social medium, I'd never work again.

Yeah, mate. He knowingly tips the wink to his neo-Nazi followers (and if you want to attempt to deny that the EDL and Robinson’s support is riddled with NSDAP enthusiasts, please go ahead. I think we could all do with a laugh) and does nothing to discourage or disown them, tossing them regular raw meat scraps to keep them salivating. But he wasn’t born in Austria and never tried to get into art school so obviously his motives are perfectly pure and he only cares about the brightest and best jihadists staying at home in jihadland etc...

Do you think we fell off the fucking Christmas tree?

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2018, 01:13:35 AM »

I don't think you can cite Godwin's Law if it can be shown that the subject in question actually is a Nazi.

So can it be shown that Yaxley-Lennon is a Nazi? Or just a tiny, angry hooligan?

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2018, 01:14:52 AM »
I think he needs to speak up about radicalisation in his community.

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2018, 01:16:32 AM »
Devastating comeback. Consider me devastated.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2018, 01:25:10 AM »
still snoozing over here

Oliver Mardy

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2018, 01:28:02 AM »
still snoozing over here

Obviously; every doctor knows that typing is a good clinical indicator of a somnolent patient.

Shall we continue this public hatefucking all night, or take our hilarious back and forth to PMs?

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2018, 01:32:19 AM »
no

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2018, 01:37:11 AM »
No what?

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2018, 01:38:42 AM »
So can it be shown that Yaxley-Lennon is a Nazi?

Someone who said:

every single Muslim watching this... on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens... you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end... and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.

The reality is this is a war. These people are waging war on us. This has gone on for 1,400 years. This is nothing new. And the whole time while this goes on, the police leaders or political leaders want to invite more! They want to invite more!


I think you can make a case that he is a Nazi.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2018, 01:41:59 AM »
Yeah, I reckon you're right. He is definitely, as Elton John sadly did not sing, a Tiny Nazi.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2018, 01:42:13 AM »
Yeah, mate. He knowingly tips the wink to his neo-Nazi followers (and if you want to attempt to deny that the EDL and Robinson’s support is riddled with NSDAP enthusiasts, please go ahead. I think we could all do with a laugh)

I won't deny it, because I don't know, and I suspect you don't either, but we don't see many of them on his marches. His support for Israel seems to keep actual neo-Nazis at bay, but if you can prove any meaningful links, please do.

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and does nothing to discourage or disown them, tossing them regular raw meat scraps to keep them salivating.


We all need people to hate, eh.

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But he wasn’t born in Austria and never tried to get into art school so obviously his motives are perfectly pure and he only cares about the brightest and best jihadists staying at home in jihadland etc...

I don't know how pure or impure his motives are, and if you do, by all means provide some sort of link or quote that accounts for these convictions. Obviously I haven't read or heard everything he's ever said, nor do I know anyone who calls themselves a supporter of his, except for one woman that I used to go to school with, and she's not a Nazi.

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Do you think we fell off the fucking Christmas tree?

For requiring more than just 'come off it of course he's a Nazi, stands to reason'?

Someone who said:

every single Muslim watching this... on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens... you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end... and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.

The reality is this is a war. These people are waging war on us. This has gone on for 1,400 years. This is nothing new. And the whole time while this goes on, the police leaders or political leaders want to invite more! They want to invite more!


I think you can make a case that he is a Nazi.

Go on then!

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2018, 01:54:30 AM »
His support for Israel seems to keep actual neo-Nazis at bay

Many neo-Nazis, including Richard Spencer, are very supportive of Israel because they see Israel as proof that an ethnostate is practical

Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2018, 02:36:26 AM »
I shouldn't imagine it's fascistic or racialistic to notice that radical Islam regards itself as 'at war' with the west, that's the people he was talking about.

From that article:

Yaxley-Lennon:
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He said: "This is the reality. The reality is these people are waging war on us.

"This has been going on for 1,400 years and while it's going on the police leaders and the political leaders want to invite more."

Everybody knows there hasn't been a war waged on 'us' by 'radical islam' or islam in general for 1,400 years. Yaxley is trying to stir up images of an eternal conflict between Us and Them, Good and Evil for people looking for an object of hatred.

Here he is saying it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9re8N39jUNA

If anyone doesn't think this little chat about the Grenfell Tower fire is a plain obscene piece of exploitation using classic racist and fascist rhetorical devices then they're being wilfully stupid. The techniques used are transparent and nobody would be fooled by them who didn't want to be fooled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ufuYR8nXM

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2018, 03:21:13 AM »
From that article:

Yaxley-Lennon:
Everybody knows there hasn't been a war waged on 'us' by 'radical islam' or islam in general for 1,400 years. Yaxley is trying to stir up images of an eternal conflict between Us and Them, Good and Evil for people looking for an object of hatred.

Here he is saying it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9re8N39jUNA

If anyone doesn't think this little chat about the Grenfell Tower fire is a plain obscene piece of exploitation using classic racist and fascist rhetorical devices then they're being wilfully stupid. The techniques used are transparent and nobody would be fooled by them who didn't want to be fooled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ufuYR8nXM

Is biggy Tommy?

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2018, 03:39:54 AM »
Many neo-Nazis, including Richard Spencer, are very supportive of Israel because they see Israel as proof that an ethnostate is practical

Surely if a neo-Nazi is pro-Israel then he's either not a real neo-Nazi or he's not really pro-Israel? I dunno, it's a funny old world. Either way, Robinson isn't advocating for an ethnostate, and the Daily Stormer routinely call him a "Zionist shill", which he might well be for all I know, I'm not wholly sure what that involves.

Fair enough the Grenfell Tower video was distasteful and exploitative, although so was the round-the-clock coverage of the tragedy and its aftermath, and so was the way the left tried to weaponise it for political gain. Clearly a lot of residents were unaccounted for, and that's not good news for anyone. Does this flag up a problem with 'undocumented migrants' in London? Maybe not, but we won't find out unless we ask those questions, and we won't do so if we're afraid of being called racist. However, if you want Grenfell reactions that betray genuine "classic racist and fascist" devices, try and look at what the Daily Stormer had to say about it. They make Tommy's video look like three minutes of Owen Jones sobbing.

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2018, 06:25:09 AM »
the left tried to weaponise it for political gain.

Ding-ding-ding!

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2018, 06:38:56 AM »
“It’s those other Nazis who are the real Nazis, honest. We just want to secure a future for..”

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Re: Tommy Robinson using UKIP as a vehicle for fascism
« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2018, 07:30:00 AM »
I think this is largely explained by two things:

1) A lot of people are pissed off because they're seeing their living standards decline so there's public appetite for radical change.

and

2) The liberal media would rather mainstream fascists than left wingers.

Bonus round: 3) The version of (what is referred to as) left wing politics that people are most commonly served up is annoying preachy race/gender-clickbaiting, or shit like adverts by Lloyds Bank about how 'it's okay to talk about mental illness' or whatever the fuck. People smell the bullshit, but often the only people they hear saying it's bullshit are the far right.


That is the centrists trick, and I include the EU in that - whilst the fundamentals of what they offer are economic serfdom in a mass survellence debt prison and endless war, the sugarcoat it with a superficial exploitation of socially liberal race and gender issues. It's a trick that's worked a treat for 30 years, greased with vast amounts of debt, but obviously since the financial crisis reallty has caught up with the illusion. Unfortunately, I think the right were the ones who first articulated in a way ordinary people could understand the disparity between the illusion they were sold and the reality they were living, whilst of course coming up with all the wrong answers. We're fortunate enough to have Corbyn who broke through and did the same but with the correct  answers, but it looks like a lot of countries just aren't there yet. Meanwhile the vast majority of the political estanlishment and the media continue to sell the illusion because they never experience the reality themselves, and the EU are as worse offenders as any. A vast corpratist edifice built around the tenants of market fundamentalism that forces poor people to compete in a race to the bottom for cheap jobs is part of the problem not the answer. Hence why the far right is on the rise in multiple European countries.