Genesis P Orridge Article

[fatguyranting]

Long piece in the Guardian today which deals with the fall out from Fanni Tutti's recent book. I've always thought he was one of the UK's great thinkers and find it very sad that this close to death his/her legacy is being challenged. Although obviously I have no idea if he was a controlling dick or not.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/dec/10/genesis-p-orridge-throbbing-gristle

[Colin Sanction]

I cannot identify with the music or attitude of, the once, Neil Megson. The associations with fascism, serial killers and pornography don't appeal to me. However, I find Genesis fascinating and I'm glad people like this exist.

[Lisa Jesusandmarychain]

I cannot identify with the music or attitude of, the once, Neil Megson. The associations with fascism, serial killers and pornography don't appeal to me. However, I find Genesis fascinating and I'm glad people like this exist.

Have you read yer woman's book? He comes across as a right dick in that. Never liked him anyway, the music he makes is appalling, apart from anything else.

[fatguyranting]

Even the most dedicated critic of Throbbing Gristle would admit to finding some charm in 'Hot on the Heels of Love' surely?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roe26J56q4M

[Colin Sanction]

Have you read yer woman's book? He comes across as a right dick in that. Never liked him anyway, the music he makes is appalling, apart from anything else.

No, not read the book or plan to ever do so. I have no interest in personally. Some of the interviews I have seen of him, he comes across as very intelligent and articulate.

[Funcrusher]

I always had the sense that the substance of his musical projects came largely from his collaborators, particularly TG, and that he's a bit of a pompous twit. Back in the 90's I remember someone telling me that there were some very dodgy rumours around PTV, but I don't know the details.

[Lisa Jesusandmarychain]

Oh yeah, reading that Guardian article reminded me of the alleged incident in yer woman's book, about the former Neil From Hull allegedly trying to kill her by dropping a big fuck off block of concrete from up above in her general direction, while she was doing a bit of sunbathing , and that. Missed her head by a couple of inches, apparently.

Not on, that, really.

[PaulTMA]

P-Orridge now faces the very real danger of being described as "problematic"

[fatguyranting]

"Back in the 90's I remember someone telling me that there were some very dodgy rumours around PTV, but I don't know the details."

It's probably related to the C4 Dispatches doc shown around that time which used a number of PTV videos along with 'expert' evidence from Christian ritual abuse experts to suggest that the members of the Temple of Psychic Youth were involved in child abuse. Now widely discredited as part of the Satanic Panic of that era the films themselves had previously been shown on the channel as part of a late nights art series and Orridge received a full apology after he was forced to move abroad following police raids on his Brighton home. It's impossible to find online last time I looked.

[Sebastian Cobb]

20 Jazz Funk Greats remains a fantastic piece of applied trolling.

[Funcrusher]

"Back in the 90's I remember someone telling me that there were some very dodgy rumours around PTV, but I don't know the details."

It's probably related to the C4 Dispatches doc shown around that time which used a number of PTV videos along with 'expert' evidence from Christian ritual abuse experts to suggest that the members of the Temple of Psychic Youth were involved in child abuse. Now widely discredited as part of the Satanic Panic of that era the films themselves had previously been shown on the channel as part of a late nights art series and Orridge received a full apology after he was forced to move abroad following police raids on his Brighton home. It's impossible to find online last time I looked.

Thinking about it, I do recall that.

[kngen]

Have to laugh at the Gen/PTV fanboys who intimate that Cosey's book was somehow opportunist or driven by poor intentions. In the late 80s/early 90s, anyone who followed their post-TG careers was always curious/slightly baffled as to why there was such hatred between the camps (well, between Gen and the others) to the point that Coil and Chris and Cosey would refuse to be involved with anything tangentially connected to PTV, even going as far as to make World Serpent issue a card stating that C&C* would not have appeared on a compilation with PTV had they known of its inclusion to be inserted into each copy of the CD. Then Cosey's book came out, and it all became crystal clear.

Gen may have been the master manipulator/conceptual mastermind behind TG, but their output afterwards shows he was by far the least talented - with the exception of Chris and Cosey's dalliance with Eurythmics, none of them sunk as low as some of the utter bilge PTV put out.

To be fair, my view is somewhat coloured by a good friend of mine who was a TOPY member who spent a fair bit of time with Gen back in the day. His take: 'He's an arsehole.'



_{*One day I'll unleash my transgressive nazi house music project - titled C&C Death Factory – on the world. One day ...}

[kngen]

"Back in the 90's I remember someone telling me that there were some very dodgy rumours around PTV, but I don't know the details."

It's probably related to the C4 Dispatches doc shown around that time which used a number of PTV videos along with 'expert' evidence from Christian ritual abuse experts to suggest that the members of the Temple of Psychic Youth were involved in child abuse. Now widely discredited as part of the Satanic Panic of that era the films themselves had previously been shown on the channel as part of a late nights art series and Orridge received a full apology after he was forced to move abroad following police raids on his Brighton home. It's impossible to find online last time I looked.

Gen talks about it here in his introduction to a book about The Process Church of the Final Judgment, if anyone's interested>

[Pauline Walnuts]

I can't believe that the man who sang Slug Bait and Hamburger Lady would be anything other than a perfect gentleman in real life.

[ajsmith2]

Have to laugh at the Gen/PTV fanboys who intimate that Cosey's book was somehow opportunist or driven by poor intentions. In the late 80s/early 90s, anyone who followed their post-TG careers was always curious/slightly baffled as to why there was such hatred between the camps (well, between Gen and the others) to the point that Coil and Chris and Cosey would refuse to be involved with anything tangentially connected to PTV, even going as far as to make World Serpent issue a card stating that C&C* would not have appeared on a compilation with PTV had they known of its inclusion to be inserted into each copy of the CD. Then Cosey's book came out, and it all became crystal clear.

How was the 00s TG reunion managed then?

[Sherman Krank]

It's amazing to think that if his/her life had taken a different path he/she could have been Pope by now.

[Pauline Walnuts]

How was the 00s TG reunion managed then?

Rather badly, a rather reputation destroying nostalgia/pale shadow of their past tour live act:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRcgQ_e3w4g

the Nico Cover album came out as X-TG, and strangely bolted to another TG by numbers album.



Maybe I'll get around to listening to something past the first side.

Well, that's what I think anyway.