Joker (2019 Joker film)

[Kelvin]

Do you have an opinion on Dirty Grandpa?

I haven't seen that, I must admit. He's never been terrible (as opposed to merely adequate) in a dramatic role, though, has he? So bad he could reasonably be described as "unspeakably awful"?

[greenman]

I haven't seen that, I must admit. He's never been terrible (as opposed to merely adequate) in a dramatic role, though, has he? So bad he could reasonably be described as "unspeakably awful"?

I'd argue that's part of why his career has progressed the way it has, he plays the caricature of himself in drama and comedy very well even if the films are often mediocre to terrible.

[SavageHedgehog]

He was good in Last Vegas, even though the film was, well, Last Vegas. I think he really could put in a decent performance in his sleep, the problem is he seems to really like to sleep.

[Phoenix Lazarus]

I'd like to see them try and imbue more gravitas to villains named Penguin, Riddler, or Catwoman.

[Shit Good Nose]

It's won the Golden Lion at Venice.

[PlanktonSideburns]

When's the gritty Mr freeze reboot?

[Kelvin]

When's the gritty Mr freeze reboot?

It cometh.

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

It's won the Golden Lion at Venice.

Is that like the Green Lantern?

[Monsieur Verdoux]

The Golden Lion fucking hell

[Monsieur Verdoux]

not happy about the fact that it might actually be A Good Film but fuck it, i reserve judgement

[Head Gardener]

just saw this relating to the movie



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[Spiteface]

When's the gritty Mr freeze reboot?

It was called "Heart of Ice"

[Famous Mortimer]

There's a news thing about it on the BBC website today, which seems to deliberately ignore stuff for dramatic effect.

* "The Dark Knight Rises" didn't have the Joker in it
* This movie doesn't have Batman in it (probably)
* Batman and Joker have been in movies since 2012 that didn't have mass shootings take place during showings of them

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-49816205

My favourite quote - "We want to be clear that we support your right to free speech and free expression. But"

[Monsieur Verdoux]

The weird thing about all this discourse and moral panic is: almost nobody has actually seen this film yet

[Blumf]

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/joker-and-the-long-history-of-movie-moral-panics

The furor surrounding the new Joker movie started not from a disastrous screening but from an ultra-successful one: it got an eight-minute standing ovation at the Venice Film Festival, and subsequently won the festival's prestigious Golden Lion Award. Just for context, the Golden Lion goes to films like Rashomon, Last Year at Marienbad, Ivan's Childhood, Battle of Algiers, Vagabond, Au revoir les enfants, The Story of Qiu Ju, Vera Drake, Brokeback Mountain, and Roma. Just hoping someone's having a good time somewhere, I like to think the Euro-partiers at the Venice Film Festival that did the voting were just trolling us, anticipating the moral and aesthetic freak-out among the American guardians of culture at the elevation of Joker to significant art film standards. I picture them hooting so hard wine spews out their noses.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

* "The Dark Knight Rises" didn't have the Joker in it
* This movie doesn't have Batman in it (probably)
* Batman and Joker have been in movies since 2012 that didn't have mass shootings take place during them

Also, what's wrong with presenting a Joker origin story in which he's portrayed, initially at least, as a fairly sympathetic character? We have to invest in the character somehow and, unless the filmmakers are total morons, I doubt that his descent into criminal insanity is presented as something to aspire to.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/joker-and-the-long-history-of-movie-moral-panics

Jack Nicholson wasn't the first person to play the Joker in a film, that honour goes to Cesar Romero. A scandalous oversight, so that article can go fuck itself.*

* It's a good, interesting article.

[Blumf]

Jack Nicholson wasn't the first person to play the Joker in a film, that honour goes to Cesar Romero. A scandalous oversight, so that article can go fuck itself.

Yeah, that bit rankled.

[greenman]

Also, what's wrong with presenting a Joker origin story in which he's portrayed, initially at least, as a fairly sympathetic character? We have to invest in the character somehow and, unless the filmmakers are total morons, I doubt that his descent into criminal insanity is presented as something to aspire to.

Honestly though in terms of what mass shooters or alt right/incel types are likely to identify with this seems less likely than Ledgers version. It looks like he might be shown as sympathetic to start with but also as relatively powerless and clearly mentally damaged. The attraction of Ledgers Joker was I'd say that the character was shown as supremely self confident and empowered, never showing any weakness whilst putting forward the kind of world view they subscribe to.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

Even if the director of this film held a press conference declaring that anyone who identifies with Phoenix's Joker is in urgent need of psychiatric help, alt-right incel types would choose to identify with him anyway. These people only see what they want to see.

[Schnapple]

As someone who sat through years of film academia in the noughts, laughing openly and collectively at moral outrage over films like Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction or even Baise Moi, which The Daily Mail somehow picked up on, I must say that the leftist hand-wringing about the 'violent potential' of this film is absolutely excruciatingly embarrassing to observe. And not least because it's a superhero-origin blockbuster about a maniacal clown.

[bgmnts]

Different times though innit.

[QDRPHNC]

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Awesome, this activation will really drive engagement as part of their 360 campaign. Kudos, Warners! #engagement #jokerfilm #joker #agencylife

[Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth]

"Empty, unoriginal and boring." - https://www.escapistmagazine.com/v2/2019/10/02/joker-review-escape-to-the-movies/#brid_cp_Brid_15312_1

[bgmnts]

Didn't realise this is from the same div that made the dreadful Hangover films. Makes sense.

[amputeeporn]

As someone who sat through years of film academia in the noughts, laughing openly and collectively at moral outrage over films like Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction or even Baise Moi, which The Daily Mail somehow picked up on, I must say that the leftist hand-wringing about the 'violent potential' of this film is absolutely excruciatingly embarrassing to observe. And not least because it's a superhero-origin blockbuster about a maniacal clown.

The only rational take - the pre-sponse is pathetic.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

There are random Twitter users and at least some "leftist" and "rightist" outrage over every single thing that happens ever. What you mean to say is that you are embarrassed by the angle that the corporate media has arbitrarily decided to amplify to make money off scare-clicks and hate-clicks.

[popcorn]

One thing's for sure - this movie is going to really shake things up.

[Noodle Lizard]

It seems to be getting universally panned by the "cool" reviewers (NYT, Esquire etc.), though it's hard not to suspect his recent response to the - frankly ridiculous - controversy may have something to do with that. I remain wearily optimistic that it'll at least be a silly couple of hours' fun.

[Glebe]

The Grauniad's Peter Bradshaw also not over-the-moon about it.

The IFI here in Dublin is showing it in 70mm, hope to pop along to that within the next week.