What happened to Adam Buxton and Graham Linehan's sci-fi sitcom 'The Cloud'?

[Depressed Beyond Tables]

Also, you'd think that you fuckers could give this shit a rest on Christmas day, but apparently not. The 'gender crit' ghouls never rest, because spreading malice and harm is the point. It's what makes them feel alive, making them the very SJWs they claim to oppose. Merry Christmas and get fucked. How many more valuable people have to flee this site before you start to feel bad?

Right so I'm a fucker, a ghoul and a few other things because of a civilised discussion. Remind me why you have the final say on what gets discussed here and when it gets discussed? I feel no need to throw around insults, yet you do and try to stop people from posting too.

Is it an attempt to start a name calling match so higher ground can be taken? I'm not interested in that personally.

What might be constructive is to tackle the pertinent points head on, without trying to shoot down discussion, or kill threads by flouncing.

A big issue seems to be how do you prevent malicious men from abusing the system? There are situations such as prison where men could use this as a way to get closer to women victims and intimidate. It seems like people are either too naive to discuss these things or it's just plain easier not to. I'm leaning towards the latter.

(Feel free to do the grown-up toys out of the pram thing again.)

[Monsieur Verdoux]

This thread is about Graham Linehan, comedy writer and openly transphobic bigot. Go fuck your hobby horse somewhere else

[daf]

Why does he give so much of a shit about all this?

Logs on to internet grumblecam.com . . .

"Phwoarr! she's gorgeous . . . > (unzips) < . . . nice boobs . . . and what an arse! . . . now let the dog see the rabbit . . .

> SPROIIIINGGGG!!! <

"UGH! it's a FELLER . . . and that's his old feller . . . Ugh Ugh Ugh!"

"GRRR! Somebody must pay for this!"

Is it all transexuals he has a problem with, or just the one's that keep hold of Steven and the Twins?

[Depressed Beyond Tables]

This thread is about Graham Linehan, comedy writer and openly transphobic bigot. Go fuck your hobby horse somewhere else

Actually I registered on this site as it's one of the best when it comes to a variety of topics such as comedy, music and others. A quick check shows that was way before you registered btw so you don't need to tell me to go anywhere. I was not familiar with your username before now but I understand now that you are not the type to engage in a respectful debate, resorting to f-bombs and avoiding the question twice. Perhaps you feel threatened or perhaps you are worried that if you fully explore those questions your moral footing will give way beneath you. It's a clever way to avoid the hot potato but most can see through that schtick for what it is.

This certainly is not a hobby horse but if you consider the fully grown man of 30 plus years transitioning to beat up women in mixed martial arts, that, I think is wrong due to the natural advantages. Anyway g'luck.

https://youtu.be/aWao8QA8nvE

[metaltax]

This thread is about Graham Linehan, comedy writer and openly transphobic bigot. Go fuck your hobby horse somewhere else

I hate to be pedantic but no it isn't.

[Ambient Sheep]

His response to that tweet says it all "That's our wives and daughters being talked about". Not recognising women as individuals, but as property in relation to men.

Yes I noticed that too.  Very old-fashioned and very telling; it's like he feels personally threatened and needing to defend his "property".

I think it's quite ironic that the kind of radical feminists who would normally be the first to take apart a bloke saying something like that are now presumably on his side...

I've said it before but I think in Linehan's mind this doesn't come from bigotry. I think it comes from what he sees as defending women. But there's a lot of unpleasant assumptions within that. First of all that it's that women need defending and they're unable to do it themselves, that it takes a man - specifically him. When women support him on his trans crusade he retweets. When they don't support him they're ignored or he initiates a pile on. It's 'nice guy' behaviour. Wants to be seen as supporting women but doesn't actually listen to them and turns on them...

Yes, exactly!


Btw, I've also wondered if daf's amusingly-written ladyboy-porn scenario probably has some truth in it as to the reasons behind all this as well...

[Ambient Sheep]

Graham has been implying the assistant thing is a joke. Whether this was initially the case or just his response to people seeing through his bullshit is up for debate however.

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1076867964241170432

From that tweet:

Graham says "that's nothing. Some people believe men can be lesbians."

Funnily enough one of my earliest exposures to trans issues was Eddie Izzard saying, about 25 years ago, that he feels "like a lesbian trapped inside a man's body".

I wonder if they know each other?

[Monsieur Verdoux]

I hate to be pedantic but no it isn't.

You don't seem to hate it quite enough.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Actually I registered on this site as it's one of the best when it comes to a variety of topics such as comedy, music and others...

Buddy, I don't care. You can obviously post what you want when you want here, and it is obviously not in my power to stop you from doing that, so I don't know why you're mewling about it as if that were the issue. The fact of the matter is that if you try to drag the conversation down to your level, people are not obliged to meet you there, and they're certainly not obliged to be respectful to you about it. Other people have raised questions about your post, and I've noticed that you've ignored them in favour of being wet at length about mine. If you're going to wade into these issues, learn to take a bit of flak. Not everybody wants the integrity of their existence questioned when they're just browsing through a forum.

We've had about 10 trans threads so your assertion that never talk about this stuff is absurd. Stop whining.

[Sin Agog]

I'm just not that mesmerised by slebs' opinions on shit.  I stopped reading Heat years ago.  If their opinions become a contagion, yes, but even though I have a trans aunt, this dude probably still under the thrall of an olde world Irish upbringing can think what he likes.

[Twed]

I'm just not that mesmerised by slebs' opinions on shit.  I stopped reading Heat years ago.  If their opinions become a contagion, yes, but even though I have a trans aunt, this dude probably still under the thrall of an olde world Irish upbringing can think what he likes.

He's become a really influential and high-profile voice though. He's well-known with people who have no idea what Father Ted or even The IT Crowd is. I think he should be treated with the same caution that alt-right luminaries are.

[Thursday]

More dangerous in a way since he's pushing these views on a liberal/left audience and causing more division. He's putting bigotry in progressive package.

[Twed]

Him teaming up with Robert Webb was incredibly inevitable. Webb is a shithead who only gets away with being himself because people imagine him as lovely soft Jez.

[Thursday]

I thought Webb was already disliked anyway since he'd already shown himself to be very New Labour centrist if I remember right.

[Phil_A]

I'm just not that mesmerised by slebs' opinions on shit.  I stopped reading Heat years ago.  If their opinions become a contagion, yes, but even though I have a trans aunt, this dude probably still under the thrall of an olde world Irish upbringing can think what he likes.

It's not just some bloke ranting in a pub, twitter gives him a massive platform to spread his toxic shit all over. And people will take him seriously because his status gives him a perceived authority among the eyes of many(including himself).

[neveragain]

I thought Webb was already disliked anyway since he'd already shown himself to be very New Labour centrist if I remember right.

Having read How Not To Be A Boy, I would find this hard to believe; a book that never denigrates women but realises that men have their own issues too (including the avoidance of 'toxic masculinity'). I've no idea what point he's making in regards Mermaids (?) however, though it did sound a bit dodgy.
Also, re: New Labour, he certainly dislikes Corbyn if his Tweeting is anything to go by.

Sorry this isn't about Adam Buxton.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Why does he give so much of a shit about all this?

He should set up a comedy benefit gig to support whatever he's supporting here

Can't help thinking that life was possibly easier when nobody gave a shit what a shit comedy writer thought about anything, tbh.

[Twed]

Also, re: New Labour, he certainly dislikes Corbyn if his Tweeting is anything to go by.

He says that the Tony Benn era of Labour gave us unending Tory rule (he just casually forgets that big lump of New Labour in the middle of it, because he loves it and does not want to blame it for the Cameron/May years).

[Lisa Jesusandmarychain]

What the devil are mermaids ? I mean I know what proper mermaids are, thst live in the big blue wet thing, but what does the exciting, new 21st Century term mean ?

[Twed]

A charity that gives support to transgender children and their families. For example, it helps young transgender people avoid homelessness because they have been shunned by their families. The rich, comfortable men Robert Webb and Graham Linehan are angry about this.

[Thursday]

No it tells boys who say they like the colour pink that they have to change gender immediately. I read about it in The Times, so it must be true.

[Lisa Jesusandmarychain]

A charity that gives support to transgender children and their families. For example, it helps young transgender people avoid homelessness because they have been shunned by their families. The rich men Robert Webb and Graham Linehan are angry about this.

Oh, I see. Thanks for info.
Hmmmmmm.....Graham Linehan's a twat, isn't he ?

[Jerzy Bondov]

Graham is particularly keen to protect the integrity of women's sport for some reason. Who gives a fuck honestly. You ever seen a women's football match? Shite. If anything it could use a few trans women in there to mix it up.

[thugler]

Actually I registered on this site as it's one of the best when it comes to a variety of topics such as comedy, music and others. A quick check shows that was way before you registered btw so you don't need to tell me to go anywhere. I was not familiar with your username before now but I understand now that you are not the type to engage in a respectful debate, resorting to f-bombs and avoiding the question twice. Perhaps you feel threatened or perhaps you are worried that if you fully explore those questions your moral footing will give way beneath you. It's a clever way to avoid the hot potato but most can see through that schtick for what it is.

This certainly is not a hobby horse but if you consider the fully grown man of 30 plus years transitioning to beat up women in mixed martial arts, that, I think is wrong due to the natural advantages. Anyway g'luck.

https://youtu.be/aWao8QA8nvE

Pathetic. I don't give a fuck about mixed martial arts, could you have given a less important example if you tried? Nor do i think people transition for this reason.

[Depressed Beyond Tables]

Pathetic. I don't give a fuck about mixed martial arts, could you have given a less important example if you tried? Nor do i think people transition for this reason.

Right so a man beating up a women is something you don't care about. Fine, position established, I think I'm beginning to understand. Of course it's not the only reason people transition. That video covers a tiny minority, but it's a demonstration of how the system is not perfect, yet. Most trans people are good, decent people.

Here's one for you. Maybe you don't care either.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/11/transgender-prisoner-born-male-sexually-assaulted-female-inmates/

A "predatory and highly manipulative" rapist and paedophile has been jailed for life after a court heard how she used a transgender persona to attack female prisoners. 

Karen White, 52, who was born a man, used the guise of wanting to change sex to convince the authorities to place her in a women's prison where she sexually assaulted two female inmates.

People have the right to change their genitals to the faces of Mt. Rushmore if they like. That's not the issue. The issue is protecting the vulnerable.

[thugler]

That's a failure of the prison system to protect inmates, not an argument against trans people

[canadagoose]

Here's one for you. Maybe you don't care either.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/11/transgender-prisoner-born-male-sexually-assaulted-female-inmates/

Can you maybe get to the point? A specific point, rather than a general one, if you don't mind. What does this imply?

[Monsieur Verdoux]

Yeah what's the policy proposal here, DBT? If you want to be a fucking tedious debate club nerd about it, how about making an actual concrete point? Otherwise throwing up these stories seems as ghoulish as linking multiple stories about 'Black crime' or 'homosexual grooming'

[DeadBishop]

The point is it's "concerning"

The point it "we should be able to have an honest debate about this"

The point is "do you think its fine for men to do this?"

The point is "you do realise some people said 'bleeders'? I suppose that's okay, is it?"

The point is "they aren't real women are they?"

The point is "if i put a tail and a set of ears on it doesn't make me a cat, no matter how much i feel like it.'

[Barry Admin]

The point it "we should be able to have an honest debate about this"

Plus "rational" and "sensible" debate. Please never forget the demand for "rational" and "sensible" debate from hate-filled pustules like Graham fucking Linehan.