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What Non-New Films Have You Seen? (2019 Edition)

Started by zomgmouse, January 02, 2019, 08:20:19 AM

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phantom_power

The plot is pretty slight and there is not a lot to the detective side of things but the characters are pretty rich and it looks great. Not sure about the motel worker though. That was laid on a bit thick


Shit Good Nose


St_Eddie

#124
Probably being a dick here but still...

Kinda worried that people are being serious with the whole "cancelled" thing.  Please tell me that you folks don't actually think of me as a misogynistic arsehole?  Please tell me that.  Please?

I could have phrased things better, I know that but I don't dislike women, much less hate them.  Crikey, I could have worded things better.  I really could have.  However, though my golden status as a massive arsehole remains unchallenged, I don't consider myself to be a misogynistic arsehole, I really don't.  Merely an arsehole, is what I am.

Perhaps you all were joking, I don't know.  I certainly hope so!

St_Eddie

Bloody edit bug.  Just sorting that out.  Done.

Ferris

Yeah I was joking, pretty sure everyone else was too. Disliking a film (or the advertising around it) does not make you a bad person. I (and I assume everyone else) reckon you're a great bunch of lads, and I genuinely apologize if my silly joke was misconstrued. It was a satire of the ambulance-chaser style of twitter mob they have nowadays.

I always take the piss (it's my default setting) with the implicit understanding that everyone knows that I'm a nice chap and obviously taking the piss - that said, it's not always clear. I think most of the time everyone gets that I'm joking (especially on CaB where everyone is a sarcy fucker) but sometimes the meaning is lost.

Anyway, get some sleep - isn't it 5am in the UK?

St_Eddie

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 25, 2019, 05:09:52 AM
Yeah I was joking, pretty sure everyone else was too. Disliking a film (or the advertising around it) does not make you a bad person. I (and I assume everyone else) reckon you're a great bunch of lads, and I genuinely apologize if my silly joke was misconstrued. It was a satire of the ambulance-chaser style of twitter mob they have nowadays.

I always take the piss (it's my default setting) with the implicit understanding that everyone knows that I'm a nice chap and obviously taking the piss - that said, it's not always clear. I think most of the time everyone gets that I'm joking (especially on CaB where everyone is a sarcy fucker) but sometimes the meaning is lost.

Ah, thank you.  I'm an inordinately worried person, whom is excessively concerned that people may interpret my words in a way which were not intended.  I believe that the technical term for such a person as myself is 'a massive great big paranoid twat'.

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on January 25, 2019, 05:09:52 AMAnyway, get some sleep - isn't it 5am in the UK?

It is and all!  Fuck's sake.  Sort it out, me.

greenman

Quote from: St_Eddie on January 23, 2019, 07:21:27 PM
I've only watched the movie the one time (and will likely keep it that way) but immediately after that viewing, I was very ambivalent in regards to my feelings about the droid character.  However, the more that I thought about it and its not so hidden political agenda and the non-too-subtle "subtext" behind her character, the more I came to realise that that character is total shit.

"Can I get you anything?"

"Equal rights."

Urgh.  How about you just make a fun space movie and leave the whole 'the force is female' shit out of it?  It's meant to be dumb fun for kids of all ages, with a black and white depiction of good and evil, not a political movement and a platform used for preaching your stance to your audience.  Presumably, most of us watch Star Wars movies as a means of escapism, into a galaxy far, far away.  Escapism doesn't generally involve doubling down on the current gender politics of the real world and essentially shouting your own stance to the audience.  Star Wars is meant to be fun.  What's fun about that?!

To be fair I think as far as blockbusters go Starwars tended to have a bit more moral depth to it originally and Rogue One wasn't bad either but the sequels and Solo just seemed to take the view of throwing out some simplistic buzzwork politics in place of that whilst being moral vacuums.

After loving Sorcerer went back and got the BFI Bluray of Wages of Fear, I seem to have some vague memory of having seen it before but probably just clips on some documentary.

phantom_power

With Solo it was a bit of a joke though wasn't it, the idea of a robot revolutionary.  Whether that was successful or not is another story but I don't think it was there just to be "right on".

greenman

Quote from: phantom_power on January 25, 2019, 07:53:01 AM
With Solo it was a bit of a joke though wasn't it, the idea of a robot revolutionary.  Whether that was successful or not is another story but I don't think it was there just to be "right on".

Moreso than the sequels I spose but it seemed a bit too pleased with itself, the same with the ending which I felt was aiming for some rather unearnt weight.

St_Eddie

Quote from: phantom_power on January 25, 2019, 07:53:01 AM
With Solo it was a bit of a joke though wasn't it, the idea of a robot revolutionary.  Whether that was successful or not is another story but I don't think it was there just to be "right on".

If you don't think that the decision to cast a woman in the role of the (and I hate to use this term, trust me I really do, but this is what the character essentially was...) SJW robot, wasn't a very purposeful and agenda ridden decision, then quite frankly, you may be a little naive.  When the robot said "equal rights", it's wasn't about droid rights.  The non-too-subtle subtext was 'equal rights for women'.  It was so on the nose, that it was painful.  Bad writing is bad writing.  A good writer doesn't simply shout their political beliefs at the audience.  That's not entertainment.  That's preaching.

phantom_power

Yeah I get it. I am not a moron. For me though it was so on the nose it was funny. The fact that she was so hectoring was part of the joke.

Was the character conceived by Lord and Miller or was it part of the re-writes. I doubt L&M would be that fussed about political agendas rather than the amusing juxtaposition of a suffragette robot

I imagine the sort of person who needs to be told that women should be treated equally probably wouldn't be open to the message anyway.

QDRPHNC

The boy and I watched 2001 in 4k in the dark on our sweet 4k TV. Ashamed to say I had never seen it before. Fucking hell, staggering. Masterpiece. Can't believe I left it this long, The Shining is my favourite horror movie ever. The boy come home from school yesterday badgering me to put on the scene again where they find the monolith on the moon, he liked that it made him feel "all weird inside."

I came away from the movie with an idea about it's meaning I haven't seen elsewhere (although I'm sure it must be out there, I just didn't find it in my few hours of browsing "10 Things People Think About 2001" type lists web site).

Sebastian Cobb

Some of it is explained in 2010. Shite by comparison though. Never stood a chance really.

QDRPHNC

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on January 25, 2019, 07:00:55 PM
Some of it is explained in 2010. Shite by comparison though. Never stood a chance really.

I've heard it's not so good, so I don't want to sully 2001 with it. I did read some of the backstory about the monoliths' purpose(s) from the book, but I have decided to take Kubrick's ambiguity as canon, much like The Shining.

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on January 25, 2019, 07:00:55 PM
Some of it is explained in 2010. Shite by comparison though. Never stood a chance really.

2010 is a good film and a decent sequel, but it's tonally and stylistically completely different.  If you go in expecting 2001 part 2 you'll be disappointed, but if you accept that it's a more "straight forward" and rooted sci-fi film that tries to answer some of the questions, then you might be pleasantly surprised.  The IMDB score of 6.8 is about right - not a masterpiece, but a very decent film within the genre and eminently watchable.  If nothing else, Roy Scheider is great as Floyd and Bob Balaban is also great as HAL's creator Dr Chandra.

Phil_A

Quote from: Zetetic on January 20, 2019, 11:39:21 PM
One of the things I really like about it is that it's not just a dream; at the very least it's also story elaborated and told by Griffin.

(Except, we also know that the depiction of the modern world - well, 20th century Australia - is curiously accurate. You can't really make sense of it - not that you really have to I suppose - other than by vaguely taking on something a bit like the magical thinking of the characters.)

It's definitely not just a dream, it's a prophecy. Remember, it's established the boy has some some kind of mystical foresight, and that all his visions have come true.

They give you a visual clue that the journey through time isn't "really" happening as those parts of the film are in colour and all the "real" parts of the film are shot in black and white.

QuoteIt's one of few films that has two different reviews by Empire Magazine. One dubs it "unmitigated guff" and gives it one bag of popcorn https://www.empireonline.com/movies/navigator/review/ (also uses a picture from Buster Keaton's film of the same name), the other review calls it "wonderful" and awards it five bags of popcorn https://www.empireonline.com/movies/navigator-medieval-odyssey/review/ (both reviews contain spoilers). The lesson? Empire reviews can't be trusted.

Kim Newman can shove his review up his smirking, mutton-chopped arse.

St_Eddie

Quote from: phantom_power on January 25, 2019, 10:24:09 AM
Yeah I get it. I am not a moron.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were.  I wouldn't dream of it.  Apologies for any offence caused.

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on January 25, 2019, 10:06:37 PM
Roy Scheider is great...

Yep, that kinda goes without saying.

phantom_power

Quote from: St_Eddie on January 25, 2019, 10:34:50 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were.  I wouldn't dream of it.  Apologies for any offence caused.


Yeah, well fuck you bud...oh. Apology accepted.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on January 25, 2019, 10:06:37 PM
2010 is a good film and a decent sequel, but it's tonally and stylistically completely different.  If you go in expecting 2001 part 2 you'll be disappointed, but if you accept that it's a more "straight forward" and rooted sci-fi film that tries to answer some of the questions, then you might be pleasantly surprised.  The IMDB score of 6.8 is about right - not a masterpiece, but a very decent film within the genre and eminently watchable.  If nothing else, Roy Scheider is great as Floyd and Bob Balaban is also great as HAL's creator Dr Chandra.

Yeah, thats a good take on it.

Blumf

The problem with 2010 is that it fucks over the core of 2001

In the first film, we have a story of intelligent life, and at critical junctures the monoliths turn up (causing or observing developments), in particular we see a monolith at the start of Man's violent journey to technological supremacy (jump cut from first weapon to orbiting nuclear weapons platform). Now, in the future, it seems that maybe computer intelligence has reached a similar level, as shown with HAL, and again a monolith is present.

Skip to 2010 and yeah, nah mate, it was just stupid politicians and their Cold War ways screwing up the blameless AI and making it kill by accident, HAL's a good guy really Mystery solved.

Having said that, there are some very nice bits to 2010, it's not a dud on it's own terms, just shouldn't have shat on 2001 like that.

Custard

Wake In Fright (1971)

A drama/thriller about an uptight English teacher who goes to the Australian outback, and soon finds himself falling in with the locals.

I thought this was pretty great. I didn't know anything about it going in, so I kept thinking it might go the horror route. So when it didn't, I found it genuinely surprising and refreshing. Though I suppose in some ways it is a horror. No Spoilerz mate

Some great performances, especially Gary Bond and Donald Pleasance. Really loved this.

4 kangaroo punches

Dex Sawash

I wanted to fuck the leet robot so I suppose that means robot feminism is probably a good thing.

zomgmouse

Quote from: Shameless Custard on January 26, 2019, 01:15:20 AM
Wake In Fright (1971)

A drama/thriller about an uptight English teacher who goes to the Australian outback, and soon finds himself falling in with the locals.

I thought this was pretty great. I didn't know anything about it going in, so I kept thinking it might go the horror route. So when it didn't, I found it genuinely surprising and refreshing. Though I suppose in some ways it is a horror. No Spoilerz mate

Some great performances, especially Gary Bond and Donald Pleasance. Really loved this.

4 kangaroo punches

My favourite Australian film, I thought it was an outright horror going in and was a bit disappointed when that didn't turn out to be the case but then when I reconsidered it I realised just how haunting it was and how well the atmosphere worked. A masterpiece.

Custard

Agreed. It has a very unique feeling atmosphere. In fact, I don't think I've seen a film like it!

Custard

Wild Strawberries (1957)

Trying to get round to seeing some more Ingmar Bergman films, and this seemed like a good place to start, as it comes very highly rated.

Found it really moving, and it's so well written and directed. An instant classic, for me.

Might go for Persona next!

amputeeporn

Quote from: Shameless Custard on January 26, 2019, 09:33:19 AM
Might go for Persona next!

Funnily enough watched Persona the other night but have never seen Wild Strawberries. P was terrific fun - a lean psychological thriller that still felt cutting edge in a sense. Really keeps putting you on the back foot. Will definitely watch Strawberries soon.

Where from there? All I've seen before is Seventh Seal.

zomgmouse

Quote from: amputeeporn on January 26, 2019, 10:07:45 AM
Where from there? All I've seen before is Seventh Seal.

Ooh there's many ways you could go: The Virgin Spring, Fanny and Alexander, Winter Light, Autumn Sonata...

hedgehog90

#149
I watched Wild Strawberries first (also loved) and then Persona. I recommend that you watch Persona next too. I was bowled over by it because it wasn't like anything I was expecting. It's a heck of a gear change from Wild Strawberries, but with these 2 films under your belt you'll have a good base from which to explore the rest of his films.
Seventh Seal didn't do much for me, but since then I've seen Virgin Spring and Winter Light, which I enjoyed very much (both very intense films).
Next up on my list is Through a Glass Darkly, which I apparently should have seen before Winter Light because it's the first part of a trilogy but WHATEVER.

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I'm sure you're all wondering what else I've been watching and enjoying recently, so I've compiled a list (like Scorsese), ordering them in descending order of enjoyment/goodness:

Synecdoche, New York (2008)
Alice in the Cities (1974)
3 Women (1977)
Caché (2005)
Kagemusha (1980)
Harold and Maude (1971)
The Lost Weekend (1945)
The Long Day Closes (1992)
Three Colors: Red (1994)
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927)
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
Winter Light (1963)
Some Like It Hot (1959)
The 400 Blows (1959)
Man with a Movie Camera (1929)
The Wrong Man (1956)
Land of Silence and Darkness (1971)
White Heat (1949)
Sorcerer (1977)
All About Eve (1950)
M (1931)
Walkabout (1971)
The Young and the Damned [Los Olvidados] (1950)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
The Red Turtle (2016)
The Return of the Living Dead (1985)
The Sting (1973)
Onibaba (1964)
White Christmas (1954)
The Last Laugh (1924)
The Seashell and the Clergyman (1928)
Even Dwarfs Started Small (1970)
La Notte (1961)
Witness for the Prosecution (1957)
The Mummy (1932)
Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958)
The 39 Steps (1935)
Little Caesar (1931)
Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom (1975)
Last Tango in Paris (1972)