Is Theresa May still in charge? Brexit Discussion Thread Four

[Johnny Yesno]

People living in the UK are entitled to vote on fundamental issues about how their country is run without being guilt tripped by people who don't even live here though presumably? The alternative is a small minority of people who don't want to live in the UK get to force the 17.4m people who do to remain in the EU against their will which doesnt sound right.

But they weren't all entitled, were they biggy?

[Isnt Anything]

Why do you think?

Genuinely dont know. Was a bit cheeky i suppose but i just find it amusing when they turn up to defend each other in threads, tbf dont think its happened in a while now which is i suppose why i remarked on it.

I found Simnocks bragging about his salary far more cunty, tbh.

but yeah, nothing wrong with your female partner earning more than you. however not sure anyone was actually saying that it was.

[Paul Calf]

But they weren't all entitled, were they biggy?

Blut und Boden, mate. Why should they get a say in a decision that seriously affects their lives in every single respect? They're inconvenient to Biggy's perfect, Euclidean world view  deserters of the Fatherland  second-class citizens!

Why is there no way of saying that that doesn't make whoever says it sound like an utter cunt?

[Replies From View]

I'd defend my brother if he posted here; who wouldn't?

I just don't think any issues you may have with one person's views should transpose over to their brother, just because they are defending them.

[biniput]

-It isn't even trying to deal with the point I made.  Also I do have the right to comment and my being related should NOT discount such a right.

[Paul Calf]

I enjoy sneering at certain pompous pricks in these threads and I don't care if they are socialists (well they like to think they are) or not. Actually on this front while we are bring up what I earn just in passing if I just sit in my job for the next 2 years I will be on about £33k (ta very much) oh and its been hinted to me again that I should go for a higher band post that would see me earning about £35-£37k, keep me going just about I think :).

Is this a cry for help?

[biniput]

Genuinely dont know. Was a bit cheeky i suppose but i just find it amusing when they turn up to defend each other in threads, tbf dont think its happened in a while now which is i suppose why i remarked on it.

I found Simnocks bragging about his salary far more cunty, tbh.

but yeah, nothing wrong with your female partner earning more than you. however not sure anyone was actually saying that it was.

I have been on this board more than 10 years and self consciously "defended him" about 4 times in all. If that is too much then you can fuck off.

[Uncle TechTip]

That's true, but it's also the single largest vote for anything in the history of British democracy, which goes back roughly 900 years, so I'm not sure it's the best argument,

I think you should step down from this bollocks, of course the last vote was the biggest vote in anything in 900 years or whatever hyperbole you can muster, it was a binary choice question and the population has never been higher. If you really want to labour this point, worthless though it is, you should instead look at margins of victory or percentages, and maybe turnout, in which case this was by no means the biggest vote or anything near it.

[BlodwynPig]

Any fan of Heimat gets a pass from me.

[Isnt Anything]

I'd defend my brother if he posted here; who wouldn't?

I dunno. Depends what he wrote. Plus i would tend to think hes perfectly capable of defending himself. I suppose i could see it happening in certain narrow circumstances but luckily its very unlikely i will ever have to find out.

I just don't think any issues you may have with one person's views should transpose over to their brother, just because they are defending them.

What, even if theyre the same views ?!

But yeah i know what you meant (i think) and they dont automatically transpose. I actually have different opinions of the two of them and as i said above i had no real issue with biniputs post itself, although i think it may have been misdirected as i think Yesno was teasing about how the salary difference might make Simnock feel, rather than saying it was a bad thing in itself.

-It isn't even trying to deal with the point I made.

Yeah because i really couldnt be arsed to get into it, but now i have as you can see.

Also I do have the right to comment and my being related should NOT discount such a right.

Oh yeah, of course thats true. I guess it just looks funny when youve not contributed so far then suddenly appear out of nowhere to chip in. But yeah that is your right.

I have been on this board more than 10 years and self consciously "defended him" about 4 times in all. If that is too much then you can fuck off.

If thats all its been then fair enough i spose. It used to feel like more though but i could be wrong.

Like i said i dont deny my comment was a bit cheeky. Wasnt meant to be 'cunty', though.

[biniput]

Is this a cry for help?

I will admit it is a little over defensive but you and others are trying too hard to "win" the day at all costs. This thread is getting more desperate as the days pass toward exit.

[Johnny Yesno]

I will admit it is a little over defensive but you and others are trying too hard to "win" the day at all costs. This thread is getting more desperate as the days pass toward exit.

You're Simnock's brother? We've learned something in 96 pages after all.

[Ferris]

Edit: why am I wading into this. I blame the weather.

-22c it is here.

[biggytitbo]

No, just you.  I don't personally tend to apply an unnecessarily broad brush that makes me misunderstand details like this.

I would never describe you as a sociopath despite your inability to have any insight or empathy for the millions of people you don't agree with, or disdain for the basic concepts of democracy. I think you're an otherwise reasonable man who just had this one wrong.

[Johnny Yesno]

People living in the UK are entitled to vote on fundamental issues about how their country is run without being guilt tripped by people who don't even live here though presumably? The alternative is a small minority of people who don't want to live in the UK get to force the 17.4m people who do to remain in the EU against their will which doesnt sound right.

Leave: 17,410,742 Votes

Remain: 16,141,241 Votes

Around 3.7 million people living in the UK in 2018 were citizens of another EU country. That's probably about a quarter of a million more than in 2016. And they won't all be adults. Whatever, they should have had a voice and could even have changed the outcome of the referendum. How is that democratic, biggy?

[Replies From View]

I would never describe you as a sociopath despite your inability to have any insight or empathy for the millions of people you don't agree with, or disdain for the basic concepts of democracy. I think you're an otherwise reasonable man who just had this one wrong.

Very bad post.

[Johnny Yesno]

Very bad post.

Funny, he won't answer my question. The problem might be who is asking it. Maybe you should give it a go.

[Paul Calf]

I will admit it is a little over defensive but you and others are trying too hard to "win" the day at all costs. This thread is getting more desperate as the days pass toward exit.

It might help if he didn't act like a shit-stirring cunt every single time he posts in Brexit threads.

[Johnny Yesno]

Well, I guess I'm right, then. There should be a second referendum because the first one was undemocratic. That was surprisingly easy in the end.

[Isnt Anything]

You're Simnock's brother? We've learned something in 96 pages after all.

Im sorry, i thought everyone knew. Perhaps i was being cunty after all. Didnt mean to be. :(

[Johnny Yesno]

I didn't get the memo, you bastard. Why do I never get the memo?

[BlodwynPig]

Edit: why am I wading into this. I blame the weather.

-22c it is here.

That's tomorrow. Fucking hell the snow though. I went 1.5 miles to the shops and could barely make it back. My legs are knackered and I can't see the steps from my patio any more.

Edit: correction _ "Feels like -21 C"

[BlodwynPig]

[Buelligan]

Im sorry, i thought everyone knew. Perhaps i was being cunty after all. Didnt mean to be. :(

I knew, I remember Simnock's interactions with dear old rudi.

I'm not sure you're correct here BTW, Amby -

Two things have been striking me of late.

Firstly, I have to wonder if she hadn't called that last election and thus didn't need to keep the DUP onside, whether it wouldn't all be done and dusted by now with a customs border down the Irish Sea.  It would be the obvious solution if it weren't for the DUP, especially given that N.I. actually voted in favour of Remain (a fact that conveniently keeps getting forgotten).  I know they're officially called the Conservative and Unionist Party but I'm sure they would have handwaved things away with reassurances about how they're really still part of the U.K...

Not IMO, anyway.  Sure, the DUP have a position on this and do hold the whip hand but the loyalist community of NI have a fairly strong view too (with or without the DUP in Westminster).  I cannot imagine how anyone believes they can diddle about with arrangements and borders and the like in the Province without causing a shitload of grief, because I absolutely believe that would be impossible (even more so if it was imposed without consultation from outside).

[biggytitbo]

[greenman]

[Artemis]

So what do we expect to happen this week?

Presumably there's little to no chance that May will get her original WA through as it stands, and there's no obvious majority for any other kind of deal at the moment. So unlike last week, it'll surely come down to an amendment, and the only one of those I reckon would get a majority is one that blocks no deal. The ERG and many Tories wouldn't vote for it, but almost all the opposition would, including the DUP, and remainer Tories.

The language coming from No.10 seems to indicate they're half expecting that as well. But what the fuck then?

[mothman]

The outcome that seems to get mentioned most is some sort of full-on schism in the Conservative Party, something a bit more than just a voting rebellion. Though what actual form that would take, and its repercussions, are hard to predict.

[Zetetic]

Soviet Union and Yugoslavia towards the end are interesting to consider with all this "it's just about democracy and returning control to our nation" blather.

Regardless of the validity of the point about democracy (and I'd suggest it was more true in those places than the EU), it's notable how internal and external special interests can hijack this supposed shifting of power back to "the (real) people".

Which isn't meant to be an argument against shifting such power, but that we should be clearer what the end is, what the power is wanted for in the immediate term. (Not least because, pragmatically some of those ends are in question right now - ending common citizenship and FoM is a decision being taken now, it's not something we're " taking back control over" to discuss some other day.)

[Replies From View]

The outcome that seems to get mentioned most is some sort of full-on schism in the Conservative Party, something a bit more than just a voting rebellion. Though what actual form that would take, and its repercussions, are hard to predict.

Oh man I really hope for this to happen.  It would make this whole Brexit fiasco worthwhile.