Is Theresa May still in charge? Brexit Discussion Thread Four

[BlodwynPig]

Hardly an indication that peoples' votes were not swayed by the suggestion that Turkey could join the EU, is it?


_{Matthew 11:28}

You'd be surprised how close to the truth you are with that post.

[Buelligan]

I doubt it, old pig.

[JamesMcGrory]

Could you please provide more info

Certainly. I'd have preferred a less neither polite or venomous enquiry, but I'll nonetheless outline the essentials any prospective employee should know.

Gaping Britain (formerly known as Open Britain - that name was democratically decided to be lacking sufficient inclusivity. I say "democratically", by that I mean I said so) is a wondrously kaleidoscopic organisation whose main purpose is to rewrite recent history because people got it wrong. No one wants to focus on their mistakes. We're here to help. Instead of valuing facts, evidence, or the individuality of unique human experience, we promote what really matters, our own loving lies. We're essentially parental figures for a gammon heavy world. We decide whether Santa exists or not. Any resistance and we remove your 'present' - the right, once in your lifetime, to a meaningful political choice. We gaslight the nation (only the bad bits, we essentially operate in areas where the average house price is below £380K) - forcefully reminding people that anything they see, hear or otherwise experience, unless it promotes a globalist world view in their hearts - most lack anything you (i hope) or I (definitely) would recognise as a mind - is false. We're a national correctional facility for crimes against a finance and corporate centric world view. If you're prepared to work in East Anglia there are opportunities for fast tracking.

Good luck. (Luck has nothing to do with it, what I say goes. And if it goes wrong, I didn't say it)

[phantom_power]

SATIRE! It's like that Nish Kumar mixed with HIGNFY

[biggytitbo]

I thought all the problems in this country caused by the collapse of the neoliberal economic and political order were Nigel Farages fault?

[Zetetic]

Why?

[jobotic]

I thought all the problems in this country caused by the collapse of the neoliberal economic and political order were Nigel Farages fault?

What? Is this No No-Deal Derangement Syndrome?

[Replies From View]

I thought all the problems in this country caused by the collapse of the neoliberal economic and political order were Nigel Farages fault?

What a peculiar interpretation.

[mothman]

Nothing can ever be Nigel Farage's fault, for he didst deliver Holy Brexit therefore is the most blessed amongst men. If you say anything is Nigel Farage's fault, then you are in fact saying that everything is Nigel Farage's fault.

[Howj Begg]

I think you'll find that Nigel Farage, Aaron Banks, UKIP, the ERG, Boris Johnson, the Leave campaign, the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph, played no (no) part in the Referendum result, and all Leave voters were specifically expressing the Lexitest Brexit you can possibly conceive of. Especially all the tory voting ones.

This thread, and all politics threads, are now toxic because of biggytron 3000 and his various bagmen, but I'd just like to say that David Lammy's speech was correct in most particulars - and i don't give a shit what biggy thinks of that.

[biggytitbo]

I think you'll find that Nigel Farage, Aaron Banks, UKIP, the ERG, Boris Johnson, the Leave campaign, the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph, played no (no) part in the Referendum result, and all Leave voters were specifically expressing the Lexitest Brexit you can possibly conceive of. Especially all the tory voting ones.

Whereas of course the British Government, The Prime Minister, The Conservative Party, 75% of MPs, 16 Local government authorities, the SNP, the Greens, Sinn Fein, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, George Osborne, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair, John Major, Ken Clarke, Peter Mandelson, Most university chancellors and presidents, Barack Obama, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffet, Jacob Rothschild, Alan Sugar, Richard Branson, Lord Sainsbury, Li Ka Shing, Bill Gates, the EU, Mario Draghi, François Hollande, Christine Lagarde, Emmanuel Macron, Mariano Rajoy, Angela Merkel, Kofi Annan, Justin Trudeau, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Malcolm Turnbull, Xi Jinping, the IMF, the ECB, G7, G20, WTO, World Bank, NATO, the CBI, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Barclays, HSBC, GlaxoSmithCline, Vodaphone, Unilever, ASDA, BT, Ford, Marks & Spencer, Shell, The Daily Mirror, Daily Record, FT, The Economist, Guardian, Observer, The Independent, Evening Standard, Mail on Sunday, New Statesman, The Scotsman, The Times, Sunday Mirror, The Herald, and almost all major celebrities, comedians, musicians, artists, writers, directors and sportsman played absolutely no part in the Referendum result either. Only brexit loving tory right wingers would ever be campaigning on the same side as those guys.

[Zetetic]

Bloody Sinn Fein.

[BlodwynPig]

Whereas of course the British Government, The Prime Minister, The Conservative Party, 75% of MPs, 16 Local government authorities, the SNP, the Greens, Sinn Fein, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, George Osborne, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair, John Major, Ken Clarke, Peter Mandelson, Most university chancellors and presidents, Barack Obama, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffet, Jacob Rothschild, Alan Sugar, Richard Branson, Lord Sainsbury, Li Ka Shing, Bill Gates, the EU, Mario Draghi, François Hollande, Christine Lagarde, Emmanuel Macron, Mariano Rajoy, Angela Merkel, Kofi Annan, Justin Trudeau, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Malcolm Turnbull, Xi Jinping, the IMF, the ECB, G7, G20, WTO, World Bank, NATO, the CBI, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Barclays, HSBC, GlaxoSmithCline, Vodaphone, Unilever, ASDA, BT, Ford, Marks & Spencer, Shell, The Daily Mirror, Daily Record, FT, The Economist, Guardian, Observer, The Independent, Evening Standard, Mail on Sunday, New Statesman, The Scotsman, The Times, Sunday Mirror, The Herald, and almost all major celebrities, comedians, musicians, artists, writers, directors and sportsman

Vogue.

[jobotic]

Whereas of course the British Government, The Prime Minister, The Conservative Party, 75% of MPs, 16 Local government authorities, the SNP, the Greens, Sinn Fein, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, George Osborne, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair, John Major, Ken Clarke, Peter Mandelson, Most university chancellors and presidents, Barack Obama, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffet, Jacob Rothschild, Alan Sugar, Richard Branson, Lord Sainsbury, Li Ka Shing, Bill Gates, the EU, Mario Draghi, François Hollande, Christine Lagarde, Emmanuel Macron, Mariano Rajoy, Angela Merkel, Kofi Annan, Justin Trudeau, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Malcolm Turnbull, Xi Jinping, the IMF, the ECB, G7, G20, WTO, World Bank, NATO, the CBI, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Barclays, HSBC, GlaxoSmithCline, Vodaphone, Unilever, ASDA, BT, Ford, Marks & Spencer, Shell, The Daily Mirror, Daily Record, FT, The Economist, Guardian, Observer, The Independent, Evening Standard, Mail on Sunday, New Statesman, The Scotsman, The Times, Sunday Mirror, The Herald, and almost all major celebrities, comedians, musicians, artists, writers, directors and sportsman played absolutely no part in the Referendum result either. Only brexit loving tory right wingers would ever be campaigning on the same side as those guys.

No one's pretending that the EU is a socialist paradise though are they?

Then again no one else here who says they are left-wing is a fucking liar.

Remind us what you think of trade union members who take industrial action. And how necessary austerity is.

[biggytitbo]

Don't you ever feel a wee bit uncomfortable furiously campaigning on the same side as the world's major forces of regressive capitalism and corporate power, for the most neoliberal political edifice ever devised, whose treaties, as Tony Benn observed, consist of the only constitution in history dedicated to capitalism?

As a left wing guy, does this not bother you? Or you seriously going to argue a few ephemeral right wing dickheads that can easily be removed are worse than locking ourselves into that forever?

[JamesMcGrory]

David Lammy is right. Voters are stupid are we need to ignore them. Not those in his Holy Empire of Tottenham obviously. This self important, politically illiterate and democratically bankrupt Toby Jug of an MP is the most wonderful example of a parliamentarian to ever cross the House. If only he'd nutted that heinous neo-Nazi Dennis Skinner en route, I'd have died right there.

Lammy is so outstanding the world revolves around him, he's the palpacy to democracy's Galileo. A magnificent specimen, accountable to no one outside of the range of his shadow, certainly not that Red fascist Jeremy Corbyn. A beautiful doesn't mind. His Tottenholiness hath spoken. To defy him is beyond heresy.He is the centre of the universe.

[mothman]

Vogue.

We didn't start the fire, either - it was EU deep state warmongers using Soros' matches.

[Zetetic]

Don't you ever feel a wee bit uncomfortable furiously campaigning on the same side as the world's major forces of regressive capitalism and corporate power, for the most neoliberal political edifice ever devised, whose treaties, as Tony Benn observed, consist of the only constitution in history dedicated to capitalism?

Yes. (Although I disagree with some of the hyperbole.)

As I think many of us have said, part of the damage this has done is to everyone in Europe and any attempt to build a better political edifice to hold us Europeans.

[Howj Begg]

poor the satires

as i said, really

[Zetetic]

It's a shame that we are so far into this, still with a Conservative government, plausibly likely to have one for another 2-3 years or even 7-8 and there is still any pretence about what the Brexit and its attendants we actually have are concerned with.

Leaving won't help the Leavers' concerns. It won't do anything to move us towards tackling them (and any appearance of doing so will be coincidental or conjured briefly from illusions), nor any underlying causes.

[Konki]

David Lammy is right. Voters are stupid are we need to ignore them. Not those in his Holy Empire of Tottenham obviously. This self important, politically illiterate and democratically bankrupt Toby Jug of an MP is the most wonderful example of a parliamentarian to ever cross the House. If only he'd nutted that heinous neo-Nazi Dennis Skinner en route, I'd have died right there.

Lammy is so outstanding the world revolves around him, he's the palpacy to democracy's Galileo. A magnificent specimen, accountable to no one outside of the range of his shadow, certainly not that Red fascist Jeremy Corbyn. A beautiful doesn't mind. His Tottenholiness hath spoken. To defy him is beyond heresy.He is the centre of the universe.

What's your position on the TV licence?

[buttgammon]

David Lammy is black so I will single him out because I'm a racist troll.

[jobotic]

What's your position on the TV licence?

Is that who it is? God how tedious.

[Konki]

Seems like it to me.

[JamesMcGrory]

Quite brilliant! ! I'll cut to the chase - would you like to work for Gaping Britain? Hop on board, cross the House, the Rubicon and your legs, because it's cold in Norfolk.

There I was, focusing on the content of David Lammy's speech in Parliament yesterday, that another contributor had brought attention to, and I completely overlooked his ethnicity. You're more than worthy of the 'gammon' part of your name. Calling those you disagree with you "racist" is a proven winning tactic. If we can't win the battle for hearts and minds with baseless attacks, I don't know how we can. And I know everything. Beyond that, much like Mr Lenny Tiswas, I'm no stranger to a can of D condensed milk myself. Magnificent.

[JamesMcGrory]

What's your position on the TV licence?

What an extremely odd question. I'm not on the TV Licence. The BrexitBoysClub again proved its bias by failing to balance its endless fascist enabling by featuring me on it.

What's your position on the 'theory' that Free Movement is a race to the middle and as the UK is currently far above the median point in terms of income a longterm prospect of membership is an inevitable and drastic reduction in living standards? Personally, along with the Koch Bros (huge fans of No Borders - aren't we all?) I just love it, because it holds no negative consequences for me whatsoever. Brilliant!

[Howj Begg]

Imagine taking the time to type out all that humourless irony.

Anyway, Caroline Lucas is another one who's been right all along, and I liked her speech today too:

Many people took the question they were being asked to mean "Should the country go on being run in the way that it is?'

And they voted "NO!" with a collective howl of rage.

That response was justified then - and it's justified now.

For some, it might have been mixed up with fear, even bigotry, and an impossible longing for the past.

But there was - and is - a core message at the heart of the Brexit vote.

That the status quo in this country is intolerable for huge numbers of people.

That the social contract is broken and the power game is rigged.

It is right and reasonable to be furious.

Changing the Brexit conversation means proudly celebrating free movement - and the opportunities it's given to individuals and to our country.

It was not just a political failure, but a moral failure, that saw the Remain campaign hide away from talking about migration in 2016 - preferring instead to bandy about economic threats, rather than engage in a serious debate on this pressing issue.

It also means making those opportunities of free movement genuinely available to all - when for vast swathes of people today they're not even imaginable.

As inequality spins out of control, people in all classes feel helpless. That's why the slogan "Take back control" had such resonance.

It promised agency in a system in which the rich and powerful, who clearly do have agency, were telling us that the market rules, and there's nothing anyone can do.

In short, this is a country where what dictates your success isn't how hard you work, or how much you care.

It's not your passion or your commitment.

No. This is a country where your success is dictated by your postcode, the income of your parents, the year in which you were born.


To stand any chance of winning a People's Vote, we have to abandon all association with a vapid centrism that has failed to deliver for so many people, and would fail again.

We have to think and act anew.

To start using the ideas and language now that will set the tone for a very different kind of referendum campaign.

One that's hopeful, inclusive, energetic and radical. One we can all feel part of and one that appeals to our hearts as well as our heads.

One of the best ways to "take back control" is to rid ourselves of a winner takes all politics, and an outdated electoral system that systematically shuts people out ...

No democratic renewal is complete without proportional representation.

And let's seriously explore ideas like parliament moving out of London to a city such as Leeds or Manchester – with the chance to rebalance our economy as well as our politics.

The Palace of Westminster, Gothic, rat-infested, and crumbling into the Thames, has become a powerful symbol of political decay.

If we mean what we say about changing this country for good, then why not make moving parliament out of London the first in a series of changes which turn the UK into a 21st century democracy?

Let's learn from the inspiring way in which citizens assemblies have been used in Ireland, for example, to facilitate informed debate on contentious topics and build deep consensus and understanding.

And let's ensure that democracy can no longer be undermined by fake news and post-truth advertising by introducing new ground-breaking digital democracy laws.

[Talulah, really!]

To be honest I'm not looking forward to biggy's new production of The Mikado, some of the numbers look to be a bit on the long side.

Whereas of course the British Government, The Prime Minister, The Conservative Party, 75% of MPs, 16 Local government authorities, the SNP, the Greens, Sinn Fein, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, George Osborne, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair, John Major, Ken Clarke, Peter Mandelson, Most university chancellors and presidents, Barack Obama, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffet, Jacob Rothschild, Alan Sugar, Richard Branson, Lord Sainsbury, Li Ka Shing, Bill Gates, the EU, Mario Draghi, François Hollande, Christine Lagarde, Emmanuel Macron, Mariano Rajoy, Angela Merkel, Kofi Annan, Justin Trudeau, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Malcolm Turnbull, Xi Jinping, the IMF, the ECB, G7, G20, WTO, World Bank, NATO, the CBI, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Barclays, HSBC, GlaxoSmithCline, Vodaphone, Unilever, ASDA, BT, Ford, Marks & Spencer, Shell, The Daily Mirror, Daily Record, FT, The Economist, Guardian, Observer, The Independent, Evening Standard, Mail on Sunday, New Statesman, The Scotsman, The Times, Sunday Mirror, The Herald, and almost all major celebrities, comedians, musicians, artists, writers, directors and sportsman played absolutely no part in the Referendum result either. Only brexit loving tory right wingers would ever be campaigning on the same side as those guys.

And that's without the encores...

These people are:

The British Government, The Prime Minister, The Conservative Party, 75% of MPs, 16 Local government authorities, the SNP, the Greens, Sinn Fein, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, George Osborne, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair, John Major, Ken Clarke, Peter Mandelson, Most university chancellors and presidents, Barack Obama, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffet, Jacob Rothschild, Alan Sugar, Richard Branson, Lord Sainsbury, Li Ka Shing, Bill Gates, the EU, Mario Draghi, François Hollande, Christine Lagarde, Emmanuel Macron, Mariano Rajoy, Angela Merkel, Kofi Annan, Justin Trudeau, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Malcolm Turnbull, Xi Jinping, the IMF, the ECB, G7, G20, WTO, World Bank, NATO, the CBI, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Barclays, HSBC, GlaxoSmithCline, Vodaphone, Unilever, ASDA, BT, Ford, Marks & Spencer, Shell, The Daily Mirror, Daily Record, FT, The Economist, Guardian, Observer, The Independent, Evening Standard, Mail on Sunday, New Statesman, The Scotsman, The Times, Sunday Mirror, The Herald, and almost all major celebrities, comedians, musicians, artists, writers, directors and sportsman.

Yakovenko, clearly not. Hambro maybe, but more of an opportunist by the sounds of it. Lord Guthrie, some decrepit old soldier living in the past? Haha this feeble list hardly stacks up against The British Government, The Prime Minister, The Conservative Party, 75% of MPs, 16 Local government authorities, the SNP, the Greens, Sinn Fein, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru, George Osborne, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair, John Major, Ken Clarke, Peter Mandelson, Most university chancellors and presidents, Barack Obama, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, Warren Buffet, Jacob Rothschild, Alan Sugar, Richard Branson, Lord Sainsbury, Li Ka Shing, Bill Gates, the EU, Mario Draghi, François Hollande, Christine Lagarde, Emmanuel Macron, Mariano Rajoy, Angela Merkel, Kofi Annan, Justin Trudeau, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Malcolm Turnbull, Xi Jinping, the IMF, the ECB, G7, G20, WTO, World Bank, NATO, the CBI, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Barclays, HSBC, GlaxoSmithCline, Vodaphone, Unilever, ASDA, BT, Ford, Marks & Spencer, Shell, The Daily Mirror, Daily Record, FT, The Economist, Guardian, Observer, The Independent, Evening Standard, Mail on Sunday, New Statesman, The Scotsman, The Times, Sunday Mirror, The Herald, and almost all major celebrities, comedians, musicians, artists, writers, directors and sportsman does it?

[JamesMcGrory]

Imagine taking the time to type out all that humourless irony.

Anyway, Caroline Lucas is another one who's been right all along, and I liked her speech today too:

I love Caroline Lucas! The way she encourages millions of people to move from low consuming, often warm, cheap, relatively empty, low resource usage regions to carbon munching, high consuming, expensive, crowded SE England is an absolute environmental disaster. And they consume at UK levels multitudes higher than they did back home, leaving empty towns behind them. It's wrecking our ecosystems, even close to my homes. And she's a Green too. Brilliant. She can come to work for Gaping Britain anytime I say.

[jobotic]

Yes very good from Lucas . Our Libertarian friends here will love that last bit.