Hacking group says it has 9/11 legal documents that will 'burn down deep state'

[mothman]

If you shoot the moon with a sniper rifle in GTA Vice City it changes size.

ONLY BRUCE GOD CAN DO THAT

[Crisps?]

Or the idea didn't occur to them because it's fucking stupid.

Russia accusing the US of faking the Moon landings is definitely either an irresistible way to "embarrass their enemy and competitor in the space race" or completely fucking stupid.

So, as propaganda can be fake which means that whatever the Russians say has no bearing on whether the moon landings were fake or not, all we have to fall back on is the massive amount of evidence that it wasn't, and the really shitty "evidence" that it was

For all the massive amount of evidence people like to pretend they've studiously examined and base their considered opinion on, for most people it boils down to just believing what they've always been told, and shown in copies of the famous clip that NASA notoriously erased, as you would for any giant leap for mankind.

Half a decade after JFK decided to go to the Moon in the 1960s, just like that, despite trailing the USSR in every way, Apollo astronauts were still dying on the tarmac. Yet a mere two years after that, with the clock running out on JFK's deadline, the most dishonest president in history was able to send spacemen on Moon vacations every six months to shoot golf and joyride, without a single fatality, using ancient tech with the computing power of a Tamagotchi.

Meanwhile absolutely nobody else in history, including every one of Nixon's successors with the technology already developed and in their hands, has ever got any closer than hot air about putting men on the Moon, and even then only in vague, theoretical future timelines vastly longer than it took NASA to crank out unprecedented success on demand from nowhere more than half a century ago.

[Paul Calf]

Yeah, sheeple.

[chveik]

the only conspiracy I'm interested in is this poll business. what's going on?

[Replies From View]

spacemen on Moon vacations every six months

Interesting the moonthers (like truthers except with moon) are now acknowledging it didn't all end after Apollo 11.

For years all you ever heard from a moonther was "ah but they never went back ah" but they must have done a bit more research since then.

[marquis_de_sad]

For all the massive amount of evidence people like to pretend they've studiously examined and base their considered opinion on, for most people it boils down to just believing what they've always been told, and shown in copies of the famous clip that NASA notoriously erased, as you would for any giant leap for mankind.

Half a decade after JFK decided to go to the Moon in the 1960s, just like that, despite trailing the USSR in every way, Apollo astronauts were still dying on the tarmac. Yet a mere two years after that, with the clock running out on JFK's deadline, the most dishonest president in history was able to send spacemen on Moon vacations every six months to shoot golf and joyride, without a single fatality, using ancient tech with the computing power of a Tamagotchi.

Meanwhile absolutely nobody else in history, including every one of Nixon's successors with the technology already developed and in their hands, has ever got any closer than hot air about putting men on the Moon, and even then only in vague, theoretical future timelines vastly longer than it took NASA to crank out unprecedented success on demand from nowhere more than half a century ago.

You sound like you've been punched in the face by a geriatric Buzz Aldrin.

[Shit Good Nose]

Russia accusing the US of faking the Moon landings is definitely either an irresistible way to "embarrass their enemy and competitor in the space race" or completely fucking stupid.

For all the massive amount of evidence people like to pretend they've studiously examined and base their considered opinion on, for most people it boils down to just believing what they've always been told, and shown in copies of the famous clip that NASA notoriously erased, as you would for any giant leap for mankind.

Half a decade after JFK decided to go to the Moon in the 1960s, just like that, despite trailing the USSR in every way, Apollo astronauts were still dying on the tarmac. Yet a mere two years after that, with the clock running out on JFK's deadline, the most dishonest president in history was able to send spacemen on Moon vacations every six months to shoot golf and joyride, without a single fatality, using ancient tech with the computing power of a Tamagotchi.

Meanwhile absolutely nobody else in history, including every one of Nixon's successors with the technology already developed and in their hands, has ever got any closer than hot air about putting men on the Moon, and even then only in vague, theoretical future timelines vastly longer than it took NASA to crank out unprecedented success on demand from nowhere more than half a century ago.

The reason nobody's been too bothered about going back to the moon is because the US went there six times and learnt pretty much everything they could - remember it's little more than a dead and desolate rock - so there wasn't much point in going back.  Would you go to Milton Keynes six times, let alone twice? 

The fact they haven't been back isn't suspicious, it's logical - each mission cost a shit load of money, and then Mars became the next goal, so all budgets and efforts were shifted over to that.

[Cuellar]

Yeah, America would never pursue an incredibly dangerous, ludicrously expensive, and hard to justify goal just for the sake of saving face. JFK would CERTAINLY never do that. If it was all a Cold War propaganda stunt, why bother going back after the Cold War ended? They've proved their point.

Reminds me of a bit in that huge Vietnam documentary on Netflix - Americans spent a lot of lives and effort and energy to win a hill back from the Viet Cong, and once they'd got to the top a helicopter came down and immediately airlifted them off and no one ever went back.

[DistressedArea]

There's no landings on the moon, because moon people all live in bungalows.

[bgmnts]

Yeah, America would never pursue an incredibly dangerous, ludicrously expensive, and hard to justify goal just for the sake of saving face. JFK would CERTAINLY never do that. If it was all a Cold War propaganda stunt, why bother going back after the Cold War ended? They've proved their point.

Reminds me of a bit in that huge Vietnam documentary on Netflix - Americans spent a lot of lives and effort and energy to win a hill back from the Viet Cong, and once they'd got to the top a helicopter came down and immediately airlifted them off and no one ever went back.

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! COMIN' AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY YEAH!

[LanceUppercut]

I'm unsure on the moon landing, won't all the crap and markings left behind be viewable with some type of telescope, I have always wondered that?

On topic though 9/11 has massive holes in the story, United 93 was shot down by the government and I have seen plenty of interviews with people saying they saw one of the drones they used in Iraq, Afghanistan, can't take long to pull one of them out of a hanager and get it airborne with some guy sat behind a screen with a Xbox controller doing the dirty work.

Obviously the US government will never admit that it shot down a passenger plane carrying over 100 US citizens that would be a massive fuckfest for the government to deal with, with all the other shady shit going on that day.

[touchingcloth]

I'm unsure on the moon landing, won't all the crap and markings left behind be viewable with some type of telescope, I have always wondered that?

If your telescope was big enough, but to see the landers as even a single pixel from earth it would have to be ludicrously, impractically big. Lunar orbiters have managed to spot the junk, though.

[Dex Sawash]

I'm unsure on the moon landing, won't all the crap and markings left behind be viewable with some type of telescope, I have always wondered that?

On topic though 9/11 has massive holes in the story, United 93 was shot down by the government and I have seen plenty of interviews with people saying they saw one of the drones they used in Iraq, Afghanistan, can't take long to pull one of them out of a hanager and get it airborne with some guy sat behind a screen with a Xbox controller doing the dirty work.

Obviously the US government will never admit that it shot down a passenger plane carrying over 100 US citizens that would be a massive fuckfest for the government to deal with, with all the other shady shit going on that day.

Can't imagine a predator UAV or similar has necessary performance to act as an airborne interceptor against a 500+knot target unless UAL93 happened to overfly the drone base. Wikipedia probably would reveal any air-to-air capability of various UAVs.
I don't doubt the possibility of a shoot-down, i just think a drone interdiction is unlikely.

[touchingcloth]

500 knots? They were making passenger liners with rivets back in 2001.

[Mister Six]

bviously the US government will never admit that it shot down a passenger plane carrying over 100 US citizens

Particularly as there were only 37 US citizens on the plane, and only 44 on the plane including the four hijackers.

[Crisps?]

The reason nobody's been too bothered about going back to the moon is because the US went there six times and learnt pretty much everything they could - remember it's little more than a dead and desolate rock - so there wasn't much point in going back.  Would you go to Milton Keynes six times, let alone twice? 

The fact they haven't been back isn't suspicious, it's logical - each mission cost a shit load of money, and then Mars became the next goal, so all budgets and efforts were shifted over to that.

I wouldn't go to Milton Keynes six times in two years then spend the rest of my life saying I'm going to Milton Keynes some time in the future while never actually doing it.

As for there being no point, and too expensive at a fraction of a percent of the federal bugdet, NASA, Russia, China, ESA and Japan have all been promising to send people to Milton Keynes for years... just at some conveniently distant and ever changing future time.

<sup>2004: "a human mission [to the Moon] as early as 2015" - https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/bush_vision.html
2005: "In 2018, humans will return to the moon" - https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/spacecraft/index_prt.htm
2008: "NASA's plans to return humans to the moon by 2020" - https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/may/HQ_08110_Name_To_The_Moon.html
2015: "NASA Is Sending Astronauts to Orbit the Moon by 2023" - https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8qxzez/nasa-is-sending-astronauts-to-orbit-the-moon-by-2023
2018: "astronauts on [Moon's] surface no later than the late 2020s" - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-unveils-sustainable-campaign-to-return-to-moon-on-to-mars

2005: "China plans to put a man on the moon around 2017" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-11/04/content_491424.htm
2010: "China could put an astronaut on the moon in 2025" - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/20/china-could-make-moon-landing-by-2025
2011: "China to put a man on the moon by 2030" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-03/04/content_12114993.htm
2016: "Senior officer expects moon visit by 2036" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-04/29/content_24957196.htm</sup>

Wasn't like that in the old days, with WWII-era scientists, gold bacofoil and the computing power of a fridge magnet. A president losing to Communism everywhere could wake up one day promising the Moon by the end of the decade and just in the nick of time America would win. You couldn't make it up.

[Dex Sawash]

500 knots? They were making passenger liners with rivets back in 2001.

Jet fuel doesn't melt aluminum rivets.

Should've said mph, 757 cruise speed listed at 460kts and max is 496kts.
Just looked, predators carried air to air stinger missiles in that era. Stinger is mach2.2 with 8km range. Still, would have to intercept from in front and would probably just get one shot (not that it woukd take two)
Predator speed 130 and ceiling 25000 feet.

But then didn't a Bristol Bulldog sink the Bismarck?

[Johnny Yesno]

I wouldn't go to Milton Keynes six times in two years then spend the rest of my life saying I'm going to Milton Keynes some time in the future while never actually doing it.

As for there being no point, and too expensive at a fraction of a percent of the federal bugdet, NASA, Russia, China, ESA and Japan have all been promising to send people to Milton Keynes for years... just at some conveniently distant and ever changing future time.

<sup>2004: "a human mission [to the Moon] as early as 2015" - https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/bush_vision.html
2005: "In 2018, humans will return to the moon" - https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/spacecraft/index_prt.htm
2008: "NASA's plans to return humans to the moon by 2020" - https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/may/HQ_08110_Name_To_The_Moon.html
2015: "NASA Is Sending Astronauts to Orbit the Moon by 2023" - https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8qxzez/nasa-is-sending-astronauts-to-orbit-the-moon-by-2023
2018: "astronauts on [Moon's] surface no later than the late 2020s" - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-unveils-sustainable-campaign-to-return-to-moon-on-to-mars

2005: "China plans to put a man on the moon around 2017" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-11/04/content_491424.htm
2010: "China could put an astronaut on the moon in 2025" - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/20/china-could-make-moon-landing-by-2025
2011: "China to put a man on the moon by 2030" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-03/04/content_12114993.htm
2016: "Senior officer expects moon visit by 2036" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-04/29/content_24957196.htm</sup>

What on earth does any of that prove? That governments drag their feet over science spending? No shit, Sherlock.

Wasn't like that in the old days, with WWII-era scientists, gold bacofoil and the computing power of a fridge magnet.

And I suppose you're an expert on how much onboard computing power it takes to get to the moon. Care to elaborate?

A president losing to Communism everywhere could wake up one day promising the Moon by the end of the decade and just in the nick of time America would win. You couldn't make it up.

You don't have to make it up. Two governments piss money on proving who has the best economic system. Bears shit in the woods.

[phantom_power]

I wouldn't go to Milton Keynes six times in two years then spend the rest of my life saying I'm going to Milton Keynes some time in the future while never actually doing it.

As for there being no point, and too expensive at a fraction of a percent of the federal bugdet, NASA, Russia, China, ESA and Japan have all been promising to send people to Milton Keynes for years... just at some conveniently distant and ever changing future time.

<sup>2004: "a human mission [to the Moon] as early as 2015" - https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/bush_vision.html
2005: "In 2018, humans will return to the moon" - https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/spacecraft/index_prt.htm
2008: "NASA's plans to return humans to the moon by 2020" - https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/may/HQ_08110_Name_To_The_Moon.html
2015: "NASA Is Sending Astronauts to Orbit the Moon by 2023" - https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8qxzez/nasa-is-sending-astronauts-to-orbit-the-moon-by-2023
2018: "astronauts on [Moon's] surface no later than the late 2020s" - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-unveils-sustainable-campaign-to-return-to-moon-on-to-mars

2005: "China plans to put a man on the moon around 2017" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-11/04/content_491424.htm
2010: "China could put an astronaut on the moon in 2025" - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/20/china-could-make-moon-landing-by-2025
2011: "China to put a man on the moon by 2030" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-03/04/content_12114993.htm
2016: "Senior officer expects moon visit by 2036" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-04/29/content_24957196.htm</sup>

Wasn't like that in the old days, with WWII-era scientists, gold bacofoil and the computing power of a fridge magnet. A president losing to Communism everywhere could wake up one day promising the Moon by the end of the decade and just in the nick of time America would win. You couldn't make it up.

So you are basing this all on an idea that it was a bit too difficult to actually do? A hunch rather than any real evidence? Unlike all the third party evidence that they did actually happen?

It always seems the risk vs reward makes the whole thing not worth it. Would there have been much backlash if America hadn't gone to the moon? Especially considering Russia didn't either? Compare that to the absolute uproar and national identity crisis that would result if the plan had failed and people had discovered the fakery. There is just too much at stake and too many ways for it to go wrong or be uncovered.

[Johnny Yesno]

It's astonishing really that in the 21st century, we're having conversations like this as we head into some kind of Endarkenment. I have a friend who is convinced the earth is flat and that the moon is a metal disc. His reasoning behind the moon nonsense is that the same face is always turned towards the earth. I'm ashamed to say that when he first came out with this, I couldn't give him an explanation as to why that was. It took another mate of mine literally seconds to explain it to me at the pub using two beer glasses and no words.

The next time I saw my flat earther friend, I thought it would be a breeze to explain to him using the same representation. It turned out to be impossible because he simply doesn't understand the basics of any rotating object orbiting another rotating object. Although, I was bemused by his apparent ability to grasp the concept of gravitational lock well enough to mock the 'coincidence'.

[bgmnts]

I would class this as an extreme cynicism; rightfully so, quite possibly.

[chveik]

[touchingcloth]

Is the deep state still smouldering?

[Replies From View]

A Christingle?

[garnish]

Hacking group release document saying why does this smell like burnt toast

[Shit Good Nose]

I wouldn't go to Milton Keynes six times in two years then spend the rest of my life saying I'm going to Milton Keynes some time in the future while never actually doing it.

As for there being no point, and too expensive at a fraction of a percent of the federal bugdet, NASA, Russia, China, ESA and Japan have all been promising to send people to Milton Keynes for years... just at some conveniently distant and ever changing future time.

<sup>2004: "a human mission [to the Moon] as early as 2015" - https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/bush_vision.html
2005: "In 2018, humans will return to the moon" - https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/spacecraft/index_prt.htm
2008: "NASA's plans to return humans to the moon by 2020" - https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/may/HQ_08110_Name_To_The_Moon.html
2015: "NASA Is Sending Astronauts to Orbit the Moon by 2023" - https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8qxzez/nasa-is-sending-astronauts-to-orbit-the-moon-by-2023
2018: "astronauts on [Moon's] surface no later than the late 2020s" - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-unveils-sustainable-campaign-to-return-to-moon-on-to-mars

2005: "China plans to put a man on the moon around 2017" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-11/04/content_491424.htm
2010: "China could put an astronaut on the moon in 2025" - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/20/china-could-make-moon-landing-by-2025
2011: "China to put a man on the moon by 2030" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-03/04/content_12114993.htm
2016: "Senior officer expects moon visit by 2036" - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-04/29/content_24957196.htm</sup>

Wasn't like that in the old days, with WWII-era scientists, gold bacofoil and the computing power of a fridge magnet. A president losing to Communism everywhere could wake up one day promising the Moon by the end of the decade and just in the nick of time America would win. You couldn't make it up.

Me and Mrs Nose went to San Francisco for our honeymoon in 2005.  We've been saying ever since then that we should go back.  We haven't been back, but still keep saying we should go back.  Just because we haven't been back, it doesn't mean we didn't go there in 2005.  Cos we did.

Aside from all of the mountains of independent and verifiable third party evidence which is an easy Google search away, China confirmed several years ago that they spotted loads of Apollo debris with their first probe.  And, as I mentioned earlier, you can see the rover tracks on Google Moon.  Not forgetting the hours of film footage available to watch on YouTube.

[Buelligan]

Yeah, but what if "China" and "America" were actually owned by the same company?

[Shit Good Nose]

Presumably either Kraft or Johnson and Johnson.

[phantom_power]

Bilderberg PLC, yeah. Yeah?

[Shit Good Nose]

Bilderberg PLC, yeah. Yeah?

I think they make the rusks I've just bought.