Becoming more right wing as you age

[QDRPHNC]

I think eggs are great.

[Ferris]

I think eggs are great.

I completely disagree.

[QDRPHNC]

I completely disagree.

You're in for such a glaring over beers, sunshine.

Seriously though, I just bought a good stovetop griddle, which has upped my fried egg game considerably. My over-easies are now restaurant quality.

[shh]

I've not seen any Rick & Morty (had to google that) t-shirts amongst the deluge of mugshots that have flooded BBC news headlines in the last couple of years. Perhaps they've been covered up for 'social cohesion'. If these 4chan oddballs really are such a threat to society, you'd expect this to manifest itself in some concrete and systematic way. None so blind...

[Ferris]

You're in for such a glaring over beers, sunshine.

Seriously though, I just bought a good stovetop griddle, which has upped my fried egg game considerably. My over-easies are now restaurant quality.

Dry January. I'll be sipping tonic water and laughing at my own anecdotes (as per usual).

[Dex Sawash]

I only know about rick and morty from that " VR cartoon characters watch a VR cartoon character have a seizure" thread.

[canadagoose]

You know who the real oppressed minority are these days? Richard and Mortimer fans smh 😤😤😤

[TrenterPercenter]

These days you say you like Rikki and Morton and you get thrown in a jail.

These days.

[Paul Calf]

These days you say you like Rikki and Morton and you get thrown in a jail.

These days.

These days,
We'll drift through it all, it's the modern age,
Take care of it all now these debts are paid.
Can you stay for these days?

[Mister Six]

And the wikipedia page for "Non-communist" countries histories on homosexuality.....

I don't think you are against anything, i just don't think you know what Communism  as proposed by Marx is, why it obviously isn't what Stalin or Mao put into effect and  what the vast majority of contemporary socialists and socialist democrats today see "left politics" representing (or what a tankie is).

I assure you I have no interest in pursuing any further conversation either as someone talking about Stalin and Mao being communists without even the slightest critique of that thought isn't exactly new or compelling.

The problem you have is that you've decided four things:

1- That left-wing is a phrase that can only be applied to the economic left, and not to the social left. The notion that left-right spectrums exist in multiple aspects of society is one you have either rejected or cannot grasp;

2- That communism means Marxism only, despite an entire century and a half of different schools of thought and practice by scholars and states alike;

3- That criticism of individuals on the left amounts to a criticism of the left as a whole, which in your particular instance - confusingly - means criticism of people you don't even consider to be leftists (yer archetypal purple-haired keyboard warriors) is a criticism of Marxism as a philosophy;

4- That it's literally impossible for someone who is a Marxist to display any form of prejudiced or problematic behaviour.

Unfortunately, all of the above stands entirely at odds with actual consensus reality. Consequently, your arguments on this thread are not actually directed at me, Cloud or anyone else, but at dancing shadows flickering across the inside of your skull.

[Paul Calf]

There's no such thing as the 'social left'. It's a meaningless phrase, like 'cultural Marxism'.

[Cloud]

Dunno if it's right wing, I think probably a neutral authoritarian, but I think democracy is fucked and the monarchy might as well take charge again.  How about that.

[pancreas]

There's no such thing as the 'social left'. It's a meaningless phrase, like 'cultural Marxism'.

I think by consensus, there is. Social left = liberal: you can do whatever you like as long as it doesn't involve guns. Social right = illiberal: you must conform in every way gender-wise, religion-wise, politically ... except you're also allowed to shoot as many blacks/gays/Jews as you fancy.

[Funcrusher]

There's no such thing as the 'social left'. It's a meaningless phrase, like 'cultural Marxism'.

Socially liberal makes a kind of sense - some conservatives are 'socially liberal' in that they support gay marriage and such despite being on the right otherwise. The 'social left' is a phrase for the identity politics era - all about privilege and oppression based on identity but avoiding all mention of money or class, so basically centrism.

[pancreas]

Yes, if I were being glib, I'd define centrism as hard-right economics plus ultra-liberal social freedoms, the latter being a fig-leaf for the former.

[Paul Calf]

Yep.

[EOLAN]

I do keep getting a lot of those foreigners thinking that our Taoiseach (Prime Minister) in Ireland is very left wing, being an Indian immigrant homosexual who has held and supported referenda that legalised abortion. Whilst I always see him as a very corporatist Thatcherite and to the right of Irish politics.
So sounds like pancreas' description of centrism I guess. 

[Funcrusher]

It's almost as if characterising people based on their skin colour, gender or sexuality is a bad idea.

[Paul Calf]

Britain's canonical example is David Cameron's legalising gay marriage and his amazingly cynical 'hug a hoodie' bullshit.

EDIT: Oops gerund.

[Mister Six]

There's no such thing as the 'social left'. It's a meaningless phrase, like 'cultural Marxism'.

And yet here we are, in a thread predicated on the notion that one's ideas can be right wing even when they're not specifically about the ownership of the means of production.

[Paul Calf]

Yes, because it's not the first time in this thread that this misconception has surfaced.

[Mister Six]

Yes, because it's not the first time in this thread that this misconception has surfaced.

Or you're wrong.

(You're wrong.)

[bim sherman shirts]

Yes, if I were being glib, I'd define centrism as hard-right economics plus ultra-liberal social freedoms, the latter being a fig-leaf for the former.

Yes, centrism/liberalism in the contemporary sense is simply the political class' belated realisation that minorities aren't abstract social pariahs but a large mass of individuals with voting and spending power who it wouldn't be in their interests to alienate any more. Empathy doesn't come into it. I'm sure David Cameron still secretly thinks Mandela should've been hanged, for example.

EDIT: as Paul Calf suggested in fewer words

[Twed]

I think centrists are just conservatives who use social issues for PR.  They never really seem to stick to their public-facing principles any longer than necessary.

For an even more glib definition, a centrist is a figure with exclusively self-serving beliefs.

[Autopsy Turvey]

What would the left do with centrists on the glorious day, would it be more labour than death, camp-wise?

[Funcrusher]

Centrists are all in favour of liberal reforms as long as they don't have any real cost attached, particularly for them. Or from which they have something to gain.

[TrenterPercenter]

Or you're wrong.

(You're wrong.)

btw i am more than happy to dismantle the nonsense you wrote up the page but I thought we'd agreed (on your request) that we weren't going discuss things further.

[Monsieur Verdoux]

What would the left do with centrists on the glorious day, would it be more labour than death, camp-wise?

would like them to have good healthcare, good public transport options and a fair wage that allows a decent standard of living, just like everybody else

[Twed]

Hilariously one of their main arguments against that idea is that they would also have access to those things when they can afford the alternatives.

That's an incredible argument, isn't it? It's so bad that it makes it more transparent that they mean "well that would make us less disgustingly rich due to a reduced flow of backhanders and taxes that don't favour us".

[Johnny Yesno]

There's no such thing as the 'social left'. It's a meaningless phrase, like 'cultural Marxism'.

Cultural Marxism is not a meaningless phrase. It's just abused by the far right.

What would the left do with centrists on the glorious day, would it be more labour than death, camp-wise?

More holiday, really.