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BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH

Started by Replies From View, January 21, 2019, 10:15:18 AM

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Johnny Yesno

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 11, 2019, 04:13:55 PM
I'll read your full post later

Can't you at least shut the fuck up till then?

Howj Begg


Johnny Yesno


Quote from: biggytitbo on February 11, 2019, 05:15:31 PMSecondly, the remain and reform position does not exist, it's as much a unicorn now as it was when Blair was palming us off with it 20 years ago. The whole point of the EU is to be resistant to such reforms, it just isn't happening. It's literally PR bullshit from the same liars who need to go in 'the purge'.

So is Corbyn going to be part of that purge?

Talulah, really!

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 11, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
Howj Begg, have you read Richard Seymour's latest on the white working class, it's makes some of the same points as you posted and is a good read even if I don't agree with everything he says https://www.patreon.com/posts/brexit-and-white-24468324

QuoteIn the summer of 2011, the brief euphoria of the student revolt turned into a summer of riots, monstered by the press and ferociously dealt with by the courts. It reignited the language of race-panic, with David Starkey complaining that the whites had become black. 

...oh noes!

Paul Calf

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 11, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
Howj Begg, have you read Richard Seymour's latest on the white working class, it's makes some of the same points as you posted and is a good read even if I don't agree with everything he says https://www.patreon.com/posts/brexit-and-white-24468324

Two points - I don't think the much derided 'lexit' is the answer, it gets things the wrong way round. I prefer thinking of brexit as 'the purge' of our political classes...

And yet you have been consistently unable to explain how this might happen.

It's The Underpant Gnomes' Guide To Social Democratic Revolution

1. Alienate closest allies.
2. Appease the far right by doing everything they want.
3. ?????????
4. Socialism!

Please explain the mechanism by which this purge that only gets rid of the bad guys will work.

Howj Begg

Ignoring btb's political classes guff (I mean, JC is a political class, ffs, he's been there for 35 years), that Richard Seymour article is a good analysis of the nationalist influence in politics and its mishandling and propaganda use by the media (from scanning, should be working right now, er). Nowhere in it is expressed support for the idea that free movement should be terminated, or that Brexit is a good thing, unless he's said that elsewhere?

Howj Begg

Quote from: Talulah, really! on February 11, 2019, 05:32:55 PM
...oh noes!

I remember someone praising Starkey at the time on here, I do hope it wasn't biggy.

hummingofevil

https://twitter.com/brexit/status/1094155759749918720?s=21

"Corporate refugees". Fuck sake. I'm off out to batter some insects and speed up this whole fucking process. Cunts. Cunts everywhere.

bgmnts

Corporate refugees is a pretty funny term.

ToneLa

Quote from: hummingofevil on February 11, 2019, 06:08:15 PM
https://twitter.com/brexit/status/1094155759749918720?s=21

"Corporate refugees". Fuck sake. I'm off out to batter some insects and speed up this whole fucking process. Cunts. Cunts everywhere.

Spammed this up over the weekend here and I think we hammered out the following conclusion:

hummingofevil

Sorry. Missed that. Got mortal and lost in London. Was so pissed I even forgot to check CaB out every 20mins.

It's only funny in way that Bloomberg news is lost so far up its arse it's got seemingly no understanding of the basis of language being used to describe key aspects of the human condition. It's such a throw away use of a word that is one of the few left to allow us to even begin to empathise with what some of the world's most fucked over people are living with every moment of their waking lives but instead they co-opt the word to refer to a bunch of corporate types in search of optimum market conditions. Urgh.

ToneLa

Quote from: hummingofevil on February 11, 2019, 06:17:52 PM
Sorry. Missed that. Got mortal and lost in London. Was so pissed I even forgot to check CaB out every 20mins.

It's only funny in way that Bloomberg news is lost so far up its arse it's got seemingly no understanding of the basis of language being used to describe key aspects of the human condition. It's such a throw away use of a word that is one of the few left to allow us to even begin to empathise with what some of the world's most fucked over people are living with every moment of their waking lives but instead they co-opt the word to refer to a bunch of corporate types in search of optimum market conditions. Urgh.

Ahh you're going in a new anti-Bloomberg direction (I meant we just heard the news of this but that take is especially gauche). Understandably! I hear ya! Nothing is sacred. It's news news news. Whatever words work! Cynical as fuck innit. :/

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: hummingofevil on February 11, 2019, 06:08:15 PM
I'm off out to batter some insects and speed up this whole fucking process.

While I'm sure they'll be tasty, I think eating deep fried pizza will clog up your arteries quicker.

hummingofevil

Quote from: Johnny Yesno on February 11, 2019, 06:33:04 PM
While I'm sure they'll be tasty, I think eating deep fried pizza will clog up your arteries quicker.

"We're fucked. Brexit! Lorries stuck in Dover for months and traffic jams back to Paris. Empty supermarket shelves and food shortages. What we going to do? We'll be eating INSECTS next?"

*OPENS GUARDIAN*

"Mate..."

—-

Article on BBC saying the makers of Hula Hoops are worrying about there not being enough Hula Hoops. Didn't see them putting that on the fucking ballot paper.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Howj Begg on February 11, 2019, 05:52:32 PM
Ignoring btb's political classes guff (I mean, JC is a political class, ffs, he's been there for 35 years), that Richard Seymour article is a good analysis of the nationalist influence in politics and its mishandling and propaganda use by the media (from scanning, should be working right now, er). Nowhere in it is expressed support for the idea that free movement should be terminated, or that Brexit is a good thing, unless he's said that elsewhere?

He's a reluctant brexiter I think in that he thinks we should leave the EU but doesn't think the current conditions are ideal.

QuoteThe obvious question I would like to put to left Remainers is, what of the treaties of the European Union do you agree with? The answer would not be very extensive. Someone might say, "Well, the Schengen zone I agree with," but even there you have to qualify it by saying, "But it's a pity that it's tied to Fortress Europe." Someone might say they're in favor of the social chapter, but they would also have to say that it's a pity that the social chapter comes with neoliberal competition state aid law. And so on.

If you look at the treaties they're overwhelmingly restrictive in terms of what national governments can do with their budgets, with their industrial strategy. They're not really able to have an industrial strategy. They're required to maintain balanced budgets. That's austerity budgets for most of Europe.

As for reforming the European Union in a progressive direction, have a look at what happened to Syriza. There was a political party that was elected precisely to try this strategy of pursuing a humanitarian agenda. Essentially, it was a humanitarian bailout: "We're going to stop people from killing themselves and dying of starvation and suffering needlessly without medicine. We're going to have a bailout for our people rather than the bankers."

They used debt as an instrument with which to pummel Greece, to force Greece into privatizing most of its existing public sector industries, selling them off at fire sale prices, cutting pensions. This is the standard EU agenda.

Now, can the European Union be reformed in a progressive direction? I don't foreclose the possibility that some serious mass political struggle could result in a reformed European Union. I don't think it would become a progressive institution, but it could become less worse than it is. But we have to think seriously about the scale of disruption and rupture that would be required to make it happen.

QuoteIt's possible that defiance of this type could result in a weakening of the European Commission's position. But let's just be realistic about what we're up against. The European Commission has all the power here. It is an unelected civil service bureaucracy, and it runs things on the basis of a rule system, a code devised for Europe's rich, for Europe's investors, for Europe's corporations, and it's completely aloof from democratic decision-making.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/12/richard-seymour-interview-brexit-theresa-may

Uncle TechTip

Quote from: hummingofevil on February 11, 2019, 06:08:15 PM
https://twitter.com/brexit/status/1094155759749918720?s=21

"Corporate refugees". Fuck sake. I'm off out to batter some insects and speed up this whole fucking process. Cunts. Cunts everywhere.

One of the replies says, "250 gaps in the market for new companies then..." You see this kind of stark misunderstanding of the situation a lot, always from leave supporters, but it would be snobbish to point this out.

hummingofevil

Quote from: Uncle TechTip on February 11, 2019, 07:08:49 PM
One of the replies says, "250 gaps in the market for new companies then..." You see this kind of stark misunderstanding of the situation a lot, always from leave supporters, but it would be snobbish to point this out.

Punches oneself in one's mouth. Multiple teeth snapped and missing. Smiles broadly.

"What a superb opportunity for new teeth?"

#Brexit

hummingofevil

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 11, 2019, 06:45:19 PM
He's a reluctant brexiter I think in that he thinks we should leave the EU but doesn't think the current conditions are ideal.

This is because he doesn't want a massive, irreversible transfer power over to the loads of cunty Tories who have been running this country for the last, oh I don't know, fucking FOREVER!!!!

And before you say "oh but don't I mean the EU" ROFL what about devolved governments powers? Direct Westminster Tory power grab.

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/uk-government-publishes-list-24-devolved-powers-it-wants-keep-control-after-brexit



Uncle TechTip

Biggy, can you explain how leaving the EU will rid us of Tories and moderate centrists and career politicians and all of that because there's precious little evidence of this happening so far.

ToneLa

I asked him the other day and he went "ToneLa I am NOT repeating that again! I have said it before!"

I mean, the dude can spam a dozen or more posts a day but that one is not worth repeating!

I see it as the endgame, the absolutely cornerstone of the entire Leave philosophy, the entire bloody point - but, no, missed my chance to see it explained... I dinnae understand it. HOW do you make it better. What happen??

Paul Calf

I too would like to know the answer to this question.

Quote from: Paul Calf on February 11, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
And yet you have been consistently unable to explain how this might happen.

It's The Underpant Gnomes' Guide To Social Democratic Revolution

1. Alienate closest allies.
2. Appease the far right by doing everything they want.
3. ?????????
4. Socialism!

Please explain the mechanism by which this purge that only gets rid of the bad guys will work.

ToneLa

That's three requests in a row.

So any minute now he'll flounce into the thread banging on about Donald Tusk's salary

Replies From View

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 11, 2019, 04:13:55 PM

I'll read your full post later but it's evident this 'benefit' is not a thing that everyone regards in the same way, in fact many millions don't care at all about it, it's not a thing that is remotely part of their experience at all, and it's actually a bit arrogant for a minority to demand their own concerns are shared by everyone else as if they are universal.

Fucking dunce.

Do you deserve a kinder and more reasoned response?  Nope.  Just fucking dunce.


You spend every second of your waking day pumping out this shit.  I hope you wake up sooner rather than later to the fact that it has been a complete waste of your life.  Hopefully your employers will check your internet history one day, realise you've never done any actual work in your years there and push you into a situation that gets you out of your smug-zone.

greencalx


biggytitbo

Quote from: Uncle TechTip on February 11, 2019, 08:11:33 PM
Biggy, can you explain how leaving the EU will rid us of Tories and moderate centrists and career politicians and all of that because there's precious little evidence of this happening so far.


Because out political classes will no longer be able to hide behind the EU, either as something to blame or as a mechanism to pursue their vision of the world and their vested interests without having to get popular consent from the electorate .They will have to come up with an alternative future that they are actually responsible and accountable for what they do. It repatriates an immense amount of power siphoned off to a giant transnational bureaucracy where it is dispensed in an opaque way and puts it back in our hands where it actually belongs.

ToneLa

#2487
Edit: I can't be bothered, it's actually sad. Biggy has no grassroots understanding, no expertise. He reaps what he sows if he believes things are as shallow as this. Hollow buzzwords of zero substance, no methodology.

Every point begging the question HOW. Biggy, if this is as grassroots as you get, may your rude awakening not be as cruel as it seems right now

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 11, 2019, 10:51:09 PM
Because out political classes will no longer be able to hide behind the EU ... as something to blame

How will the UK being out of the EU stop them blaming the EU?

Flouncer

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 11, 2019, 10:51:09 PM

Because out political classes will no longer be able to hide behind the EU, either as something to blame or as a mechanism to pursue their vision of the world and their vested interests without having to get popular consent from the electorate .They will have to come up with an alternative future that they are actually responsible and accountable for what they do. It repatriates an immense amount of power siphoned off to a giant transnational bureaucracy where it is dispensed in an opaque way and puts it back in our hands where it actually belongs.

What a load of fucking bollocks. I don't know how you lot find the energy to argue with this pimple.