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May’s agreement
4 (4.6%)
No deal
12 (13.8%)
General election
9 (10.3%)
Cancel A50
44 (50.6%)
Vandalising my cock and balls
7 (8%)
Syndicating every boat I row
1 (1.1%)
Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up:  yum.
7 (8%)
Wearing a test tube over my knob and wanking the test tube with a tea cloth
3 (3.4%)

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Howj Begg

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2490 on: February 12, 2019, 12:19:20 AM »
It is a load of bollocks, yeah. Accelerationist cod-leftist hyperwaffle devoid of any tangible connection to lived reality. If a self-proclaimed leftist can't make any reference to human beings in their lives whose rights, freedoms, wages, prospects or work are going to be improved by their rhetorical vision, I don't trust them one iota. Biggy just wants to burn it all to the ground. I've never heard him mention how his life or anyone's lives will be tangibly improved by the chaos and anarchy he wants to see unleashed.

Anyway, looks more and more like his hero is going to deliver the outcome he wants:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-no-deal-brexit-fallback-plan_uk_5c617348e4b0910c63f30fc8?fbm&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

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“What worries me now is that it feels like something has changed,” says one MP. “It feels like she’s crossed a line now. She’s boxed herself so far in she’s lost any capacity to pivot, even though she might want to in her head, she’s stuck now.”
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ToneLa

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2491 on: February 12, 2019, 12:38:55 AM »
Yeah. That dogmatic shite Biggy posted on the last page doesn't bear thinking about. Wish it was even funny.


https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-no-deal-brexit-fallback-plan_uk_5c617348e4b0910c63f30fc8?fbm&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

Great article, thanks. Sort of chilling, though, in showing how utterly rudderless May is (if only she was Ruddless). She's a rabbit in headlights, trapped mentally and politically, and as a Labour voter I can only hope her party will get punished for their immense, arrogant hubris.

I've seen the school of thought her resilience should be admired... But she's so short termist, that's obstructive. What woes we have. What damage she will do. What is already done, already in motion, fated - the accounting absolutely scrupulous.

Indeed, to wilfully ignore the simple quotidian realities of No Deal is intellectually dishonest. I most despise this government's inability to prepare. It is an ever-present failing. No wonder they can't prepare for where they will be - they don't truly understand where they are at. Time to stockpile compassion... The politicians are the last ones we should worry about.
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« Reply #2492 on: February 12, 2019, 01:00:35 AM »
Great article, thanks. Sort of chilling, though, in showing how utterly rudderless May is (if only she was Ruddless). She's a rabbit in headlights, trapped mentally and politically, and as a Labour voter I can only hope they get punished for their immense, arrogant hubris.

I've seen the school of thought her resilience should be admired... But she's so short termist, that's obstructive. What woes we have. What damage she will do. What is already done, already in motion, the accounting absolutely scrupulous.

Indeed, to wilful ignore the simple quotidian realities of No Deal is intellectually dishonest. Time to stockpile compassion...

If she can ride out a few months she's in the clear.

If No Deal Brexit is not a complete disaster zone even if things are a bit shit she can claim gov preparations have been "fine with some teething problems".

If it goes to shit after that she can blame the EU for being vindictive or more obviously Corbyn's Labour as the party who blocked the deal that could have prevented the shit.

Even if it all goes to shit immediately on a 29th March no-deal Brexit, the number of resignations and in fighting in Labour will massively overshadow the likes of Soubry and Wollaston resigning from the Tories.

Think about the absolute worst thing that could happen with protests in Northern Ireland leading to violence not seen for 25 years. The second anything happens directed at Unionist or Police or whatever then PMQs will be May repeating the mantra that "Corbyn hearts the IRA".

We are so fucked. In many ways her BEST approach now is to gamble everything on no deal.

Its also worth mentioning the Labour centrists. Vote with May to at least have a deal which stops some of the above (and ONLY removes guarantees on workers rights, environmental protections, free movement, etc) but if they do this then they wont be able to blame Corbyn for THEIR Brexit so won't do it.

Fucked. All fucked.

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2493 on: February 12, 2019, 08:08:57 AM »
The only Tories who seemed to be at least be putting up a façade and pretending that May isn't complete and utter bobbins were Brexiteers like Bone (official worst person in the country, according to CaB) and Rees-Mogg who were gladly sucking her cock when it looked like she was going to deliver the corporate wasteland they desired. I get the impression that everyone in the Conservative party, aside from the members who are so old they qualify for two free bus passes and people who read the Daily Mail and think it states anything approaching the truth have known for years now that we've effectively had King Ralph in Number 10.

However the glee of George Osborne yukking up what a disaster this all this, particularly for her, is pretty sickening. Don't look too happy, twat. History is going to remember that most of this is all your fault, you cunt!

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2494 on: February 12, 2019, 08:26:41 AM »
Eurotunnel is suing the government over its decision to charter firms to run extra ferries if a no-deal Brexit happens: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47206303

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2495 on: February 12, 2019, 08:28:05 AM »
Eurotunnel is suing the government over its decision to charter firms to run extra ferries if a no-deal Brexit happens: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47206303

I’d love it if things like this had to come out of the government’s own pocket money.

ToneLa

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2496 on: February 12, 2019, 10:21:44 AM »
BRICK UP THE EUROTUNNEL GOVERNMENT

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2497 on: February 12, 2019, 10:54:52 AM »
Another Alan Patridge sketch recreated in real life by Richard Madely - https://twitter.com/jackseale/status/1095236387895431168


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« Reply #2498 on: February 12, 2019, 11:00:36 AM »
Oh, Richard...

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« Reply #2499 on: February 12, 2019, 11:10:09 AM »
Oh, Richard...

If I 'm being fair, this was one of my own first thoughts when I first saw images of Dr. Brexit Brainbox ( Showing Her Other Box ) in the nip ( " who wrote it ? ", not " Oh Richard ". " Oh Richard " would have been a strange thing to think upon seeing her ).

Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2500 on: February 12, 2019, 01:03:53 PM »
If you enjoy your hair and your forehead I would suggest you avoid Theresa May’s words from the last 10mins in Parliament.

It’s basucally everything I wrote last night. Sticking blame on Labour for No Deal over and over again. They in final stages now. Get exactly what they want and blame Labour for it.

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2501 on: February 12, 2019, 01:04:46 PM »
If you enjoy your hair and your forehead I would suggest you avoid Theresa May’s words from the last 10mins in Parliament.

It’s basucally everything I wrote last night. Sticking blame on Labour for No Deal over and over again. They in final stages now. Get exactly what they want and blame Labour for it.

I enjoy your posts not because I particularly enjoy the crushing realisation of depressive reality hitting home, but they basically save time and I can process things a day early!

Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2502 on: February 12, 2019, 01:10:27 PM »
If you enjoy your hair and your forehead I would suggest you avoid Theresa May’s words from the last 10mins in Parliament.

It’s basucally everything I wrote last night. Sticking blame on Labour for No Deal over and over again. They in final stages now. Get exactly what they want and blame Labour for it.

It does seem from her speech that WTOnodealHARDBREXITcrashout is a very real possibility.

Corbyn was useless

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« Reply #2503 on: February 12, 2019, 02:18:47 PM »
If Thatcher was the cunt of ideology and Cameron was the cunt of a lack of one, then May is certainly the cunt of pure snidey fucking tone and presentation. I hate her.

Given Churchill's recent cancelling, old dead Maggie is struggling to make the podium of top Tory PM cunts. Funny how the world turns eh? Chuck in a Ted Heath personal life and she's looking for DQs to even make the Champions League spots.

Europa League for her it is.

Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2504 on: February 12, 2019, 02:39:09 PM »
What a load of fucking bollocks. I don't know how you lot find the energy to argue with this pimple.
Some might describe him as a Nozzle.

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2505 on: February 12, 2019, 02:45:14 PM »
Some might describe him as a Nozzle.

Indeed. buggy, you're an absolute nozzle.

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2506 on: February 12, 2019, 03:08:07 PM »
It does seem from her speech that WTOnodealHARDBREXITcrashout is a very real possibility.

Corbyn was useless


I imagine the idea now is to dress up some minor non binding concession as the big change, have another vote, probably lose it aswell and then get on with extending/cancelling article 50 and whatever mechanism it is the end up using to stop it all.

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2507 on: February 12, 2019, 03:15:25 PM »
It does seem from her speech that WTOnodealHARDBREXITcrashout is a very real possibility.

Corbyn was useless

Yes, all of this is undoubtedly Corbyn's fault and he's fucking irresponsible for not only putting the Country in this situation but also, not having a plan of how to sort it or simply running things, like Britain, better.  Of everyone involved, Corbyn, I think you'll find, deserves the full blame for the whole thing, regardless of how you voted.

What an utter useless jam-loving bastard.

Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2508 on: February 12, 2019, 03:20:08 PM »

I imagine the idea now is to dress up some minor non binding concession as the big change, have another vote, definitely lose it as well on purpose and blame it on Corbyn forever whilst Cameron high-fives Boris as job done over the nearest available porcine resemblance.


FTFY

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2509 on: February 12, 2019, 03:23:52 PM »
Dr. Trouser cancelled. Is that how it works?

Buelligan

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2510 on: February 12, 2019, 03:32:55 PM »
I don't know about this new cancelling thing, it's not something I'm awfully keen on but then, I don't know what it is, so how could I be?

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2511 on: February 12, 2019, 03:38:33 PM »
This expands a lot on that article you all enjoyed yesterday about how the EU represents the kind of internationalism that will always ultimately favour capital over progressive values - https://www.brexitblog-rosalux.eu/2019/02/12/their-internationalism-and-ours/

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While the political economy of the EU enshrines the transnational interests of capital, the ideology of liberal cosmopolitanism provides a moral veneer for the project. By waving the flag of free movement of people (a freedom that has always been partial, and subject to the interests of capital), and extolling the virtues of a post-national constellation, this truncated internationalism naturalises and valorises the EU project and the internationalisation of capital.

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The illusion that the left can, through sheer will, capture the levers of power within the EU and use these to transform Europe into a more social space is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the EU, but also on what is required to build genuine internationalism.  Breaking with the system that constitutionalises and privileges the interests of capital does not sound the death-knell for internationalism, rather it can provide the impetus for rebuilding genuine, socialist internationalism. The nation-state has not been swept from the stage of history, rather it is the principal site for socialists today to launch a counter-offensive against the internationalism of capital.

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There is a fundamental difference between the truncated liberal cosmopolitanism of the EU, and the tradition of socialist internationalism. It is a fundamental error for anyone on the left to overlook this difference, or to conflate the two. In the context of the ongoing crises of capitalism it is only the internationalism of the working class that can offer real solutions to declining real wages and living standards, and to the rise of the right. Attempting to yoke anti-racist and pro-migrant politics to a defence of the institutions and political forces that were central to producing the current crises would be a tactical dead end for the left and would surrender crucial terrain to the right. In the present conjuncture the threats posed by the rising far right and the ongoing crises of capital can only be confronted by building new forms of internationalism, grounded in the struggles of working people at the national level.

No doubt this is all complete and utter FUCKING SHIT that needs smashing into bits with a hammer.

Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2512 on: February 12, 2019, 03:58:45 PM »
One step nearer to no deal Biggy and the misery it'll bring. Bet you and your accountants are beaming.

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2513 on: February 12, 2019, 04:02:19 PM »
Saw a programme about the making of the tunnel last night.  The joy of seeing England and France finally reaching their breakthrough point, reaching through and shaking hands

Happier times...

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« Reply #2514 on: February 12, 2019, 04:04:42 PM »
Tsk. That’s not proper internationalism. Listen to Brother Titbo, Staunch Brother Trade Unionist*


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« Reply #2515 on: February 12, 2019, 04:17:30 PM »
Yes, all of this is undoubtedly Corbyn's fault and he's fucking irresponsible for not only putting the Country in this situation but also, not having a plan of how to sort it or simply running things, like Britain, better.  Of everyone involved, Corbyn, I think you'll find, deserves the full blame for the whole thing, regardless of how you voted.

What an utter useless jam-loving bastard.

Just to be clear, I was suggesting that his performance in the House was particularly rubbish given the massive cock up from the benches opposite - he appeared to read (somewhat awkwardly) a prepared rant worthy of a shop steward, rather than present himself as a leader in waiting.

I await my cancellation

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« Reply #2516 on: February 12, 2019, 04:26:24 PM »
Didn't take it as you blaming Corbyn for this mess, but what's wrong with shop stewards? Some are very eloquent (although not this one).

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2517 on: February 12, 2019, 04:35:51 PM »
Just to be clear, I was suggesting that his performance in the House was particularly rubbish given the massive cock up from the benches opposite - he appeared to read (somewhat awkwardly) a prepared rant worthy of a shop steward, rather than present himself as a leader in waiting.

I await my cancellation

As I said, I'm not sure what cancellation is but the measured tone of your remarks about shop stewards indicates to me that you'd probably be happier cancelling them (whatever that means). 

Out of interest, who do you see as an example at the moment of someone, presumably someone who does not rant like a shop steward, conducting themselves like a leader in waiting?


Waiting for ages and then whole load of cancellations come along at once

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« Reply #2518 on: February 12, 2019, 04:42:56 PM »
Didn't take it as you blaming Corbyn for this mess, but what's wrong with shop stewards? Some are very eloquent (although not this one).

Nothing is wrong with shop stewards - but they have a time and a place to be effective. I've worked with many (including members of german Works Councils) who are fantastic at their job and have fought hard for workers rights. I just thought that given he knew what was coming that he could have been better at being the voice of reason

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Re: BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH
« Reply #2519 on: February 12, 2019, 04:43:27 PM »
Just to be clear, I was suggesting that his performance in the House was particularly rubbish given the massive cock up from the benches opposite - he appeared to read (somewhat awkwardly) a prepared rant worthy of a shop steward, rather than present himself as a leader in waiting.

I await my cancellation


His first gag was a belter though. I don't think Corbyn is that effective when he goes ranty and it doesn't play well when it's clipped up which is mostly what this is for these days. Dont know if you've noticed but they're both really struggling to speak clearly recently, constantly stumbling over their words. You'd think considering this is basically the exact same exchange they've had the last half dozen times they'd have it nailed by now.