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BREXIT GOES BACK AND FIFTH

Started by Replies From View, January 21, 2019, 10:15:18 AM

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biggytitbo

It'd be easier to accept that argument if brexit wasn't already used as an easy excuse by company bosses for either their own failure or tough decisions they'd get the blame for. Honda could have done that but they didnt, what reason do they have for lying? That their actual reasons also appear to be true should count too.


But you can have a go at me all you like, you're 100% guilty of everything you're accusing me of here, if he'd said it was brexit you'd have been all over it - there'd have been no doubt in your mind that it was 100% true and not an excuse then.

Dr Trouser

Quote from: Replies From View on February 19, 2019, 09:19:22 AM
I didn't mean it like that.  I meant it in his capacity as voice-piece for a global corporation.  Like when a representative for Big Tobacco makes any announcement you can choose to believe them or take what they say with a pinch of salt.

If this Honda representative had blamed this situation on Brexit, biggy wouldn't have been pasting their words into this thread with such a calm acceptance of Truth.  That's perhaps all I should have said on this.

I guess so. I;m very sceptical when Tobacco/Pharma say anything, but then they're pedalling things that we need to buy or are addicted to.

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Quote from: biggytitbo on February 19, 2019, 09:25:09 AM
It'd be easier to accept that argument if brexit wasn't already used as an easy excuse by company bosses for either their own failure or tough decisions they'd get the blame for. Honda could have done that but they didnt, what reason do they have for lying? That their actual reasons also appear to be true should count too.

No biggy - you pasted what he said as Truth with "he's the Vice President of Honda" as your sole reason for doing so.  It's laziness that you'd criticise if anyone else did it, not least because you know you wouldn't be trusting him if he'd outright given "Brexit" as the reason.  You know this.


Quote from: biggytitbo on February 19, 2019, 09:25:09 AM
But you can have a go at me all you like, you're 100% guilty of everything you're accusing me of here, if he'd said it was brexit you'd have been all over it - there'd have been no doubt in your mind that it was 100% true and not an excuse then.

You are spinning here.  The hypocrisy is your own.

And as I said on the previous page it's more amusing than anything, as blind belief in a corporation's public statement doesn't sit at all well with your new "I'm the biggest socialist here, me" self-image, but you seem to have not noticed.

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 19, 2019, 09:25:09 AM
It'd be easier to accept that argument if brexit wasn't already used as an easy excuse by company bosses for either their own failure or tough decisions they'd get the blame for. Honda could have done that but they didnt, what reason do they have for lying?

Quote from: Huxleys Babkins on February 19, 2019, 09:20:30 AMThe primary demographic that buys Honda cars in the UK is the precise same demographic that voted overwhelmingly to leave. The same demographic that goes apoplectic the moment you start to question the wisdom of their nationalist shit-fit.

hummingofevil

Catching up with this Honda stuff. Shocking job loses first of all. A purge one might say.

Secondly, it seems the standard Brexiter response is that it's the EU-Japan free trade deal to blame and not Brexit (moving production to Japan will ultimately save 10% tarif on EU compared to manufacturing in UK - am I right?)

Which begs the even bigger question. Which genius in our government was responsible for negotiating an FTA with Japan as part of the EU to the advantage of UK and then withdrew us from this same deal putting us at deeper disadvantage than before? It's got Dr Fox hubris written all over it.

What happens when you give Tories a mandate I suppose.

Jittlebags

QuoteSecondly, it seems the standard Brexiter response is that it's the EU-Japan free trade deal to blame

I imagine they're already cooking up a non-Brexit excuse for when Ford and the Mini piss off.

hummingofevil

Quote from: Jittlebags on February 19, 2019, 10:20:34 AM
I imagine they're already cooking up a non-Brexit excuse for when Ford and the Mini piss off.

I think this is actually worse than that. These negotiations take years so when did they start?  What was UK Governments specific role in them?

I've always thought we had a particularly good relationship with the Japanese but this looks more and more like we've been simultaneously negotiating contradictory positions in relation to sustainability of UK as a manufacturing base for Japanese goods which BOTH have a detrimental effect on UK workers.

Are there any none car Japanese UK  businesses we can compare to to factor out the diesel/global conditions theory?


biggytitbo

Quote from: hummingofevil on February 19, 2019, 10:04:33 AM
Catching up with this Honda stuff. Shocking job loses first of all. A purge one might say.

Secondly, it seems the standard Brexiter response is that it's the EU-Japan free trade deal to blame and not Brexit (moving production to Japan will ultimately save 10% tarif on EU compared to manufacturing in UK - am I right?)

Which begs the even bigger question. Which genius in our government was responsible for negotiating an FTA with Japan as part of the EU to the advantage of UK and then withdrew us from this same deal putting us at deeper disadvantage than before? It's got Dr Fox hubris written all over it.

What happens when you give Tories a mandate I suppose.


Did any prominent remainers, like say former business and trade secretary Vince Cable, have any issues with the EU-Japan trade deal that was in the works for years and always gave Japanese companies less incentive to be based in the EU? I mean, none of these car losses so far have been to other EU countries have they, they've been japanese companies repatriating production back to Japan.

Paul Calf

Quote from: biggytitbo on February 19, 2019, 09:25:09 AM
It'd be easier to accept that argument if brexit wasn't already used as an easy excuse by company bosses for either their own failure or tough decisions they'd get the blame for.

Would that still be the case if Brexit weren't happening? I thought Brexit was going to usher in a new era of transparency? What you're saying now seems to be that it isn't going to do that at all.


ToneLa