Charity stream hosted to spite transphobic tosser Graham Linehan [split topic]

[phantom_power]

I saw some of our Terf chums complaining that Adam Buxton used 'cis' in RHLSP, and is therefore #peaktranscancelled

It's funny how these people are so interested in scientific definitions (human adult female!) and yet get sand up their holes about another scientific term (cis being the opposite of trans).

[worldsgreatestsinner]

Michael Legge has been the latest victim of a pile on attack by Linehan's fans.

[phantom_power]

I saw that. It is funny how the list of women he was given links to were the same faces that appear on Glinner's feed all the time and are all "hilarious, proud, fierce, deeply intelligent" women, who all happen to share the same philosophy and spout the same cultish buzzwords like "sex-based rights", "adult human female" and "silencing women".

I saw one of them using Jessica Yanev as an example of the patriarchy and how it can even force you to touch someone's balls. Someone else piped up about how men aren't happy enough with their own rights and spaces that they have to barge into women's as well, as if the whole thing is just a big plot by "The Patriarchy". I am pretty sure the patriarchy gives as little of a shit about trans rights as it does women's rights, if not less.

With this Yanev thing, surely it is just a spurious law suit that will go nowhere rather than a precedent that will lead to women being forced to shave any man's balls who puts on a frock or wears some lipstick?

[worldsgreatestsinner]

Yeah, and they've twisted a comment he made about how the discussion shouldn't be led by men (Meaning Linehan) into him ignoring women. How empty must someone's life be if they're searching Twitter for any negative mentions of Linehan to lead a pile on? As for Yanev, I'd say there's a middle ground here where you're allowed to think Jessica Yanev is a vile cunt and a chancer and also that Jessica Yanev in no way represents trans people.

[mippy]

But of course Yaniv has been weaponised as a reason as to why trans rights are a bad thing. It's the 'all men are rapists' radfem thing gone stellar. I think lots of individuals are vile cunts, but I try not to judge the group to which they belong as the same.

I saw someone referring to a 'lesbian genocide' on that LEgge thread. And people saying they don't want someone 'likely bigger or stronger and with a penis' in their changing room. I'm likely bigger or stronger than them, but I don't have a winky, so I'm fine? I mean, I get changed at the same time as a bunch of teenage girls when I go swimming, but apparently this would be bad if I had different things in my underwear.

[mippy]

I saw that. It is funny how the list of women he was given links to were the same faces that appear on Glinner's feed all the time and are all "hilarious, proud, fierce, deeply intelligent" women, who all happen to share the same philosophy and spout the same cultish buzzwords like "sex-based rights", "adult human female" and "silencing women".

One of those women is someone who was absolutely vile to me on a newspaper forum back in the day. As in, she actually told me to kill myself when I was talking about a low point I was experiencing. It really boils my piss to see her venerated by people who should know better.

[phantom_power]

How does these delicate flowers react when they find out that unisex toilets have been commonplace on the continent for decades?

[worldsgreatestsinner]

The thing I have sympathy for is there are going to be women who have gone through a trauma like rape and now the idea of being in an intimate space with a male body triggers them and they're stricken with fear at the idea. It isn't based in a fear of trans people, it's a reaction to their own trauma and I think everybody has to have empathy with that. I don't know what the solution to that is, how to be equally fair to trans people and to people who need more understanding because of life events. I think women have to be the ones to sort it out and to do that both sides of this need to talk calmly and that can't be done on Twitter where people like Linehan are going to manipulate things.

[phantom_power]

The thing with that though is it is the anti-trans people who are drumming up and bringing out that fear. The chances are these women have been sharing bathrooms with trans women for years without issue

[worldsgreatestsinner]

Oh yeah, their situation is being completely manipulated at the moment. People like Linehan don't actually care about these women on any real level, they are just rocks he can throw.

[canadagoose]

What really boils my piss about Linehan and co is that they never seem to offer any actual solutions to their "reasonable concerns". It's all endless hand-wringing, mentioning examples of bad trans women, changing the subject so that they've got an excuse to say their target "isn't listening to women", "doesn't care about women", "is a misogynist" and then they do a pile-on. Ask yourself. What do these people actually want, and crucially, how do they plan to do it? If you can get a straight answer from any of these "gender criticals", I'll be very impressed. "Repealing x law would be a start" is a deflection and I'll bet it's as far as they go.

[bgmnts]

Is being a bigot whilst claiming to do so to defend another group worse than being an out and out bigot?

[phantom_power]

There is also the fact that this "massive, damaging, dangerous, scarewords!!!" change to the rules doesn't really change much in any real sense anyway, for non trans people at least. It makes trans people's lives a bit easier but doesn't really affect anyone else. Can't people change their legally identified sex already? Doesn't this law just remove some of the obstacles that make it harder for them?

Jessica Yanev would be a sexual predator regardless of any real or pretend transition. Trans women can use women's bathrooms without much bother I would imagine as the time spent in the genuinely shared bit is pretty small.

There is also the vague terminology like "hard-fought sex based rights". I still don't know what that means and how hard they were fought for. Did women really have to fight to have their own toilets?

[Cuellar]

Is being a bigot whilst claiming to do so to defend another group worse than being an out and out bigot?

They always claim they're doing it to defend another group: the Straights, the Whites, the English, the Christians, the Children, the Straight White English Christian Children.

[Mister Six]

The worst kind of children.

[Zetetic]

There is also the vague terminology like "hard-fought sex based rights". I still don't know what that means and how hard they were fought for.

The right not be discriminated against - for example, in terms of access to employment, or pay - in virtue of your sex, for a start.

This is a catchphrase mostly because the Equality Act 2010 refers to "sex" ( and not "gender", say). This, I think, however, misreads the use of "sex" in law and ignores that mostly you can't disentangle sex-as-perceived and gender anyway.

(A more interesting and nuanced argument, might look at reproductive labour as an essentially biologically-female issue that has workplace discrimination implications. In practice though, that's on a hiding to nothing and of course parental-labour isn't an essentially biologically-sex-linked factor - and we recognise this, most obviously with paternity leave.)

[Povidone]

Popping in to say that this thread has just caused me to ask the bus driver for an 'adult human single'. Fucking cheers Glinner.

£1.70 if anyone's interested.

[Ferris]

Popping in to say that this thread has just caused me to ask the bus driver for an 'adult human single'. Fucking cheers Glinner.

£1.70 if anyone's interested.

Are you getting a bus to 2006*?

_{*because that seems quite reasonable, doesn't it? Or does it? Shit I don't know}

[Bronzy]

Go on love, wax me bollocks

[bgmnts]

Are you getting a bus to 2006*?

_{*because that seems quite reasonable, doesn't it? Or does it? Shit I don't know}

No word of a lie a single from my village to town centre, probably a 10 minute walk, a 3 minute bus ride, used to be around 50p in 2006. It's now £1.50 for a single or £2.60 for a return.

Tripled in price in around 10 years. Insanity.

[Bronzy]

When I was young

I had no sense

I waxed a man for 50 pence

[phantom_power]

The right not be discriminated against - for example, in terms of access to employment, or pay - in virtue of your sex, for a start.

This is a catchphrase mostly because the Equality Act 2010 refers to "sex" ( and not "gender", say). This, I think, however, misreads the use of "sex" in law and ignores that mostly you can't disentangle sex-as-perceived and gender anyway.

(A more interesting and nuanced argument, might look at reproductive labour as an essentially biologically-female issue that has workplace discrimination implications. In practice though, that's on a hiding to nothing and of course parental-labour isn't an essentially biologically-sex-linked factor - and we recognise this, most obviously with paternity leave.)

To clarify I meant what are those rights in regard to being taken away by trans women?

[idunnosomename]

hes not even trying to vary the whole shtick now. just week on war on women. trans rights activists will destroy JL's life.

https://glinner.co.uk/a-week-in-the-war-on-women-2/

didnt read

[St_Eddie]

When I was young

I had no sense

I waxed a man for 50 pence

"...when I was seventeen."

[St_Eddie]

When I was young

I had no sense

I waxed a man for 50 pence

And all the birds in the trees,

Well they'd be singing so happily,

Oh joyfully, oh playfully, watching me.

[Mister Six]

Inspired by a discussion on the comics thread, I had a look around for some webcomics that I used to read, ooh fuck me, 20 years ago, to see if they're still running.

One of them - a rather shit one, but still - is, and appears to have gone full Glinner, by the looks of things. The site for Sinfest now has "a new forum for people who like the message of my comic. ... The new forum will be anti-pornography, anti-prostitution", and a random jump into the archives turned up a complaint about "The War On Women".

I find this incredibly creepy and insidious. The comic is an irrelevance that I'm sure almost nobody reads, but the tendrils of transphobia are clearly extending all over the place. And "gender critical feminism" is the veil of acceptability it needs to keep spreading. I was under the naive impression that things were getting rapidly better for transpeople but this new wave of old feminism has me highly concerned.

[zomgmouse]

Oh no, I remember reading and quite liking Sinfest. Shame it's gone this way.

[Mister Six]

Some of the colour strips are actually quite beautiful. Shame that talent isn't being used for good.

[idunnosomename]

haha sinfest

funnily enough i looked at a random archive strip to remind myself why i had that reaction and found this wonderful pro-feminist message

https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2001-02-14

[zomgmouse]

haha sinfest

funnily enough i looked at a random archive strip to remind myself why i had that reaction and found this wonderful pro-feminist message

https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2001-02-14

To be fair I think a lot of the politics were a bit misguided at the start but also it was trying to work on an ironic level, and then managed to find a legitimate feminist angle for a lot of its comics. It's just a pity that's now regressed into a weird radfemmy swamp.