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Charity stream hosted to spite transphobic tosser Graham Linehan [split topic]

Started by worldsgreatestsinner, January 20, 2019, 01:49:23 PM

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samadriel

Quote from: rm2kmaster on January 22, 2019, 12:53:06 PM
If I can wind one person up (thanks madhair60) I can leave the topic happy.
Look at that, he thinks he's the star. How precious.

Barry Admin




checkoutgirl

Quote from: Moribunderast on January 21, 2019, 08:43:59 AM
I mostly ignore him now but having just had a look at his Twitter, I just feel SAD for the man. It must be fucking exhausting to yammer on obsessively about the one topic day after day. He must be miserable. It's just a shame he wants to push his misery outwards and try to inflict it on anyone who reads his muck.

Yeah he must sometimes wonder to himself how he got into this mess. He probably doesn't even care that much about gender politics. It just got out of hand.

What is this thing everyone is saying that's so great? Is it some sort of online broadcast or something?

phantom_power

How the fuck can you read that chat stream going by so fast on that video of the twitch session?

Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 22, 2019, 02:25:11 PM
What is this thing everyone is saying that's so great? Is it some sort of online broadcast or something?
Yes, a stream on the website 'Twitch', HBomberguy streamed himself playing donkey Kong 64 to 100% completion over the course of about 3 days and raised more than $250,000 for the Mermaids charity. People were able to join in and chat to him while he was doing so, and he had some notable guests join the broadcast

checkoutgirl

Quote from: alan nagsworth on January 22, 2019, 11:17:04 AM
Nope, worse: it was the episode where whatshisname played by Matt Berry starts seeing a woman and falls for her, until she reveals she used to be a man and he's appalled and they have a big manly fist fight. So like imagine the repellance of the gay theatre episode but worse. Dreadful shit.

I can't comment on that episode because I haven't seen it, but didn't Coogan do something similar in plot with Minnie Driver in KMKYWAP? Was it the idea of getting pissed off with lusting after a male to female trans, or was it how it was written? I think something similar was also in Trainspotting. Actually Bangkok Chickboys in I'm Alan Partridge might also be similar. Maybe that's just shame about porn rather than the actual content?

Funcrusher


checkoutgirl

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on January 22, 2019, 02:31:49 PM
Yes, a stream on the website 'Twitch', HBomberguy streamed himself playing donkey Kong 64 to 100% completion over the course of about 3 days and raised more than $250,000 for the Mermaids charity. People were able to join in and chat to him while he was doing so, and he had some notable guests join the broadcast

Ah, okay, thanks. That sounds like a very clever way to counter Linehan. I echo the sentiments that he's clearly mentally ill at the moment. And that is a bit sad. I hope he gets his act together and puts the keyboard down. Tweeting all night is not healthy no matter what you're tweeting. It seems like he really is stuck in a unwinnable battle but can't bring himself to back down. I wonder are his family worried, they must see him glued to the computer for hours at a time. "No I can't come to bed, someone is wrong on the internet."

alan nagsworth

Quote from: Weeping Prophet on January 22, 2019, 12:57:36 PM
That man's going to have to see Donkey Kong every day for the rest of his life.

In fairness, if it were the SNES DK trilogy, that would be fucking great.

DrGreggles

Quote from: Monsieur Verdoux on January 22, 2019, 02:31:49 PM
Yes, a stream on the website 'Twitch', HBomberguy streamed himself playing donkey Kong 64 to 100% completion over the course of about 3 days and raised more than $250,000 for the Mermaids charity. People were able to join in and chat to him while he was doing so, and he had some notable guests join the broadcast

Well done Mr Bomberguy.

phantom_power

Quote from: checkoutgirl on January 22, 2019, 02:38:03 PM
I can't comment on that episode because I haven't seen it, but didn't Coogan do something similar in plot with Minnie Driver in KMKYWAP? Was it the idea of getting pissed off with lusting after a male to female trans, or was it how it was written? I think something similar was also in Trainspotting. Actually Bangkok Chickboys in I'm Alan Partridge might also be similar. Maybe that's just shame about porn rather than the actual content?

To be fair to the KMKYWAP one it was all about his discomfort rather than her being transgender. There were no "bloke in a dress" type laughs to be had and she was pretty much presented as a woman throughout if I remember right

Blumf

Quote from: Weeping Prophet on January 22, 2019, 12:57:36 PM
That man's going to have to see Donkey Kong every day for the rest of his life.

One day, a few years from now, Linehan meets some random bloke down the pub, big fan of his stuff, loves Father Ted, Black Books, The IT Crowd, the whole lot of it. They get chatting, getting on like a house on fire, regularly meeting up for a pint. Weeks pass, and one day the bloke say "Hey, do you mind coming back to my place, sign some of my DVDs? Got a nice bottle of wine we can crack open", "Sure" says Graham. It's a nice place, fairly neat, all the DVDs on shelves by the TV, he signs the Father Ted disks, and they settle in to the wine chatting about whatever. Then, in the corner of Graham's eye, he spots on a shelf in the far corner of the room, the blokes old Nintendo 64, gathering dust, game boxes next to it, usual stuff; Mario 64, F-Zero X, Goldeneye, and... Donkey Kong 64...


thraxx


Haven't Mermaids got enough problems with over fishing and whatnot, or is the people from the film Mermaids what is doing this?

No amount of plastic surgery is going to make you look like a mermaid anyway and even prosthetic gills won't help you breath underwater this is bollocks mate you go ahead our Graham.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

I wonder what Nintendo think about it all. They're notoriously opposed to people downloading ROMs of their games and here is someone getting loads of attention for playing a pirated copy of Donkey Kong 64. That's before you even get into all the controversy. I imagine there is a large group of lawyers and PR consultants somewhere, working up a lot of billable hours over the whole thing.

Mango Chimes

Very sympathetic interview: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/graham-linehan-trans-activists-don-t-realise-the-damage-they-do-1.3765979

I agree with pretty much (pretty much) everything he says there. It's everything unsaid that's the issue. And, you know, his actual behaviour. It is, for example, great to be against women getting harassed online, but you do undercut that position when you lead a pile-on of a woman advertising a period poverty charity, or point your followers out of nowhere at a new mum because she politely questioned your conduct several days (weeks?) earlier.

Gender non-conforming kids shouldn't be told they're in the wrong body. But is anyone with power and influence actually doing that? And if so, is the best way to prevent that to be a massive prick on social media and conflate them with people who want to change the admin processes of the GRA and who like gender-neutral toilets?

I'd love to hear him talk about how he's in support of trans people, because yes he's Twitter friends with some but they only seem to get referenced when arguing against other people. Which gives the impression that he supports them in the same way the BNP or UKIP or whoever it was would support that Sikh bloke by putting him on TV to complain about muslims. In what way does he celebrate their transness, aside from using them in arguments against other trans people?

Whilst we wait for Graham to calmly address these points:

bigfatheart

I've checked his Twitter twice over the past few days to see where he's at with it all. One time he was approvingly retweeting a woman who had told him that he was in the right because he was a man who was listening to women. The other time was when he was referring to a trans-inclusive feminist group as traitors.

He'll listen to women, but only when they're telling him what he wants to hear.

checkoutgirl

Quote from: phantom_power on January 22, 2019, 03:13:35 PM
To be fair to the KMKYWAP one it was all about his discomfort rather than her being transgender. There were no "bloke in a dress" type laughs to be had and she was pretty much presented as a woman throughout if I remember right

I didn't see the IT Crowd episode so probably shouldn't have compared them.

Mango Chimes

The IT Crowd episode ends with Matt Berry splitting up with a trans woman when he finds out she's trans (having previously thought she said she was 'from Iran' rather than 'used to be a man' or some fucking shite), and then they have a big choreographed fight. Which, depending on your point of view, is funny because she's having a big manly fight with a man lol, or it's a bit insensitive what with trans women being at heightened risk of violence.

I don't really think how it's written is the major issue in itself, though – it's a bit rough, but it was a one-off. The difference is that whilst Berry, Coogan, Iannucci, Baynham, Shearsmith, Pemberton, Gatiss, Dyson, etc. etc. have gone on to make lots of notable other work after their translol material, Linehan has dedicated his life to wanking on about trans women on Twitter.

ajsmith2

Here's that sensitively handled climactic fight for anyone unfamilar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biGgiBO0uPM

The bit where she's pleading to be accepted as a woman is just fucking tragic. It could be straight melodrama. I don't understand on what level that was intended to be received as humourous. Lovely final shot of her lying broken in a bloody pool of smashed glass at 2.16 too.

I've seen it positied on here before that Lineham's current stance derives entirely from responding to negative criticism of this episode, and choosing that hill to die on rather than accept he wrote one poorly handled comedy storyline about a trans character (as did many other people) back in the 00s when general ignorance about trans issues was much higher. Unfortunately as ridiculous as it should seem I can believe that this is the case. Or are there any other motivations that led him to his current crusade?

Twed

Quote from: ajsmith2 on January 22, 2019, 04:52:49 PM
The bit where she's pleading to be accepted as a woman is just fucking tragic. It could be straight melodrama.
Ah, yep. That's what gets to me. It's written by somebody who understands the character's pain but hates her for it. Far worse than ignorance.

jobotic

The one in which we all laugh at Heather from Eastenders because she's big and fat and hairy is nice too, if I might jump on the bandwagon of wokeness and hitch a ride to the Olympics.

PlanktonSideburns

Quote from: rm2kmaster on January 22, 2019, 12:53:06 PM
If I can wind one person up (thanks madhair60) I can leave the topic happy.

Absolute legend

Madhair must be gutted

Quote from: ajsmith2 on January 22, 2019, 04:52:49 PM
Here's that sensitively handled climactic fight for anyone unfamilar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biGgiBO0uPM

The bit where she's pleading to be accepted as a woman is just fucking tragic. It could be straight melodrama. I don't understand on what level that was intended to be received as humourous. Lovely final shot of her lying broken in a bloody pool of smashed glass at 2.16 too.

I've seen it positied on here before that Lineham's current stance derives entirely from responding to negative criticism of this episode, and choosing that hill to die on rather than accept he wrote one poorly handled comedy storyline about a trans character (as did many other people) back in the 00s when general ignorance about trans issues was much higher. Unfortunately as ridiculous as it should seem I can believe that this is the case. Or are there any other motivations that led him to his current crusade?

I can believe it. Gervais wrote Derek rather than apologise to Richard Herring.

Thursday

Quote from: king_tubby on January 22, 2019, 02:00:32 PM
Heh, all about Gamergate apparently. Hadley must have had a word.

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2019/jan/22/how-a-57-hour-donkey-kong-twitch-stream-struck-a-blow-against-gamergate

I think it was more that it showed a completely different side of "gamer culture"

Obviously Harris was very anti-GG, and yes glinner was too, which is why the view he's taken here is so odd. GG wasn't specifically anti-trans, but recently for instance, there's been more instances of games sites commissioning articles from trans people talking about games through the lens of being trans (and GG figureheads criticising this)

Funcrusher

Quote from: Mango Chimes on January 22, 2019, 03:36:26 PM
Very sympathetic interview: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/graham-linehan-trans-activists-don-t-realise-the-damage-they-do-1.3765979

I agree with pretty much (pretty much) everything he says there.

That's a bit of a bold statement, even if qualified by

Quote from: Mango Chimes on January 22, 2019, 03:36:26 PM
It's everything unsaid that's the issue. And, you know, his actual behaviour.

jamiefairlie

Quote from: Mango Chimes on January 22, 2019, 03:36:26 PM

Gender non-conforming kids shouldn't be told they're in the wrong body. But is anyone with power and influence actually doing that?

Susie Green, the CEO of Mermaids took her 16-year-old to Thailand to have sexual restructuring surgery done (castration basically). A major plank in trans-activism ideology is that childhood is the best place to address the problem as then you are doing it pre-puberty and avoid all the trauma that brings for those individuals.

Jockice

There's just been an item about this on Look North. But Linehan wasn't mentioned at all. He's been written out of history.