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biggytitbo

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US coup in Venezuela
« on: January 23, 2019, 07:15:19 PM »
The democratically elected president of Venezuela is apperently no longer the president -

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The citizens of Venezuela have suffered for too long at the hands of the illegitimate Maduro regime. Today, I have officially recognized the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly, Juan Guaido, as the Interim President of Venezuela.

Fine, in that case we'll recognise Bernie Sanders as the Interim President of the United States. And Jeremy Corbyn is the interim Prime Minister of the UK. Easy!

No doubt the resistence will be up in arms about Trump interfering in the sovereignty of another country? Or will they be creaming their pants in pleasure? Hard to tell with those guys.

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2019, 07:22:00 PM »
That does seem a tad mental.

Soup Dogg

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2019, 07:22:54 PM »
I must say I've not followed this very closely and don't really know what to make of it. Chavez had my qualified support- seemed a good leader, made popular and necessary reforms, had the democratic backing of his country, a slight authoritarianism that was maybe justifiable given the circumstances. Maduro has long seemed like a desperate man, losing his grip on a crumbling country and resorting to increasingly desperate measures to keep a hold on power.

I'm not sure what the justification can be for recognizing Venezuelan Perkin Warbeck as the rightful king, mind. Beyond the obvious realpolitik, obviously.

Alberon

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2019, 07:32:48 PM »
The US jumping in like that is ridiculously premature. They probably won’t do much more than that as momentum is with their preferred choice.

The one wild card is Trump, of course, especially as he’s probably looking for a distraction from his shutdown over the wall. It’s not beyond him to do something that stupid.

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2019, 07:36:00 PM »
No doubt the resistence will be up in arms about Trump interfering in the sovereignty of another country? Or will they be creaming their pants in pleasure? Hard to tell with those guys.

Yeah. The first thing I thought of when I heard about this is that it’s Trump’s critics who are at fault for not criticising him enough. Bizarro world logic.

What this actually proves is that Trump’s America First isolationism extends precisely as far as is required for right-wing/GOP/US interests. In this regard, at BEST, he’s as bad as Hillary.“ Hillary the Hawk“ they all claimed by the same people licking their lips at civil war in South America.

The argument that she is bad because she does the things that we do and we are cunts is an admittedly bold one.

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2019, 07:38:01 PM »
The US jumping in like that is ridiculously premature. They probably won’t do much more than that as momentum is with their preferred choice.

The one wild card is Trump, of course, especially as he’s probably looking for a distraction from his shutdown over the wall. It’s not beyond him to do something that stupid.

Brazil’s new ultra-far-right government has been in power a matter of weeks. This shit has been ready to go for a while and they just waiting for Trump’s green light. Now they have it.

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2019, 07:39:09 PM »
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BlodwynPig

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2019, 07:42:31 PM »
The US jumping in like that is ridiculously premature. They probably won’t do much more than that as momentum is with their preferred choice.

The one wild card is Trump, of course, especially as he’s probably looking for a distraction from his shutdown over the wall. It’s not beyond him to do something that stupid.

BUILD THE BRIDGE!

Soup Dogg

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2019, 07:51:20 PM »
[tag]Morrisey's lesser-known b-sides[/tag]

Henry Higgins considers rewrite

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 08:39:43 PM »
So is Soros paying for these protests or not then? It’s so hard to keep up with him.

chveik

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2019, 08:55:16 PM »
The democratically elected president of Venezuela is apperently no longer the president -

not democratically at all mate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2019, 09:02:32 PM »
CIA doing it's job causing a mess.

biggytitbo

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2019, 09:52:05 PM »
not democratically at all mate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election


Yeah it was only not democratic because we didn't like the result. Sounds familiar.


I love how Venezuelas crisis is reported over here. Its a crisis where the main cause is scrupulously airbrushed out of existence.

ZoyzaSorris

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2019, 09:54:54 PM »
not democratically at all mate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election

Yeah I think that Wikipedia article might be a teensy bit biased.

ZoyzaSorris

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2019, 09:55:30 PM »

Yeah it was only not democratic because we didn't like the result. Sounds familiar.


I love how Venezuelas crisis is reported over here. Its a crisis where the main cause is scrupulously airbrushed out of existence.

Yep. Proper Orwellian.

ZoyzaSorris

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2019, 09:57:25 PM »
This is where a multipolar world comes into its own. If US had the global hegemony it desires, Venezuela would be crushed. But Russia and China won’t let that happen now.

Alberon

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2019, 10:02:37 PM »
From The Guardian's live feed

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Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said Wednesday he was cutting off diplomatic relations with the United States, after the Trump administration recognized opposition leader Juan Guaido as the South American country’s interim president.

Maduro ordered all US diplomats to leave the country within 72 hours, according to our latest report:

“We are defending the right to the very existence of our Bolivarian republic,” Maduro told supporters at a rally outside the Miraflores presidential palace in Caracas. He urged them to resist “at all costs” what he called a coup attempt being orchestrated by “the coup-mongering, interventionist gringo empire” and the “fascist right”.

“They intend to govern Venezuela from Washington,” Maduro shouted from the palace’s people’s balcony. “Do you want a puppet government controlled by Washington?”

I can't claim to know enough about the situation in Venezuela to know how legitimate the claim is from either Maduro or Guaido, but it does seem a huge mistake to stick an oar into another country's internal politics at this stage. If the guy Trump has just backed starts to fail, what does he do? Send guns and money? Troops?

KennyMonster

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2019, 10:04:20 PM »

Yeah it was only not democratic because we didn't like the result. Sounds familiar.


I love how Venezuelas crisis is reported over here. Its a crisis where the main cause is scrupulously airbrushed out of existence.

Yeah The Guardian just reports of food and medicine shortages as if they're the fault of the government or natural phenomena.

Canada is going along with America according to that report, if that's the case it shows that Treaudeau et al. are just as bad as the rest of em.

KennyMonster

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2019, 10:10:18 PM »
From The Guardian's live feed

, but it does seem a huge mistake to stick an oar into another country's internal politics at this stage.

At this stage?

They've been enforcing economic sanctions for months now,  just because Venezuela don't want to give up their oil to The US,

Have we been here before?

biggytitbo

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2019, 10:13:37 PM »
It's shit like this that really smokes out who genuinely opposes US imperialism and who is just paying lip service when it suits them.

chveik

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2019, 10:19:10 PM »

Yeah it was only not democratic because we didn't like the result. Sounds familiar.

given all the protests that have taken place in the last couple years in Venezuela, the Venezuelan people doesn't seem to think that it was democratic either.
but it's probably to difficult for you to criticize at the same time both US interventionism and Maduro's authoritarianism.

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2019, 10:20:03 PM »
damn so this shit is nuanced? im out

chveik

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2019, 10:20:40 PM »
Yeah I think that Wikipedia article might be a teensy bit biased.

enlighten me

ZoyzaSorris

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2019, 10:22:55 PM »
given all the protests that have taken place in the last couple years in Venezuela, the Venezuelan people doesn't seem to think that it was democratic either.
but it's probably to difficult for you to criticize at the same time both US interventionism and Maduro's authoritarianism.

Some Venezuelan people (basically the wealthier ones). Even through all of the recent crises, Maduro and the PSUV are still popular with the poor majority.

biggytitbo

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2019, 10:25:07 PM »
given all the protests that have taken place in the last couple years in Venezuela, the Venezuelan people doesn't seem to think that it was democratic either.
but it's probably to difficult for you to criticize at the same time both US interventionism and Maduro's authoritarianism.

I dunno, when the world's biggest superpower induces a state of emergency in a other country and then gets the most powerful and compliant media establishment in the world to blame it all on the government they're actively trying to destroy nuance tends to become indistinguishable from the lower end of propoganda doesn't it? That's part of the problem I guess.


The best position is in fact the least nuanced - the US should fuck off.

ZoyzaSorris

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2019, 10:26:31 PM »
Love the naivety that protests = bad government. Virtually every left wing government in South American history has faced violent protests from the feral elite classes that more or less descend directly from the conquistadors. Almost always spurred on by the CIA, too. Shit is standard.

chveik

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2019, 10:28:32 PM »
Some Venezuelan people (basically the wealthier ones). Even through all of the recent crises, Maduro and the PSUV are still popular with the poor majority.

the wealthier ones weren't in the street protesting (and sometimes being killed) because of the lack of food and medecine.

damn so this shit is nuanced? im out

everything's nuanced these days.

biggytitbo

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Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2019, 10:29:43 PM »
Odd too, when it comes to foreign governments the CIA coincidentally wants to get rid of, the US media's compliant, state sponsored critism suddenly comes from an unlikely socialist perspective, all concerned about poverty and protests and the like isn't it?

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2019, 10:32:21 PM »
everything's nuanced these days.

fuck

Re: US coup in Venezuela
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2019, 10:49:39 PM »
The problem might be nuanced but the solution is simple. As flawed as it is go through the UN. Have supervised elections and confirm legitimacy of either candidate.

Is there a mechanism in Venezuelan law allows the leader of the opposition to declare themselves President?